Subeta -

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

ew, expiration date? Fail.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It should either increase all layers or not expire. As it is, it's just not worth it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I agree with everyone - if the layers were permanent I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Even if it cost 500 CSC.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Unless when the layer expires it removes an item - which I would assume it won't because your extra pets don't get removed when your GA expires - then it would be useful to someone like me, who tends to leave their HA the same for long periods of time. However, I can't see it being very efficient for people who change their HAs frequently, as many are apt to do. Since it expires, I think it would be more appropriate it if it were a MC item, especially since there's a max number of layers you can add. Then maybe have a permanent one be a more expensive CS item.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I would love something similar that is permanent. It can be more expensive. As it stands, I know I would never use it because I play infrequently enough that it wouldn't be worth it to me. But if there were a permanent version at some point, I would most likely buy enough to add 1-2 extra layers on face, head, and legs, maybe others.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

wow, something that expires after you pay real money for it. Sounds an awful lot like another site that I left, that was one of the reasons why. Well, bad enough I spend money on pixel, not about to spend it on vanishing pixels.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I spend at least $25 in the cash shop every month, between what I buy for myself and for my daughter. This does not seem cost-efficient to me. If it were an increase of +1 to all layers for 31 days, I'd buy it. But to have it apply to one layer (face OR background OR other layer) only doesn't make any sense. As someone else pointed out, the GA medal gives essentially 24 Ooh La La layers PLUS 9 other perks, so a GA medal at $5 is a much better deal.

Not to mention you can't buy $1 worth of CSC. If you have to buy $5 worth anyway, you might as well go all the way and get a GA. CSC sell in $5 increments, furthermore. There really needs, at minimum, to be a way to purchase $1 worth of CSC to provide the buyer more versatility. A person could then take the option, for example, to buy a $5 GA plus $2 worth of Ooh La La layers for a total of $7. Most people who use this site could swing $2 much easier than $5 or $10.

This is not a motivation, btw, to raise the price of the GA medal. It's already ridiculous that you don't provide discounts for those buying a 12-month GA. I mean, even LiveJournal and other sites that offer paid account perks will lower the price for buying a long-term paid account. And they're cheaper than you guys, anyway, and inspire incredible user loyalty. $5 for two months, or $20 for a year for <em>auto-renewal payment plan</em> (i.e. your card is charged automatically each year), or more for those buying a year at a time without the auto-renewal. It may not be the most comparable site (not a pet site), but it's an example of a site whose owner DID get rich and who eventually sold to corporate interests, yet the site still has a rabid following (even I still have a paid account there). The point is, you offer incentives to people to inspire them to commit to a year of paid time, and simply charging 12X the regular monthly price is just stupid. It's bad economics. Surely you're aware that buying in bulk is cheaper than buying many small packages -- of anything.

/lecture over.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Lols, the complaining on this. Bummer that it only lasts a month, but $1 isn't a lot. To those who don't have paypal I can see why they would say it's unfair, but I had to work during the Black Friday sale and thus missed out on good offers on things in my own store, let alone Subeta. No sympathy, sorry.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

As customers, we have the right to complain. And I shall, I think it only lasting 31 days is insane and silly. If I am going to be spending real money on something it should not expire, or at least should be worth it in time or amount. This does neither.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I bought it for the book value only !

I don't like buying something with real money to have it gone, no matter what period of time is involved.

Ooh La Layers has been read to Froggy! Your pet has gained an alchemy point!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

For 1000 CSC, an expiration date of 31 days seems much too short, especially as it only adds one layer to one slot. It would be worth that much CSC if it had no expiration (or at least a longer expiration) or if it added layers to a few slots of one's choosing. As others have mentioned here, a 500 CSC adds a layer to all the slots for the same amount of time. I probably won't be interested unless changes similar to what I mentioned are made, or if the CSC value of it drops. Or if I randomly win a ton of sp on here and run out of ways to spend it!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

You rock my world.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Was really excited for this until seeing it expired after a month... No thanks

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I really like this idea but I think it's a bit oddly implemented, by the time you reach 5 addtional layers you're better off buying a GA. Maybe something more like 1k CSC for a three month expansion of all slots by 1? And more up to 3 if you want to be able to access 6 slots /w a GA active.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Mhm...after my GA expired I still had 3 items on my face layer until I did not change my HA. But now the third item is gone. And Im not really happy about this. I just want it back and not only for 31 days for 100 CS for one slot -.- Perfect!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I have to say, I'm not too fond of this idea. Yes, GA expire, but people need to realize a few things:

Gold Accounts give you more than just extra layers. You also get the autopricer, extra pet slots, etc.
A layer gets added for every slot with GAs.

It just seems... unbalanced at the moment. It would be more understandable to buy if it added layers to more than just one single slot, especially if it's only going to last a month. Just my two cents, though.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like this. But just one slot per use of one item? I don't mind it expires, but this would have been much better if if would allow you to increse 3 slots on 3 different layers!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

@ The people complaining and saying this site is going too commercial-

HOW ABOUT YOU JUST NOT GET IT IF YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN?

This is a good feature. And something permanent would definitely cost more. It lasts as long as a GA does, so I see it as reasonable. The expiration is a bit of a bummer, but not something that you should start crying your eyes out for.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Look at it this way. If it DIDN'T expire, it'd cost a LOT more.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

What a great idea! Thank you!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

"The slots created with Ooh La Layers expire after 31 days."

Awww... :c

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like this idea and will probably use it, but it would be a better one to separate the layers a little more. Especially face and head.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well, first off I really appreciate the subeta team for listening to users and allowing this option. Things just keep getting better and better which is awesome. I personally love having this feature because layers = more HA experimentation. I don't know about anyone else, but having HAs is really exciting on subeta. _

However, I am a little ":/" at the expiration date. I'm kind of confused as to why that's there. To me, paying for extra layers via this wonderful item would seem like a more permanent feature that subeta people could add to their account for a better experience. Sort of like the magical montre plushies! At the same time, I understand that the GA medals use expiration dates and originally, this feature of adding more layers was only available through the GA medals. Err... I don't know. I don't mean to make a fuss, but would it be an okay idea to make these enhancements permanent like the magical montre plushies or would it forever work like the GA medals?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think expiring is reasonable.. GA's expire.. Although, I do wish it went for all layers at that price. But I'm sure some users will be very happy with it!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

SO glad I saved up the 100csc

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Love, love, LOVE this option!!! It's a fab idea for anyone wanting to really spice up their HA... especially for the face area... so many fabulous items! As for the naysayers (god I love that word!) just ignore them... it's a fact that you can't please everyone all the time... but dang you guys come close!! Thanks for the great site and taking the time to offer feedback!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I APPROVE OF THIS though I don't personally layer that much at all, and certainly not enough to need 4 slots... but I kind of want this item purely for the look of the item. The colors on the cover are pretty :'3

also lol @ people thinking this place is going way too "commercial" HARDLY. I approve of their making this item expiring and at that price. It's not like everyone is going to want 6 slots in every layer, and it's not like 1$ is hard to get every month... or even just the sp to get the csc to buy it! This site needs money to stay up, just as well as any other website. Since this site is lacking in money-making ads, then they need to make up for that in other ways, and if this is one way then more power to you, keith.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ooh, I think this will make a lot of people happy. Especially where the head/face layers are concerned.
I won't be using these myself, but I did buy one because it's a book (and may get a few more in the future for that reason).

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Refresh every month, I mean.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I can't argue that it's expensive, but I don't think increasing the layers is something I want to refresh. Cool idea though. I might get one for my gallery.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Honestly, I'd prefer there be a more expensive permanent version of this item. I can only think of a few layers that I always try to max out/over use. I'd pay $10 for it to just be permanent. X3 It's very hard to only use 2 items on the face.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Woo! Been waiting for something like this. Thank you! c:

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Good to know that's available if I ever need it. The expiration is a bummer though. Still, it's a new option... so yay!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This is amazingly awesome.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like this. ^-^ I don't think I'll personally partake, but I know how useful it could be. Sometimes it seems like everything I want to wear ends up being on one layer.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hmm, I'll admit that I was a bit iffy on the expiration at first, but after thinking it over I realize that this is a good move. After all, I doubt a lot of people want an extra slot for EVERY layer, so it's not like they'll have to shell out a ton of money every month; just enough to renew the slots they want. :3 This offers more customization to avatars. And even if people make really stupidly cluttered avatars using these, at least they're donating money to support the site. n_n (or buying from users who have donated money, whichever.) You can ignore the icky avatars. I bet there are a bunch of people who'll use the extra slots to put finishing touches on really amazing HAs, too!

Personally I almost never max out my layers, even with a GA (which I intend to renew every month now -- I mean, the cut training times? Best. Change. Ever.), so I won't be buying any of these babies -- unless it is in fact readable. Anyone have confirmation on that? xD Still, there are people who're thrilled by this, so good update! =3 Great for all the HA nuts out there!

I also adore the fact that Keith took the time to reply to user's concerns. That's just... yes. 'nother reason why Subeta is awesome.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I do acknowledge that it's a nice feature (and I might use it someday), and open to user feedback is great. But the way it is I don't see it as something that is going to be frequently bought.

If you don't notice I'm arguing for what in my opinion would be a good idea on how this could sell better. Therefore making more money to keep up the site. Whether or not that's accepted by others is their own opinion.

Well if constantly make avatars and it's one shot per one extra layer per area I think that would get a bit pricey for the people who would really go for it, don't you think?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

So it's only one layer, 31 days, and over 2mil in price? No offense, but it's not worth it for me. But then again, maybe I'm not really that much of a wardrobe fanatic.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

What I was trying to get at is that Subeta seems more centralized on making money than it had been in the past (I'm saying this being here for a while, keep that in mind). In the past the cash shop items were something you could buy to do a great deal for your account (the weapons it sold etc had large benefits in them), now it seems like almost everything can be turned into a cash shop item (although not as much as a few months ago as I mentioned), and even cheaper items were for sale churning in and out. While this was a smart move business wise it felt like other parts were being neglected. While some might have been satisfied with this some non cashshop using members might have gotten bored. And some of this audience being people who don't appreciate that. But you make a point, I forgot about the ultimate game card.

I will tell you now that the lack of ads is one of the things that has kept me on this site. I have to praise you for that. And I'm glad that you say there won't be expiring items. But what I was trying to say is that it being cheaper or permanent and more expensive would be more of use to you (or even for more areas). If it was cheaper people would be more likely to buy it. I can see this being a successful item if it was priced or used differently. Whatever you do it's your choice.

And thank you for listening to my rant. I do appreciate it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Presumably, the layers still remain if you don't remake your avatar after the expiration date, right? If that's the case, I don't see a huge problem as one can easily make the SP (or money) on the side by the expiration date, to buy the books again. It might be very mild commercialism, but Subeta makes up for it by having CS items (and on another note, SP), be easily attainable without having to buy them with real world money.

Can't wait to see how cluttered HAs might become. XD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's a lot when there's over 20 layers and a user can purchase up to 3 more slots that expire every 31 days.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> I don't see how this is expensive? 100 CSC is at 2mil right now. That's around 1-3 days of questing/pricing shop. 4 days if you only wizard quest, get 250tokens/day, and then sell them for 1.8-2mil...so...

DOES NOT COMPUTE.

Exactly! We've always had the option to buy items from the cash shop using SP, and it's not like 100CSC is a lot when converted. There are also some users who bulk buy these kind of items, so we'll always have a few shops stocking them at around the price of the csc.

Also, the people who say 'urgg this site is getting more commercial' blah blah blah, don't know how hard it is to keep a large site like this up and running, and it's not like ONE more item in the cash shop is going to make the WHOLE site go downhill. I didn't hear anyone complaining when the Luminaire gifts came out..?! Or when we got denominations of 100/250 csc. Please stop complaining and just let us enjoy subeta for what it is

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

id love to have for rainbow part of my gallery

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Omg!!! One day when I'm rich they will go straight to my face

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't see how this is expensive? 100 CSC is at 2mil right now. That's around 1-3 days of questing/pricing shop. 4 days if you only wizard quest, get 250tokens/day, and then sell them for 1.8-2mil...so...

DOES NOT COMPUTE.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I feel like there are a lot of people criticizing this now (myself included), and forgetting that this is a really nice feature, which users have asked for. Although I really hope that the feature is tweaked (and I wouldn't be surprised if it was, I think Keith and the subeta staff do listen to us users a lot, unlike on some other sites), it is a great new feature for them to give us.

I also don't think that subeta is going anywhere near as commercial as other sites. Neopets and, to a greater extent, gaia are focusing so much more on items you have to buy with real money, and sometimes it feels like to have to pay to enjoy the best features of the site. Most of subeta does not require spending money, and there are very few features that require money. It's also very easy to get CSC without spending real money. PLUS, subeta doesn't have obnoxious ads all over the site, so they need money from the users to make up for that. Personally, I think it's very unfair to say that subeta is becoming at all commercial.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Also, I will say that expiring items are not something that we're interested in pursing. We do not plan on adding clothing / etc that expires after x amount of days, and that includes minions, etc.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">On a side note it seems like people are thinking that it covers all of the layers and I think you should make that clear.

Ooh La Layers will allow you to increase any layer by 1 spot, for a maximum of 3 slots per layer. For example, you can add 3 additional background slots, for a total of 6 if you have a GA.

And the description of the item Note: This book will give you +1 to the layer of your choosing, for 31 days.

I think it's pretty clear to people who read the news post / the item.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Eh. This kind of disappointments me. The site is becoming way too commercial, and these expiring items are really pushing the limit. Yes, putting the GA into consideration this is cheaper, more ideal for avid HA makers and like the GA it expires. But if you really look into it for this you get 1 extra layer, not to mention on only one area for a dollar, for a month. A 1 month gold account adds a layer to all of the areas for 5 dollars (that's the equivalent of 24$ worth of ooh la layers), and has 9 extra features. So 1 feature for a dollar each, or 10 for 5. Getting what I'm saying at how this is a bit unreasonable? Don't get me wrong I understand that this site is a business. But it doesn't seem like this is going to be a big hit at the way it's going now. Either lowering the price, making it available for all layers, or making it permanent would have made this more successful in my mind. It might attract a few hardcore HA lovers for a while but the masses aren't going to buy into this.

Just keep in mind that many of us migrated from Neopets before it went commercial and changed the site completley, and marketed it to a young audience, and hence quit. Also not all of us are of age to have a credit card and be able to buy these things, so you might be loosing a some of the younger audience. I also don't want to see it going the way Gaia did with multiple expiring items (by the way I quit both of the mentioned sites). Although I'm glad to see we're out of the cash shop selling craze that we had a few months ago (where all of the normal items consisted of a couple of plain shoes), it still seems to be going in the same direction. This has dissuaded me I generally don't come on as often any more.

Look. All I'm trying to do is keep it in perspective. Yes, the economy is bad right now but the way that business tactics are being tackled aren't going well.

One move -- and the site is 'becoming way too commercial'. Can you point out in another way that we've become 'way too commercial' or another step that we've made toward being more corporate or commerical? Thanks!

I'm not sure what you're getting at with the final paragraph. We don't expect anyone to have a credit card (or paypal) and don't expect anyone to spend money in the cash shop. If you value what we're selling to you, you'll try to purchase it. Last year we started supporting the ultimate game card, which was a huge step forward for us.

We don't have ads on the site. Take a look at any major company website, including companies that are making billions (worldofwarcraft.com for example) and they have ads. We're at a huge disadvantage as far as money making goes, because I have morals and am not interested in becoming a millionaire when I'm 20.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

On a side note it seems like people are thinking that it covers all of the layers and I think you should make that clear.

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