I'd say it would be a good start, but for the people who have billions and billions of sP, I don't know if they would really be interested in MKBs. xD Though I wouldn't suggest doubling the price, unless the boxes change to be 100% guaranteed to give you three slots. Paying 300k to get 1 TC slot would be just really aggravating.

I noticed you have some battle pets (dunno about anyone else here, though); if they where to do away with the MC time, or atleast reduce how many hours, and if they put some stat boosters in there - do you think people would do with that, or do you think it might mess the system up a bit? I know there are some stat boosters that Shinwa gives out that are around the 500k-1mil+ mark, and people are willing to buy it at those prices, so maybe...? I don't really know anything about battling yet though, so I don't know if it would mess up the battling system somehow.

The problem is, they can't really do things considering the people who have billions and billions, because they're essentially gold hoarders. Some people LIKE to h ave piles and piles of game money, and ain't a damned thing going to convince them to spend it XD

They will never ever allow stats boosters to be always bought no timer. They added a timer to the battle shop for that very reason (once they added stats boosters) because baww pets growing to fast etc and so on (I don't agree with it, but that is what it is, I'm not a very conventional battler ;) )

No we just need to get in their heads, tempt them with shiny goodies, and make them buy stuff :P Lol just kidding, but I suppose so. I remember when having too much sP used to blow up your account, though. xD

I suppose adding stat boosts to the MC would be a bit redundant then, anyways - even if they lowered the time down to 6 hours instead of 12. Or is the battle shop also 12 hours? If so, between the 12 hour wait and the reduced wait between the MC (let's say 6 hours), pet stats might grow a bit faster, but I think it might help with the sP sink?

Beh honestly I think stuff like having the pet headshot or pet's custom overlays would have made an amazing sP sink, but they're csc-only. I'd be in full-support if atleast one of them was changed to sP though, personally.

I believe the battle shop is 8 hours? I have been hoarding tokens there in case of a weapon add so I've not been buying.

Basically unless they come out with a double your sP machine for gold hoarders, they're not budging their money XD They could also really add some nice wigs to the MC, not the ones that have been added in their goofy colors and weird shapes/shading. Actual real colors, real hair styles, usable wigs. Price em ridiculously and people (at least wearable nuts) will buy em :0)

Some people are after the Richest Player achievement so they have to hoard their game money. Retire that achievement and there will be no more reason to keep saving billions. Other people might well like to spend their riches but they're stuck with restrictions such as in the MC. People who hoard their sP aren't contributing to inflation etc, though, because they aren't paying fortunes for highly coveted items. Billions in the bank affect site statistics about how much sP there is around but it's not doing anything else.

Even retiring the achievement won't get people who simply enjoy hoarding money to spend their loot.

There are a bunch of sP based achievements. Like the what percentage of your account worth is pure and the Shop Till Saver tiers. A good sP sink would be something like a cross between the Millionaire Center and BHH that restocks coveted items for sP infrequently.

- Heather, you and I, we are friends, but please, no suggesting raising the MKB price :(

300k for a 1 point increase would be pretty ridiculous. Especially when some of the TC items we're already willing to put in there are worth millions or people need hundreds of TC slots. I know some users have just hoards and hoards of items in their TCs. I'm not sure I understand why MKBs, which is the most reliable way to increase TC size, would be the one feature that gets the whammy.

The achievement to have 500 items in a TC alone is worth 75mil with 1 point increases. It'll go down with some luck, but still that's a huge chunk of sP. And then don't forget about the cumulative 1000 TC items. I don't see MKBs being the right choice to help balance the sP economy.

If it's worth anything, the price for 250 and 500 CSC both have been decreasing. 500CSC went up at high as 17mil, now for the last week or so, it's not even gotten near 16mil.

Am I the only one who feels that by trying to solve this inflation issue with sP, Subeta is actually causing an even bigger problem in terms of the volume of items? Like, the number of basically useless and worthless items on this site is unbelievable. Recycle Beast could ask for 50 different items a day and it probably still wouldn't even make a dent. :P Pawn Shop used to be a fairly decent way to control item deflation as well, and the shop could be periodically cleared to nuke the items from the system. But now that he has such a long time limit, it would take too much time to pawn that many items. Things like quests are just constantly chugging out more and more items into the system and nobody wants or needs to buy them up. Or how about ... digging for gems at Coda Caves? Those plugs that Major Drills gives out all the time? Etc.

Remember when Humming Power Crystals sold in shops for around 14k? It actually used to be profitable to buy up the cheap Rares/Super Rares, frag them, and sell the crystals for a decent profit. Now they sell for 4k, so the profit margin on fragging really doesn't make it worthwhile anymore. Am I the only one who thinks it's insane that we have that many "Rare" and "Super Rare" restockable items that sell in shops for less than 4k? :P

I kind of feel that sinks are not quite being used to their best potential, such as how with Alegarten, the shops only being available at certain times of the day seems to mean less sP sunk from the economy than what they could have taken out.

I am not too sure if removing the MC timer would cause more sP to be sunk from the economy. Those who buy from the MC to make a profit on things like MKBs or scales of Red Rreign wouldn't be able to make a profit off of those anymore, meaning they won't be buying those, and how often do we even buy big things from the MC? Surely very few of us are frequent buyers of multimillion sP items.

They actually removed the battle shop timer now.

MKB's are the only consumable people buy on a regular basis in that shop. Increasing their price would be a HUGE step in righting things, as much as it would suck. I say this as a person with a TC approaching 650 and always on the up.

CSC prices though are not the problem with getting sP OUT of the system. CSC prices just shift the whole lot around and around lol

Oh really now? That's awesome. I still don't think they'll consider putting boosters in the MC w/o a timer lol

Well, cant make everyone happy i guess. I always to go Blue Sky to vend. I do wizard quests to get tokens to vend. Before the reading drive books were expensive. Now after the book drive the price of books has gone down and not selling as well. As long as people do quests, they are buying from user shops and therefore you make money. Just do wizard quests and vend. I vend about 200 or so items everyday. Also the game would get boring if you get items right away. You have to be patient and wait for the good things. I have lots stuff in my wishlists that i want but will probably never get and I am not complaining. I may whine about it, but I know this is only a game and I wont get all upset if i cant get something.

- It's the only thing people regularly buy from the MC is because it really is the only thing in there that is going to transcend the seasons and actually has a multi-use purpose. I'm all for adding more items that do that, but don't make it be TCs that carry the burden. Why can't it be boosters, books, or wearables? I don't see why pet enthusiasts are the ones to carry the burden. * shrugs * I also don't think it would be a huge step in fixing the issues we have. Hell, I don't think forcing it will fix it either.

But CSC prices do impact the economy. Whether the money is being shifted into others hands, it's likely in some way going out of the system in the end. I know it does for me. I sell CSC occasionally in order to buy stuff from the shops I need, and sometimes it goes back to users though when they have an item I want to purchase.

I agree there, but it doesn't seem to happen lol all the wigs they've put in have been chunky and plastic looking with weird colors. Books they always want to price at millions instead of less than a million. Basically MKBs are the only usable item that you need more than once. That is why they're perfect for a price increase. I can't think of a single other thing that would be both multi-use, consumable and well wanted.

CSC doesn't really affect how much sP enters and leaves the economy though. That's the issue, purely an in-out problem. CSC is sorta the middle fun-tunnel sP rolls around in for a while.

If MKBs double in price I'll stop buying them and my pets can keep the rest of their treasures in their treasure gallery - it's where they stored things before treasure chests were invented so they won't mind. :)

If the MC timer was removed, I'm pretty sure sP would fly out of the economy especially with the scales that are in there right now.

- I think there are so many more options to use other than MKBs for sinks.

Make something akin to OhLala Layers, Boosters, something that reduces training time or increases the probability of getting something other than 1 for stat increases. Btw, all these suggestions are likely to get the Battling community's panties in a twist, but fuck pet enthusiasts being the only ones carrying the burden to fix the economy. Make a shop that contains old school holidays items available for high prices (500k min), because the crystal shop sure as well doesn't carry the volume or frequency that it should, and it really isn't an sP sink. The options are endless.

Me neither. I mean, at least with the boosters in the battle shop, it can take a lot of time to rack up the needed points (even those with a top 10 pet and the best weapons won't be able to rack up enough tokens in less than an hour).

I have the feeling there won't be too many scales being removed since there does seem to be less demand now (they are actually a bit overpriced for the stats they give).

Actually, I think the battle related suggestions would be the battle community's dream. It would still be nice for old holiday shop items to make a return that way just so they are not retired forever.

Just did every Sagg quest but two and ended up with a LOSS of 530k. Who the hell is getting millions (or even one million) from him in a day??

- For me, having access to old holiday items, I would be a dream come true. I've got these Simmel cakes on my wishlist from YEARS ago. Just having access to those would make me excited, and it could have a rotation based on the year. Or open randomly. Because honestly, the Crystal Shop was supposed to give us access to such things but it's not a sP sink and it sure as well doesn't get items very often.

The suggestion for lower training time or something to increase the likelihood of getting a 2 or 3 in stat gain is what I meant. I figured some would be all over boosers, but...I really don't see that happening.