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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

my guess wrong

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think i got this trivia right but Im not sure...I hope it ends soon so i can find out if i did or not

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

"If you have completed Mathematics or Computer Studies on anything above like Grade 10 level, you must have at least heard of binary, hexadecimal and octal? Or at least seen it on your calculator?"

Um... There is this thing called "new math". My kids learned match a completely different way than I did. When I was in school, we never used calculators. I'm really not even that old. But I was surprised when I had to buy my daughter a calculator. We were expected to figure things out by hand. The hard way.

So, saying that someone that has been through 10th grade should know base4 or whatever that is, is illogical and wrong. I have a college degree, and yet I've never heard of it. It's great you were taught that in school, but the world is a big place and you can't expect that everyone learned what you learned.

I didn't think the trivia was unfair. I did manage to find the answer, got lucky really. And promptly gave the prize to a friend who collects birdies (since I don't collect them).

Yes, it was hard. And when I first looked at the question, I thought my brain would explode. I didn't get DNA's (the first one). Not sure if I got this new one, either. But I am actually enjoying having the trivias in different formats. It's more variety and I do love riddles.

Granted, I am in the blue building so now I play more for fun than anything else. But there were times that I spent well over 5 hours looking for a trivia shakes fist at Efi and her last sequence trivia... but I still adore you Efi and never found the answer. And that answer WAS on the site. So, had it been onsite, you could have easily spent that much time looking and still not found the answer.

It seems like with trivia, it comes down to you are danged if you do, and danged if you don't. Cause no matter what you do, some people won't be happy. That's the way it always is.

Thank you for doing the trivia's while she is gone. I do appreciate that. And I hope her computer is fixed soon. I would be lost without mine.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ive heard (but of course, rumors are rumors until proven) that DebiLee's computer IS the problem. I actually got a virus through MSN right at the same time as Debi's went down.. one of those nasty bugs that travels without your knowledge.. it took down my computer, but thankfully, I have a wicked awesome computer friend who spent almost an entire day in the guts of my computer, fixing it for me. Im not saying thats what happened to hers, but its possible.

And I know Keith and DNA didnt have to update the trivia, and I love that they did (I got both answers ) I just wish they werent lasting so long...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Something is obviously going on with Debi, she keeps going idle for days at a time. Knowing how good she is about staying on top of this, I assume it might be something moderately not good

I'm really surprised and pleased Keith and DNA went out of their way to update the trivia, it was a nice thing to do, and they didn't didn't have to. It's just another nice perk we get.

I miss the trivias as much as all of you, but this obviously isn't as important as what could be going on in her real life.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ok, whats with the trivias lasting so long??? Ugh!!! They used to be changed when 1000 people answered or so, and latley, they're getting up to the mid 3000's. I know debi isnt here, but can we get these updated a little sooner?? Pllleeeeaasseeee??? Id do it,.. but im obviously not staff...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

"So now if we want to release trivias based on garbled language, it's wrong?" - No, it's just hypocritical."

No, that's not it either. Completely random codes present exactly the same experience to anyone who attempts to crack them, whereas with another language (even a coding one), completely foreign to Subeta, some people are very obviously going to be at an advantage at first glance.

And, as another aside, I somehow doubt that 10k+ people on this site have said they don't know what base64 is. JustMimi's response is spot on, though--base64 is not required knowledge if you're working in html, etc.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

D; I've suddenly lost faith in subeta...

fears of the day it will turn into something like shudder neopets *

( Evilness, scamming, spamming, general nonsense )

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I LOVE that the trivias are getting harder. The month of december was all easy peasy, no difficulty type questions, and those arent any fun!!! use your brain, solve the hard ones, and take PRIDE in getting them right.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I found the last couple tough so i didn't even try!
This is not much better, but I'll take a flying stab at it ...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Pixieeee said:

I'm really surprised at the 10k+ people saying they know SO MUCH about the internet and programming and have never HEARD of b64. I know almost jacksh!t about programming, I heard of b64 when I was doing basic code breaking stuff on the internet. It's an extremely common code to use online for basic code things, I see it as much as anagrams. I'd be interested to hear what parts of the internet these programing whizzes came from to not hear about it.

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Obviously, the parts (gazillions of them) that have nothing to do with code breaking. That does beg the question why you were breaking codes on the Internet, but let's just leave that one aside. We don't all have the same set of experiences, Pixieeee, even when we share common interests. I'll bet there are things here on Subeta which you do and I don't, and vice versa. Does that make one of us a loser? Nope. Just means we play differently.

For the record, I never said I was a programming whiz, and would never claim to be. I've written small programs before, mostly in C++, for classes, and once long enough ago so that I'd be willing to risk a large sum of money that at least half of the people reading this weren't born (and their parents may have been in middle school), I was forced to write a program for an astronomy class, to convert CST to sidereal time and prove I'd done it properly by turning in the paper tape it was punched on. That's the extent of my programming knowledge. One doesn't have to be a programmer to have a degree in CIS, especially if one is studying analysis and project management of computer systems. One doesn't have to be interested in breaking code to use the Internet. One doesn't have to be able to take an engine apart and put it back together properly in order to drive.

Again, I'm not whining about not having gotten the answer right - I could hardly expect to, since I didn't even submit anything. I'm talking about the fact that it is reasonable to assume that many many people will have been upset about this, since the question and answer didn't follow the only guidelines there are about what to expect (and yes, now I realize that they don't have to, but that wasn't clear until now either). People's reactions when something runs counter to their expectations are usually highly charged emotionally and some people were being quite rude to those who were complaining or spluttering around, saying, "but ... but i thought ... it says ...." My intent was to help those who are complaining about the complainers understand why, aside from sour grapes, one might feel that way, and by drawing out answers from Keith and staff, help re-define expectations in order to avoid future brouhahas.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I was just sitting here reading all of these comments and laughing at the people who got upset at the people who were complaining. Who cares if they were mad at the trivia? Does it really matter that much to you? Everyone is entitled to feel the way they want! Absolutely crazy people.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

"So now if we want to release trivias based on garbled language, it's wrong?" - No, it's just hypocritical.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

2 trivia's in a row I don't get. lol oh well. X3 good luck to other users!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

looks at new trivia

O_o

I probably just guessed the completely wrong answer.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I find it really sad that I was in a IT class and they never taught me this or said anything about it to the class.

Glad I know about it now though. I can drive my friends crazy sending them these insane codes

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm sorry, but your answer of yes absolutely but only on a tuesday if the weather is nice! for the trivia was incorrect. Oh no I got it wrong? lol

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm really surprised at the 10k+ people saying they know SO MUCH about the internet and programming and have never HEARD of b64. I know almost jacksh!t about programming, I heard of b64 when I was doing basic code breaking stuff on the internet. It's an extremely common code to use online for basic code things, I see it as much as anagrams. I'd be interested to hear what parts of the internet these programing whizzes came from to not hear about it.

That's totally irrelevant to the trivia though. It wasn't really all that big of a deal. While it might have sucked if you didn't know, it WAS just ONE trivia. :3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I just wanted to add my two cents and say that I have little to no knowledge of computer languages, but I did google around and managed to find a decoder site that led to my decoding the question. Do I know what Base64 is? No. Am I fluent in it? Heck no.

It was a difficult thing to find, yeah, but it was Subeta related, and someone with no previous knowledge about it (myself) found it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

And so the furor continues LOL

I did not get the last one, and I shall not get this one. Ahh well. Onward! XD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

All I'll say is, I feel like an idiot. xD I went to many a decoder site and Base64 was everywhere, yet from how it was described, I didn't think the question was in that. Oh well.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think it's really disgusting that people are saying stuff like, "how could you not have heard of it?" Seriously, how rude. Not everyone knows everything, don't act like you're better than people who haven't.

I hadn't heard of it, but managed to google around and figure it out. That was more luck and determination than smarts.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

If the question was in base64, then why was there no hint to the base? I'm not a programmer and I don't wish to be one right now, but I find that question wasn't fair to those who struggled to find out what the code was. I have studied base code, even though it interest me a little. Most of the people that answered had no clue what the question was. I don't care if I had the right answer. I'm just disappointed that a question like that was a trivia.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

"OMG whaa whaa whaa, it's a freaken game. I didn't get the answer either, get over it and move on."

It's not the trivia itself. I spent four hours trying to break that code as if it were a cryptogram because I did not think I'd have to go outside of Subeta to find the answer. The fact that it was in a coding language was something I thought of out of desperation, when I'd given it not my 100% but my 105! Many of us work hard at trivia, and it's sad to be wrong when it's not really your fault. It's always nice to see your efforts come to fruition.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

base64 is more known to people who code websites - it was interesting to me to see / and not * and or - used in the base64 example posted - that shed some light on why so many SQL errors happen if the base64 is not tweaked and is fighting with the other coding

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I know the answer for this one, but not whether to type it as one word or two, or whether to capitalize...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Is it a form of minion, I wonder?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Drat, I wish I had won one of those. They're awesome! <333 C:

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Your answer cursed pencil for the trivia was correct! Youve been given an Ikulbluewren and 150sP

Yay for being a geek sometimes and having an decoder in my bookmarks

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I had not a clue with this one. What is Base24?
I'm not particularly good any any Trivia that has words in the question!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Keith said:

I wasn't comparing myself to the president (though that's how it might have seemed) and I generally try to follow my rules. However, saying that I need to follow questions asked by other staff members (who, aren't staff anymore.) in an editorial over two years ago...

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gently points out that the editorials aren't dated and that they've been used for answers before

I'm not particularly whining - I don't expect to get every trivia right, or even most trivias right. All I'm doing is trying to explain why it's reasonable to expect that some people would be upset over this.

Just FYI - I've been using computers since before Windows, been on the Internet since the days when 9.6 kps was akin to lightspeed (how well I remember my first 14.4 connection and how fast it was in comparison!), have a Master's in Computer Information Systems, worked for 4 years as an Information Assurance Analyst (read: computer security analyst), can do master cryptograms within the time limits (often I simply read it as if it were a language and I know what it says), speak several languages, and am generally considered not to be a total dummy, and base64 never crossed my mind, as googling for decoders didn't either. I say all that to point out that even geeks aren't going to tumble to everything computer-related, which makes the comments such as (paraphrase): "anyone who knows anything should have known, so if you didn't get it, you're too stupid to be allowed to breathe" both rude and inflammatory. (I am not pointing a finger at any person, just commenting on a general category of remarks, hence I've morphed the general idea of those remarks into something no one has actually said on purpose, to avoid anyone thinking I'm disparaging a person or persons in particular.)

Yeah, all that stuff about how long I've been using computers is true, and yeah it means I'm old as dirt. I love it here anyway, don't mind not getting the trivia questions right even when they're frustrating as the dickens, and have sore toes from kicking myself for not thinking about looking for decoders on google. :-)

Posted without whines, rancor or feelings of superiority, so please don't read that into any of this.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

from the terms and conditions:"By agreeing to the terms and signing up for an account, you represent that you are 13 years of age or older or have parental permission and agree to all of the terms.
stop complaining people. i am in my 40's and had no clue. maybe 10 year olds would get it better than me. claps for all the smart people who got it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Lol, well that last one totally went over my head... I bought the prize though, so it's all good. The wren is super cute
Is base 64 like... logs? Don't know what that has to do with programming but... uh.. that's what I think of when people keep saying that...

Annnnyway, I think I have this next one. Hopefully. I like riddles

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I missed the last one, no worries though. As to this one, even if I miss it, I love the poetic nature of the question.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't think I would have got it even if Keith told "OH THIS IS BASE 64" xD

I know nothing about programming

I'n not complaining thought. I failed with this trivia but maybe I'll get the next one right ^^
One can't always win.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Lawl, Keith. :3

This is a better trivia, though. Even though I can't figure it out.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm just wondering if we should expect a question in chinese or maybe a japanese, so I can start looking for online translators, at least I'd know that it's another language and not something else.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

You go Keith!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I wasn't comparing myself to the president (though that's how it might have seemed) and I generally try to follow my rules. However, saying that I need to follow questions asked by other staff members (who, aren't staff anymore.) in an editorial over two years ago...

I made a trivia that was Subeta related, and some people got it wrong. I'm sorry that I didn't say OH THIS IS BASE 64 so that everyone could answer it (I'm really not, btw)

Good luck on future trivia's

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Right... Base64. -tries to remember- xD It was a good trivia, nonetheless.

I almost had the new one right, but my computer screwed me up and I hit enter on accident instead of delete. D8

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I did think that the last one was a code of sorts but had no idea that it was Base64. I did google for decoders but found rubbish so I gave a silly pathetic answer.

I think I got this new one right but it seems too easy in comparison to the last lol, especially as I thought I'd got it straight away, I knew I'd seen something along the lines of the riddle last week hehe!

I dont begrudge a harder trivia once in a while.. expands the mind and whatnot

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

InvaderGEL: I always capitalize my answers and when I get the event thing at the top saying I got it wrong or right, they're always lowercase. So I think the trivia automatically de-caps everything, so it doesn't matter.

"I'm sorry, but your answer of q3vyc2vkifblbmnpba== for the trivia was incorrect.

Great.. ask a question in base64.. get an answer in base64... and thats wrong how?????"

I completely agree. While I didn't even try to answer that trivia, if I had tried and found the answer Cursed Pencil, I would have re-coded the answer. I remember in a past trivia that somebody asked whether we were supposed to answer questions in the format they were given, and the answer was yes. So that was a doubly unfair trivia--not only did you have to know this was a programming language, you also had to know that you were supposed to answer in English.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Seems that there are a lot of sour grapes today I also had no clue, but not every trivia will be answered by everyone. I personally can't do sequence trivias, some people can't do math trivias, some people can't do coding trivias. I think it's nice that there are trivias aimed at all sorts of different groups of people. Maybe the people who got the coding trivia right find other trivias really hard and are not able to do them? It's just like general knowledge quizzes, you're going to be better in some areas than others.

The editorial is old. Some pages are over 2 years old. It needs to be re-written/re-answered.

Even Debi uses googleable questions occasionally still! So that answer in the editorial is quite wrong (remember the auld lang syne triva?)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

lol OMG whaa whaa whaa, it's a freaken game. I didn't get the answer either, get over it and move on. If every trivia was easy and equal to everyone the prizes would be worth crap. eye roll at whiners

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I agree that you didn't have to be a programmer to answer the last trivia BUT you had to have some clue to know what to do with it.

I've studied quite high maths AND a bit of programming but never ever heard of base64... o.O

On another note, I think I got the new one ^^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm sure the prize will be reused again since not that many people won. And wasn't everyone getting irritated about not having the trivia change anyway xD?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

K people, that was a joke.. i didn't know nuthin

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

so I was like whaaa? and then I said, hmmmm? it was kinda funny and then I just snorted ... I knew what the answer was... just didn't want to show off... bashful eyes

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I've never heard of Base64 before and I've been on the internet for EIGHT YEARS. Oh well.

will take me some time to figure out the new one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Omgawdd. x.x that was the hardest trivia I've ever seen. xD

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