That is actually totally the plan :)

I'm totally glad to hear that! Especially since I'll be doing Quentin's quests as much as I can now XD! Considering how long I've been eyeing some other holiday shop items, I can't wait to see some of them end up in more accessible locations-- unless you give them to drills ... then I won't look forward to it at all XD

Since Quentin loves collecting Holiday items I do agree that the game items piling up should have a bit more of a use. Either Toy Quests or Computer Geek asking for them once in awhile maybe?

I think the computer geek, who is hard at work fixing computers and such should be asking for items from bits and bytes much more frequently than toys, to be honest. Maybe he, along with others could requests a cup of coffee or things from get mugged on occasion.

I actually like the quest revamps that have happened so far. I don't mind selling the item prizes in my shop to get the pure sp's from other users. I also really love the page layout update the buttons on the page seem simple but I like them and how it lines up to the side of the npc instead of having to scroll down the page.

I also second the idea for the game prizes needing a use, other than collections.

I don't like giving up restocking in the holiday shop or anywhere else though. I'd be willing to compromise with quests giving holiday stuff out so things don't get so God awful expensive but don't take restocking away completely, I like choosing what to buy as well as the competition with others.

I have just under the average user at 9,476,171 HOWEVER I have a hoard of nearly 10,000 items in my shop. I don't do quests often and I've only just discovered how amazing the payouts on some games are. The way I've made sP for 5 years is through the Wonderful Wizard of Saherimos and when I require more tokens for either sP or the token shop items I quickly do maybe 5 quests and I'm on my way. For these reasons I don't like sP sinks, but these features are (unfortunately) required. I'm so sorry that you're being blamed for it all.

This IS a game. Games aren't designed for one to get EVERYTHING without some serious effort. A user needs to put hours upon hours into many games in order to even "finish" it, let alone 100% completing it. Subeta isn't designed to be 100% finish-able - you'd need to have been a member for what... 10 years? and to have been an active user the entire time to 100% it. This is the same for being able to purchase every item from an event. I try my damnable hardest but if I don't put the time in to earn enough money, collect all the items or play through the whole story then I know I won't receive what I want, that's life.

[edit] It appears I didn't click "last", instead only "next" on the forum links. Woops. Sorry to go so far backwards in the conversation/arguement.

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Um, of all my posts on this fucked up forum, that's what you took away from it all? No wonder fucked up shit just keeps on happening around here if only one person actually speaks up while the rest seem to try and out-brown-nose everyone else cause subeta really needs someone to come to it's defense.

I wasn't saying I wanted every single item available from every event. I was saying that should ANY user want to obtain ANY item of their liking, they shouldn't be restricted from doing so (however long that may take, or whatever their niche for collecting) At what point does anyone think it's rational to put limitations on the not-so-rich on the site, as if it's gong to make those that have stacks of sP LESS rich in doing so? So much flawed logic. And if you don't like my opinion you can always keep scrolling, you're definitely fighting a losing battle to try to convince me subeta makes decisions FOR it's userbase. You also fail to note how much shit has been gutted and ruined around here in the last year or so. Battle tiers/training/weapon stat revamp, lack of new zombies, epicon "no new weapons" and inability to use newly gained points in the old epicon shop, the book drive and the ridiculous "only these kinds can be turned in" when they said they'd never do one again, not to mention they can bring back prizes from the old shop and put them into the new one all the sudden - something they couldn't do with the event prior, EPICON, and now quests are all slowly being whiddled down to pennies on the payout. Don't forget the war on restocking, that's going to be killed next. I DIDN'T EVEN MENTION ALL THE LAG IN THAT LIST. And here you want to come at me like I have no business complaining about this site. Step the fuck off.

I do NOT like the idea of Quentin giving Morostide items out year-round. What's the point on having special items for Morostide (besides the ToT/pumpkin patch items), if they're going to just be given out in a quest that is not only unprofitable and expensive to do at most times, but ruining the specialness of the event items by releasing them year-round? Morostide items should remain exclusive to the holiday itself and not made to be given out in such a trivial way (aka Graveyard Quests and their distribution being completely random) that their resale value will shoot up so high that it'd make it impossible to buy what we've missed from player shops. Just because there's a Morostide-like quest giver doesn't mean that all the extra Morostide items should be bequeathed to him/her/it. That's like saying there's only a chance that Melody would give out one or more of the new Luminaire items on top of your daily items from her. Oh, and by the way, if you go to her the rest of the year and throughout 2014, there's a chance she'd still give you the 2013 Luminaire items...but only a chance. Just an example, but you get my drift. Melody giving out Luminaire 2013 items all year round on a random basis would ruin their specialness...just like it would ruin the specialness of the Morostide items if Quentin gave them out all year.

If anything, there should be a Morostide shop run by Quentin where you can buy all the Morostide items for this year and last year, just like what was done for Alegarten this year. Holiday items, except for the rare times that Major gives them out, should remain exclusive to the holiday in progress, be available for everyone to buy in some way (like the current Alegarten shop this year) and retire once the holiday is over.

I can just see and feel the annoyance of players questing and not getting the new Morostide items. Graveyard quests are something I never do, even with the addition of Mage amulets, as the quests are just too expensive. I just don't find it an even playing field for holiday items to be randomly given out by quest givers. I think there needs to be some sort of equal way of getting all holiday items, or at least give all players a chance to.

I loved the Alegarten shop this year. It was simply brilliant. If the Holiday shop was done away with completely and there were specific shops like the Alegarten one this year for all the different holidays to give everyone an equal chance to get items, I'm all for it.

I agree with you on some points like the quest bit but I don't like the idea of rsing being taken away,Alegarten was boring as fuck this year because of the change..I like rsing,gives me something to do and if it gets eliminated from holidays im not going to be happy. I think there are other areas of the site that keith should be far more concerned about then making sp sinks...Hello 502 errors anyone? I remember a certain someone telling us this change to cloud servers was going to be for the better,How is it for the better if it can't handle the load at all and we have more down time then up?

I am just completely blown away with some of the changes lately,I really think that this site is heading in a direction it shouldn't be going. it's bad enough that i lost a bucket load of customers when cw's were introduced to the site...I hardly make sp anymore via my shop because everyone is over in cw land and now what little i do make is being threatened by rsing being slowly phased out. I'm not into this becoming another facebook type site with perks like the HA's and such...That would just piss me off to no end.

Try rereading the posts that quoted. and are talking about. Holiday Shop items for that stocked in the Holiday Shop.

No one is talking about Morostide Goodies. Considering Quentin's quests askes for those items it'd be pretty dumb to ask for those and give them away.

I agree...however, if I had to choose between a random chance at getting a holiday item via a quest and a shop that provides all the holiday items for you that you can buy throughout the holiday, I'd choose the latter. I, too, miss the vending and the MB-ing for specific holiday items. Just having them all there for you in a shop, like they were this Alegarten, was rather boring, but it was way better than having a very low chance of getting any kind of specific holiday item(s) as a quest prize.

There were so many ways of getting holiday items - vending at two different machines, Mystery Box, Holiday Shop. It made the holidays a challenge and exciting and fun. Having a shop that just lays everything out for you to buy, or worse, having a quest that gives you a rare chance at getting holiday items, just seriously slows the site down like you mentioned and caused a whole load of errors. I don't see this switch to cloud giving us any faster servers. If anything, I've seen nothing but more errors and down pages since the switch.

With quests being so unprofitable now, I can't see how well RSing/vending is going to be. The only quest that has profit now is Sagittarius, and even with his quests you have to quit most of them as the payouts don't equal what you pay out for items.

The only way I can see any sPs being made, now, is through arcade games. I don't care much for the direction this site is heading either. However, there's still more to do on this site than others that I've found. I'm just not liking where things are heading at the moment.

I did, thanks.

She was saying that they should be changed and Morostide items should be given out AS prizes by Quentin year-round along side his normal prizes (making the Morostide items rare to obtain), not Quentin asking for them as quest items. I do believe you may have incorrectly read that quote.

She was saying that they should be changed and given out AS prizes by Quentin, not Quentin asking for them as quest items. I do believe you may have incorrectly read that quote.

No, I'm pretty sure I didn't. What you are saying makes no sense.

The original quote from specifically Morostide Holiday Shop items past and future items. Considering every year restockable items have been added to the Holiday Shop during major Subetan holidays, (last year included wigs, beanbags, plushies, food, clothing) why would you assume she is talking about prizes from two of the biggest events of the Morostide celebration and remove them to add to a quest?

@ Andrea sorry to bug you but could you clear up the confusion. You're talking about past and future Holiday Shop items, not the morostide trick or treat/pumpkin patch stuff right? Figured it out :P

I'm not referring to new ToT/Pumpkin Patch stuff. I'm referring to the NEW Morostide items that would be for sale in the Holiday Shop this year. These past years there have always been ToT/Pumpkin Patch items AND Morostide Holiday Shop items. From what I'm reading it sounds as though the new Morostide items that are not ToT/Pumpkin Patch related are going to be given away as prizes this year from doing Graveyard Quests which would be a rather unfair way to get the new, what would've originally been RSable, items that are not ToT/Pumpkin Patch related.

So why didn't you just say that? XD

"I would prefer to see the potential holiday items changed to a format similar to the Alegarten shop."

Personally I would rather see them as year round quest prizes, than limited, overpriced items that will be completely unbuyable in the later months.

I did...but I guess it wasn't in a way that was clear enough for ya? :P At least we're on the same page, now XD

I wouldn't as it really loses the specialness of MOROSTIDE HOLIDAY (or any holiday items for that matter) items. It would be like walking into a RL store and seeing any and all holiday items for sale all the time instead of just around each specific holiday. It would not only ruin the specialness of the items for sale but make them a bore to receive. That's the nice thing about being able to buy them once a year and having them retire. They maintain their specialness and not become an every day thing with no meaning

I don't think it would ruin the specialness at all or even a bore to recieve?

Right now Quentin's Quests are starting to get pricey, especially the graveyard items that make up lik 95% of all the prizes. Adding Morostide (and even Pandemic) like mentioned would keep that pricey cost down.

Getting a Zombie book that I can resell for 500k in the month of June isn't going to be less exciting than if I got it in March from a giant store selection. I think that may be personal preference though. I love getting rare stuff through questing and restocking, so this Alegarten change was a huge disapointement.

Except it's a bit of a problem when we're getting less and less for the same effort. Something that was disastrous about neopets was that the hours you needed to put in to make any progress whatsoever were inhuman. There's a point where 'challenge' turns into a slog.

Edit: seems like you were talking more about getting items from events, and I kind of agree that I like the exclusivity of having to participate to get the reward. But when it comes to sp my point still stands.

Agreed, but there's a time and a place. Getting the former Graveyard Shop items from Quentin isn't bad. However, getting holiday-specific stuff (aka Morostide) still ruins the specialness of it.

I still firmly believe and feel that the RSable Holiday items should remain RSable in the Holiday Shop, keep the Holiday Shop as is and allow for the Holiday items to be vendable in both Dragons Hoard and Ocean Depths as well as obtainable from the MB.

Having everything in one shop available to everyone with unlimited amounts like in this year's Alegarten shop really was boring I must admit. I don't see why things are changing in this direction. There was no fun to that. Having current, what would be RSable holiday items, available to you as a random quest prize, also ruins the specialness of the items as it would be given out all year round instead of at the specific holiday. Personally, I wouldn't want to receive a Luminaire or an Alegarten item for a prize in the middle of February. It just doesn't make it feel special. That's the whole point of holiday items...to be given out or obtained (if RSable) during that particular holiday; not year round.

If someone gave me a Christmas-themed item for a random gift in RL in the middle of July, for example, it would be meaningless to me. It would regain its meaning if it was given to me during the Christmas season, however.

I agree with working for your items and what-not, but I would rather work for holiday items by either RSing, vending or MBing for them instead of getting them as a random quest prize year-round.

(just so you have an idea)

That's exactly what I mean about it being boring. There's no rush to snag an item, and the timer/rotating shops made the only challenge be trying to be online when the shops were open.

Yeah I think that's the kind of thing people just disagree on. Maybe a better compromise would be to temporarily add them as quest prizes during the Morostide event period. That way people who don't enjoy the Alegarten shop style could still at least have a chance