HYDRAGELLOS!

July 22, 2019 10:53 pm

So, good news/bad news time. Good news: You've all been doing a great job swatting those mini gelatins! There are only around 147,000 of them left, which is... well, it's fewer than we started with. Bad news: In all the chaos, I didn't hear a Hydragellos sneaking up on us and now it's out there sliming up Subeta! (I don't know how none of you sighted people noticed a humongous three-headed gelatin monster menacingly approaching, but now is not the time for blame.)

Of course my first instinct as Subeta's bravest and most formidable warrior was to lean forward and run directly through the monster with my arms outstretched behind me (for the extra speed, you know), killing it instantly, but I just had this armor cleaned and I've also been told I need to learn to be more of a team player. Therefore, I will graciously allow you to band together to, if not defeat the monster, at least annoy it enough that it leaves Subeta.

At the speed it's moving, the Hydragellos should take until the end of the day on Sunday to make its way out of Subeta. Try to cut it down to size before then! I'll keep track of the damage you deal to the beast (which you'll also be able to check for yourself very soon) and once Subeta is safe again, I'll make sure you're rewarded! I'd say 15 million damage should earn you a Hydragellos Maniacal Core*, personally carved from the beast by yours truly. If you can't quite hit that mark, I'm sure I can find some other prizes for you. Good luck!

One core per account!

July 28, 2019, 5:10 pm by

I'm honestly not sure on that. They gave Hydragellos unlimited health this year so that everyone had "equal" opportunity to reach 15 million damage in the time frame - I'm not sure there will be a point at which it's health starts to decrease and someone can get the final blow - but I don't think it will to be honest. I think there's no bonus prize for getting the last hit this year because I don't think there will be a last hit.

July 28, 2019, 5:06 pm by

thank you now i get it :) another question that follows on this one ........... does that mean that all that reached the 15 million mark wont be able to win another core with the final blow or is that also something from last year and will you only gain the acheivement for the last blow - i get confused with all those changes every year lol

July 28, 2019, 4:06 pm by

It's one core per account per event. They were specifying that you can't get 15m with one pet, then 15m with a second/third/etc/etc and get a core for each pet that hit the damage requirement. Just one total for this year's event.

July 25, 2019, 12:15 pm by

.........;;because if so then its not realy one core per account isnt it ?? i am a bit confused there - so therefore this question

July 25, 2019, 12:13 pm by

if subeta says " one core per account"

does that mean that ....

everyone that already earned a core in the previous years

can battle there butt off to gain 15 million but wont get another core only the other prizes ?? or can they still earn another core ??? thats what i am wondering about to be honest ?

July 25, 2019, 10:17 am by

I've been on this site for 12 years and battling is STILL a disaster and always will be, thanks for coming to my TED talk

July 25, 2019, 4:36 am by

I'm combining 16 and 17 in my head, 16 was the year the cores were by tier.

When they didn't announce that except as a 'some prizes are by tier' comment on the news post.

Subeta screws up trying to make battling less elitist in too many varied ways I can't keep them straight anymore.

July 24, 2019, 10:57 pm by

I have trained Syrax for years to be a Tier 13! It was a lot of work. I do not know if I will make 15 mil damage because of working in R/L.. I am going to try my best. I love to battle and am going for the Core! I did not think the year people that got the most damage for each tier and got a core was fair. Try spending hours training and battle quest to get a capped pet.

July 24, 2019, 6:52 pm by

It helps if you make the training page your home page. Then you can start a training session every time you start your browser. =D

July 24, 2019, 6:34 pm by

I couldn't get the Core last year at 5 million minimum damage. Because I've put so much work into my battle pet, and because there's enough time for the necessary grinding, I should be able to get it this year at 15 million minimum damage. You need patience and time to grind to get anywhere in battles, especially the most desirable prizes.

July 24, 2019, 6:03 pm by

I'm just going to do my best. I know I didn't train enough for a core, and that's fine.

BUT I'M STILL GOING TO HELP TACKLE THIS BEAST!

July 24, 2019, 3:23 pm by

I have a t12 pet. I have decent weapons. I also work full time and have a life outside of subeta and can't actually spend every spare hour grinding for this. The core remains unbuyable despite how many went out last year. The top weapons remain unbuyable and were in large part acquired before there was ever such a thing as tiers to begin with.

Some of us worked just as hard as others to get to a point where we were supposed to have a chance at the core this year, but are being iced out because we don't have hours on end to sit and grind.

Pretty much everyone who answered the question of how much damage is fair was someone who had at least one core already from a previous year. Sitting here watching people who have been guaranteed to win a core every single time this event runs talk about how it's super fair to continue to gatekeep battling to anyone who wasn't here a decade ago makes me really have a lot of distaste for that community as a whole. "Why should people work really hard and be told that they'll for sure be able to get something next time the event comes around get anything next time when they've done exactly as they should've but the goalposts were moved yet again to keep them out?"

Like...what exactly do you gain from all this? I don't see any PvP battling happening here where you hoarding all the best weapons forever and always does you any good. You want the best prizes so you can...what? Sit on them since you can only equip one at a time? Try to sell them for billions to people who won't ever earn billions because the only people sitting on that money are people who already have it? How does making battling even slightly more accessible to people who worked their butts off for years also hurt you at all? Because from where I'm sitting? It doesn't.

July 24, 2019, 2:42 pm by

Good thing this event happens semi-regularly

July 24, 2019, 2:26 pm by

Please put up the counter soon? Pretty please???

July 24, 2019, 2:03 pm by

I busted butt last year and actually made the top tier with mediocre weapons and a middling-tier 11. I probably shouldn't have been able to do that, lol.

I think 5 mil probably was too low. 15 mil might be too high, but to me it seems very clear that we're basically live-testing how the system works, from year to year. Maybe next year we'll have a number more in the middle, once we have some data on how well the 15 mil goal works.

I'm really glad we do have a set damage goal and almost a whole week, however, even if I won't be able to make it this year; I deeply appreciate the ability to look at the goal, look at my time/ability/commitments and decide whether it's feasible or not. For me, this year, it's not. But I'm so glad that we're not doing the "drop everything and battle for two random days, go!" strategy.

July 24, 2019, 12:45 pm by

I don’t think anyone should expect to earn a top battling prize when their pet is only 26% of the way toward being maxed out. Those T12/T13 battlers have worked 2-4x harder for their pets; of course they are going to get top prizes, they earned it.

July 24, 2019, 12:33 pm by

"I put in effort and that means anyone who finds the amount of effort that needs to be done for this event absurd isn't putting in enough effort or doesn't care as much as me, therefore they don't deserve something despite the fact that my 100% and someone else's 100% is different"

Got it!

July 24, 2019, 12:24 pm by

Also, I-spy-with-my-little-eye 4 other challengers to train the lower tiers against. This isn't a zero-sum game. Everyone can win with effort. The level of effort just scales.

July 24, 2019, 12:21 pm by

Hello, my name is Chocolate. I have a T12 pet and I fully plan on dedicating 12 hours to grind for a Core. As are many, many, many others. Your point? I love battling. Not everyone does. Not everyone has to. If I want to spend 12 hours grinding, and you don't? Okay then. Then you get the other 9 valuable participation prizes, and I'll sit on my 10 prizes. I'm [I]making[/I] time for this event that I care about. Just as I've made time the last many years to get to the place I am. It's not as much time as some, but it's greater than others. And that's okay. But tell me again how it's unfair.

July 24, 2019, 11:50 am by

Maybe people don’t realize that the core isn’t the only prize from the hydra. There are a lot of other really good prizes, last time there were books, wearables, boosters, etc. The core is a top prize, an -incentive- for making an investment in battling. Why would someone spend billions of sP for the best weapons for their T12 to do the most damage if they are going to be rewarded the same prize as a T12 pet that is using T8 weapons or weapons they only spent a few million on?

You know what’s unfair? The people that have multiple T12/T13 pets that’s spend days accumulating damage and only get one top prize. But they don’t complain because battling is what they love to do and accept that battling has always been a non profitable hobby.

July 24, 2019, 11:32 am by

That's a really good strawman, considering there are people with tier 10-12 pets in these very news comments saying that they'd have to dedicate 12+ hours of grinding in order to hit the damage.

Saying "oh this is better than it used to be" does not mean that the situation can't be improved.

Also, complaining about 200 drops as if that's the worst thing in the world is ludicrous given that weapons aren't consumed on use and it's not even something like a book or food that can go in multiple places, so a large chunk of the "won" cores aren't exactly being utilized.

July 24, 2019, 9:35 am by

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Searching For: Hydragellos Maniacal Core
[item2=Hydragellos Maniacal Core]</p>
<p>1 item(s) found in total!

Yeah I'm good. I remember that living hell.

July 24, 2019, 8:56 am by

TRACKER. TRACKER. TRACKER.
Please...

July 24, 2019, 8:46 am by

What exactly do you expect staff to do? Say, "oh hi, little low-tier Timmy! I see you were only able to do about 500 damage after trying only 3 times. You can get a core, a piece of one of the best weapons on site, just for trying!"

It might seem harsh, but yeah, the core is a reward for the the top battlers. I wasn't strong enough last time, but I am this time, and I'm damn proud of it. I'm still going to be grinding like crazy, but this is a reward for spending years and years on my pet. And believe me, I'm really happy they changed it away from the top X pets, because I can name 50 people instantly who have better armies than I. This [I]is[/I] them increasing the fairness. (And trying to find a happy balance between 25 and 200 drops.)

And little low tier Timmy? Well, the actual scaled participation prizes are normally really great. Last time, some truly superb prizes went out for only doing 250k and 500k damage. That's really, really obtainable.

July 24, 2019, 6:43 am by

I'm holding off on battling this dude until we know if users that got the core last year can get another this year... I hope that gets cleared up soon, because I am confused orz;

July 24, 2019, 6:31 am by

If the one Core limit wasn't in place, I would have gotten four Cores last time. Possibly more because I stopped trying for 5 mil after it was announced 2.5 mil would get you all the smaller prizes.

July 24, 2019, 6:27 am by

"just implementing the 1 per account rule" They had one Core per account in place last time and have it in place this time.

July 24, 2019, 5:35 am by

/Only/ serious (top tiers) battlers get rewarded. That's the point. That's what last year was supposed to fix. Expect the screwed up and didn't make it one per account so those people used their armories to crowd out the lower tiers too.

So the real people with lower tier pets, who Subeta explicitly wanted to give a chance to, got screwed. And now they're screwed again with this 'fix'. If they really did still want to give those people a chance, just implementing the 1 per account rule and using the same system as last time (while tweaking the numbers if needed) was the answer. They didn't do that.

Seriously, why couldn't it be top 10 in t9+ and top 5 in t4-5 and top 3 in t1-3, 1 per account* or something if you wanted less to go out. Or a smaller damage floor? This is way way more similar to the original way (which to some commenters here: isn't the same as saying LITERALLY those same people will be rewarded - although some of them absolutely will :/).

July 24, 2019, 1:28 am by

is 15 mil the minimum damage to get awared? I think I did like 1k damage. :P

July 24, 2019, 12:19 am by

"Total Damage: 282" lmao, next year I guess... as always.

July 23, 2019, 10:08 pm by

So it's raw damage not top X pets per tier this time? I like that system a lot. Tracked my first 50 battles, and the projections are not encouraging. Looking forward to the official DMG tracker, that thing saved my ass last time.

July 23, 2019, 8:46 pm by

Battling itself is a grind. Even a low effort battler like me who can't be bothered to farm challengers can end up tier 12 with a reasonable set of weapons and scrolls at my disposal. But I had to grind every single day over a long period of time to reach that point. I'm pretty happy I don't have to compete with people who actually try. There'd be no reason to do more than the minimum to get the rest of the prizes.

July 23, 2019, 8:31 pm by

I hope you'll put up the cumulative score soon. I want to see how I'm doing.

July 23, 2019, 8:14 pm by

If it’s taking you a ridiculous amount of battles to do enough damage, your armory may need to be upgraded or your pet isn’t strong enough. We also won’t know yet until the final results if 15 mil is too high. 5 mil was too low. That’s the only reason they increased the amount. To say that cores are only going to get rewarded to the same 26 people this year, without even seeing the final results and only 2 days into the hydra release is highly presumptuous. People have had a lot of time to prepare since then. This is a battle event. Serious battlers will get rewarded. I say this as someone who has been on this site for 11 years, bust my butt battling every year and only got a core during the last war.

July 23, 2019, 7:23 pm by

This is why boss battles are the worst

July 23, 2019, 7:19 pm by

Telling someone to "work for it" by dedicating over a full day (24 hrs) of sit down time over the course of a week to grinding out damage is ridiculous.

And saying "Well you can always work towards next year" is a hollow sentiment when the goals for these things keep increasing every year... like the last time there was a set goal it was 5m damage over the same period. Trying to say that the number of cores that went out was ridiculous because "it's a rare item" isn't reflective of the actuality of stats on pets - a mid-tier 11 pet isn't even in the top 1000 pets on site. The goalposts shift so that the SAME group of ultra-high end battlers in included but everyone else (including people who are approaching/in the tier where this item is relevant) is left behind.

July 23, 2019, 6:48 pm by

Just voicing what a few other have said. The hydragellos was never meant to be easy. It used to be A LOT tougher when it was PvP competive - only the top 25 overall damage people got a core so you not only needed a high T12/T13 pet, but you also needed to be online for the two days hydragellos was available before someone killed him. Staff have been super generous with changing the event so that you have 6 days to do damage and don’t have to compete against other players to get hits in. Now more people can get the core of you work for it. They’ve actually increased the pool of potential winners.

The core is used to make one of the best obtainable weapons in the game. It makes sense then that high tier pets should win it. The higher your pet is from years of training and the more you’ve invested in your armory, the less effort you have to put in during the event. Does this also make it near impossible for low tier pets to get? Yes but there is also next year if you train hard before the next time.

July 23, 2019, 6:15 pm by

I work 40 hours a week lmao how

I'll just nvm about it

July 23, 2019, 6:07 pm by

Spending over 28k on healing every time I fight is adding up quickly :( I hope we get to see our progress soon.

July 23, 2019, 5:59 pm by

"Battling used to be even more inaccessible so complaints about the current system only rewarding the same small set of users by constantly raising benchmarks so that users who are trying to catch up never can are unwarranted"

July 23, 2019, 5:55 pm by

Back in the day you had to sit n click virtually all day long. No top whatever for every tier, no deal a certain amount of damage to get the core. Missed a few hours at the beginning? you have to sit n click for even longer. 2 Hydras you say? Nope, only the one. It was top 25 for the entire site. its much easier today than it was.

anyway.... Thank you staff for the free healing :)

July 23, 2019, 5:35 pm by

Any update about when the damage counter will be up and running?

Also, I'm glad I was one of the lucky 200 last release. 15 mil seems terribly high for pets that aren't tier 12-13.

July 23, 2019, 5:18 pm by

This... this was not the way to fix the distribution issues from last time. I had a chance in hell last time. I don't this time (because I'd have to literally sit at my computer 24/7 at least part of the time and I just can't do that).

I get that you wanted more of a balance but this is dumb and elitist on par with the original distribution method. GG lucky people from last time, again. Which again, this is just double-tripling down on. sigh

July 23, 2019, 5:04 pm by

they blew it last year by handing them out to the top 10 (whatever it was) in every single tier

July 23, 2019, 4:49 pm by

They released like 200 Cores last time. All the years before that they released 26 (top 25 damage dealers + 1 to the person who gave the last blow). They're trying to find something more between 200 and 26 cores released, I assume.

July 23, 2019, 4:37 pm by

What's the purpose of re-releasing something when you have to do 2x more damage than the last release? Your user base isn't kids with unlimited free time you know... this is

July 23, 2019, 3:20 pm by

They increased the min damage for a core from 5m to 15m because last time, nearly 200 of them went out. (Which is a ridiculously high number.) It's meant to be difficult. Is it too difficult? We'll see. But I plan on grinding my ass off to try any get a core this year. And as for "grind-heavy events" - yeah. This event is a grind, for sure. But we've also been begging for it for years. My pet wasn't strong enough last gelly war, but I'm sure hoping she's ready this year.

July 23, 2019, 2:02 pm by

Glad that people who already have a Hydragellos core can get another one, with a low Tier 11 pet this would over a full day of straight grinding.

July 23, 2019, 1:11 pm by

Anyone happen to know which element(s) this thing is weakest to?

July 23, 2019, 12:45 pm by

I'm gonna stick with battling the Mini Gelatin monsters.

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