I think once thing start to balance out this will be less and less of an issue, unless main shops won't reflect the drop in worth of sP... But if the average user has 9m then an item can be sold to that person for 1m without much trouble, but if a user only has 900k then the item should drop in price also, user shops that is... since it'll be harder to sell for higher so undercutters will slowly, or rapidly, bring the prices down.

My main complaint is the games. Mahjong is a favourite game of mine, I used to play for hours on a random Mahjong site. Tubular Tiles? Gives me a raging headache in under a minute.

This has had the grand result of putting me off not just it, but all the non-puzzle games (since I suck at those) + the bad rep of the sledding game. It doesn't even occur to me to do anything but draw for a living on here and a) I don't have much time now b) I'd like to work on my own stuff, it's been what...? 5 years with a lot of commissions? I've stagnated on fanart since it's the only thing I want to draw once I have time for myself. I don't want to do that any more. I used to enjoy my questing =< I can't RS, and the games make me sick. Wow. Thanks. Please give us resizing options on the games? Tubular tiles is TINY on my screen and that + the very similar small detailed designs is giving me rapid eye strain that is forcing me off site for a few hours at a time to recover (not making much sP that way), and consider contrast when making these games. There are SO MANY pets, minions and items on site, why do all the tiles in this game look alike?

This is something I've been thinking about a lot recently, so I'm glad you guys are aware of the issue. It's not really that hard to collect all the current items, and once you've done that the quests lose part of their appeal. Another part of it is that most of the items aren't something that you'd need more than a few of (plushies, beanbags, wearables, foods).

Wizard quests have maintained their appeal because you can never have enough tokens, but the rest of the revamped quests don't offer anything like that yet.

Edit: Also, I agree with about the games. Most of them still need a lot of work before they'll really be playable.

Here's some basic facts: Cybill Sledding @ 100K a day for 5 days=500K Caliphs Tomb @ 200K a day for 5 days=1 million Tubular Tiles @ 100k a day for 5 days=500K Memory Game @ ~200K a day for 5 days= 1 million Shell Spotter @ ~50K a day for 5 days= 250K and I'm adding Memory @ ~300K (30K per 17 guess game) a day for 5 days= 1.2 million TOTAL FROM THESE GAMES ALONE IN FIVE DAYS: 4.45 million sp IN AN AVERAGE MONTH: 26.7 million sp So in the long run, that's a lot of sp from just games. Point and click or arrow key games. If you hate games, then RS. If you love games, then you're set. It's all a matter of preference.

The only quests I do right now are Wizard (for tokens to vend) and sag (to get sP). The others just aren't worth the time; sure I can get some good items some of the time that I can let sit in my shop to rot for a bit. But I just think it's going to lead to a lot of deflation to those smaller items, making 70% of the items on this site worthless to restock :(. The nerfing of quests does indirectly make restocking more and more worthless, since less and less people are buying small items for quests, which causes those small items to deflate and just sit around in shops all the time. I think we have a pretty good cycle for items (buy from main shop, put in shop, quests request them, sell item in shop, profit). But it seems that avenue of earning sP is slowly getting closed off :X

Do you have any stats for the other quests around the site and how often they're done in comparison to others? Does giving them some exclusive items really bump up the usage of them in the long-term? I think most people would do more of the quests if they were going to get some sP profit from them (even if the difference is quite big from sag) and it would also help cycle sP around in user shops.

But I'm pretty biased since I like restocking for my shop; I don't mind playing the games either :P

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I tend to play games,resell,do some quests .. Is it normal to wonder how you make sP in the end? But yeah,I tend to see the issue with the low quest reward (I got bummed a little,that's why I wait for the deflation of the special prize).

Please. Please for the love of god tell me that's not true. Restocking is my most favorite thing to do on the site and if restocking goes, I'm done.

I like it here. I don't want to be done. :c I just want to restock and have a good time.

(ngl, i will legit start crying and be completely heartbroken)

I'm adding my, "Pretty please, Keith!" to the mix too. I love restocking. It removes some sp's from the system AND makes users choose what Items they put into the system for reselling in their shops. Unlike vending machines (which I like too) that keep putting the same items into the system over and over but we love them due to the hopes of getting something good.

This! Thank you! Resize options pretty please please please. I like playing Mah-jong and its spinoffs, but the tiles in Tubular Tiles - and to a lesser extent the cards in Caliph's Tomb - are so small and the designs are so busy I have to squint at them to see what they are.

Also, I wanted to point out Item Hunt as an additional means of income. Yes, it starts off slow, and it's a pain to start over again if you have to quit, but the times in between, the rewards are pretty nice.

Count me in as a restocking lover. One of the things that has kept me on this site as opposed to cough Neo cough is that it's actually POSSIBLE to restock. I always found it frustrating on the other site that you basically needed magic and the world's most advanced computer to have a prayer of grabbing anything, ever. At least on this site, yeah it takes a little work, but it's a heck of a lot more fun and more LIKELY to restock an item.

I won't lie here at all, I'm not a quester by any means of the word (I only do Wizard or Saggi like, once, when they're the weekend quests-- which probably says a lot on my quest dedication, or lack there of)-- but I do feel like the problem with some of the quests, or specifically Quentin's quest at this point, are the lack of useful prizes.

And by useful, I mean... the graveyard shop items, hold the books, really didn't have a purpose when they did stock outside of sometimes being asked for by other quests. Now that they're all game prizes, they really have no relevance to anything other than the books/collecting. No quests ask for them, and tbh a lot of the items are weird (like Fart Gas in a Jar... ?? I have zero use for that. Same for boogers and snot and so on). I don't feel like I'm alone here because most people seem to hate poor Quentin as much as I hate Major Drills.

The exact same problem would arise from a quest that gives out just toys or grooming items-- while most are cute, and some are wearable, and some can be used for TCs, in the grand scheme most aren't really useful useful/profitable, y'know? Minions can be included in this to a degree, while you can give them to your pets (and they are super cute too) you only need so many, and most aren't costly at all.

Like books = can be read to pets from a collecting standpoint, or from an AP standpoint (or both)! You can read books to all of your pets, especially if you have several battle pets.

Food = gourmand + you can technically feed as many pets as you'd like if you want.

Wearables, Plushies, Beanbags, Stickers = also collectible albeit only once, but still useful!

There's just some items that aren't as useful as others, and a lot of what Quentin gives out sadly falls in that category. As would the Computer Geek and Toy Quests if their quests are left as is. I think something to consider would be perhaps changing those two (perhaps even tweaking Quentin) into involving a more .. collectable item type. Which is useful for both collectors, and questers.

I don't really have any suggestions for Quentin, other than if you really wanted people to do his quests all he'd have to do is have a chance of giving out a Mage Amulet (he does live next door to the Mage, after all). Then battlers would be doing his quests all day long -laughs- (I might even do them then..) Anyways, I know I'm not a quester and that you weren't really looking for feedback/suggestions for quests-- however I thought I'd offer my thoughts on them as an unbiased party (okay I might be biased about amulets).

Thanks to the new games I'm making a lot more than I have in the past with quests...but it's still a bit frustrating to barely get anything out of CQ and MQ. I've gotten used to getting nothing from WQ.

I don't see how to make millions out of Saggi's Quests though...I usually get only half a million (on lucky days) or less

I hope games aren't going to become a major way to make money on Subeta because I find them tortuously boring. I stuck it out for Epicon because that was a short-term goal, but I haven't really touched the games since. The pain-to-profit ratio isn't enough for me, especially considering I can easily make 50-100m in a blitz restocking event like Keelhauliday. I liked the restocking/vending/magic box setup we had before. Alegarten's new system is okay as long as it stays unique to Alegarten and doesn't spread to more holidays.

eta: to clarify, I don't really mind if games become profitable, that's a good thing. Different users enjoy different ways of making money on Subeta: some people can quest til the cows come home, some can stand to play Matlal's Jewels 10 times a day, and I'm good at restocking. I'd like to see all methods of making money become balanced and equally viable. None should be phased out, but it seems that's the way restocking is going.

There are plenty of ways to make sP (not adding sP to the economy by playing games or doing quests). Most users just lack the patience or understanding to do them.

1. The Millionaire Center Buy a Magical Keepsake Box every time you can purchase. They cost 150k, you can easily sell them for 180k-200k in your shop. Easily.

2. Wizard Tokens Search for a 15 Point Wizard Token in shop search and calculate the prices. You can get thousands of tokens easily for around 1,700sP to 1,900 sP per token. Turn them into 1000 Point Wizard Tokens and sell them in your shop for 2 million each (2,000 sP per token). They will sell. When the token shop restocks you can even sell lower denominations such as 50 / 100 / 250 / 500 point tokens for up to 2,500 sP per token because people are lazy.

3. Potions Do you know how to make a Nuclear Potion? I literally just added up all the cost of the ingredients and it comes to less than 800k. They sell for 3 million. I have sold plenty. They sell. Same with Glacier Potions when the right item is in the Millionaire Center.

Those are 3 off the top of my head. There are many more. sP is not hard to make and you don't have to buy CSC to do it.

This is a good idea. Is this something I can make a low chance of happening ? :P

Everyone on here suggesting to go to games to get sP is completely oblivious to the fact that the site owner said he wants LESS going out, so if you all flock to games thinking that will compensate for your sP loss with him screwing up quests payouts, guess where he'll go next to reduce the amount going out, that's right. game payouts.

To be honest ever since the quests were "revamped" I have had no interest in them. Other than when Maleria gave new prizes (I got what I wanted then stopped) and same with Mori/Nori. Its just that I agree with "why should I bother when there's very little reward, other than an item that won't sell anyway". It's easy to say "oh just RS" when you have a fast computer. but if you have a slow computer like me and my best friend yeah we might get the shop to load by the time everyone else has bought 5 items..... (and the site lag never helps either.) It's also easy to say "just play games" and while at least I can play games, my best friend usually cannot. Her computer is over 10 years old and the pages are "frozen" 90% of the time... so good luck getting a game to work on it! she has a kindle but most of the games aren't compatible. games are time consuming and require skill, and a computer that will actually load it... at least quests were do-able, but all that were once worth doing are not. :/ in short, the quests now give no incentive to do them and the other means of getting sP doesn't work for everyone.

This is a good idea. Is this something I can make a low chance of happening ? :P

pleasesayyes.pleasesayyes.pleasesayyes.

Why did you tag me again? I didn't reply to you and I have little interest in this board

And btw I just did a ~35 wizard quests and spent only 50K MAYBE and I know I'll make it all back by selling the tokens and the other two items he gave me. So I can get my pure sP from caliph's tomb and sell all the tokens and I'll make a very nice little profit.

I mean I might be biased but I think it's a good idea. Boosters were horribly inflated, to the point of being put in the battle shop/Shinwas quests tweaked, so hey.. a chance at an amulet is more than enough reason to give Quentin a new fan base imo. Plus great profit for people not interested in making shards boosting!

Also Shinwas quest will always be the most potentially worthwhile quest on site.

When in need of sPs.. find a way to extort battlers. We crazy, especially when there's boosters involved -laughs-

Then I will find a way to make more money. Look, I survived on Neopets. That's like saying I survived a governmental crack down, the zombie apocalypse, and Black Friday with a tickle me elmo tied to my neck. I trust enough that he's not TNT yet, nor will we allow him to become TNT. Frankly, the economy here is really whacked. You guys might not notice it, but me coming back from a hiatus was like "dude things have jumped by like 5 million on average for good items o.O" as has the price of art/profiles. At least Keith is doing something to curb it instead of making the items as cheep as dirt like Neopets did. Draik eggs anyone? You are free to complain about your opinion as much as you like, I'm not going to stop you. But frankly you might need to take a big bite of Neopets to see how well Keith is running this place. I'll get off my soap box now.