All the free and secret challengers drop amulets and tomes at allocated intervals after the initial 10 wins. It seems odd that the challengers we actually PAY for become useless (beyond tokens anyway) after their special loot has been farmed. Granted, their special loot is more "special" but still... it would be nice to have more places to farm amulets and tomes. Even if this causes a temporary flooding of stat boosters, is that really a bad thing? Might get more people interested in kicking some coliseum tail!

I think it more so has to do with the availability of the cash shop challengers. Not everyone can buy the challengers every month.

I may be wrong in this though, as it was always my speculation as to why they don't drop items after 10 wins.

Though it does not explain why event and the MC challengers also do not drop items after 10 wins either.

I think it has to do with the fact that we have to pay for the MC and Cash Shop challengers. The regular and other secret challengers are free, the only thing that limits you is your skill and pet stats. It seems to be a matter of affordability.

Should we get more loot if we can pay more to battle? That is a question that needs more opinions from both sides.

(Personally, I'm for it. But I also have every challenger unlocked. There are 72 cash shop challengers, which would cost about 18,000 CSC ($180 / 2b sP) to unlock. Imagine having to pay for that as a beginner battler.)

I only have a couple of the CSC challengers (5-10), and I support this.

There is definitely validity to the question of "should we get more loot if we can pay more to battle?" But my thinking- I still think it's pretty fair. You can be a free-to-play person and still obtain these CSC challengers. Between the bath house and being able to buy CSC from other players with sP- these challengers aren't beyond the scope of any player. <insert grumble about how it's difficult to get my hands on some of the oldest challengers... they should definitely be brought back monthly like the donation presents...>

I also really support being able to get amulets/tomes after, because right now, I've paid for the opponents, and then completely forgotten about them. I have no reason to complete more battles and test my pet beyond the first 10. As compared to the rest of the normal and secret, many of which I have hundreds of wins against. I think all of the opponents should be universal with their rewards past 10. It's a reward for going above and beyond! And having this whole section of challengers be without that reward, it seems a bit unfair.

I'll never say no to more amulets and tomes dropped past 10 wins. It's bothered me too that MC and CSC challengers don't drop anything past 10 wins.

Who cares about things being fair? Life's not fair. Even if you're just getting started, if you keep at it for 2 years, you'll have plenty of CSC challengers to reap the benefits from. Generally speaking, if you get into battling, you know what you're getting yourself into due to it being an expensive hobby.

Plus, Black Friday sale usually has past CSC challengers back in, so really, the argument falls flat.

Since Subeta/Battling are games, I think 'fairness' is an appropriate thing to question. Everything has to be accessible to everyone at some point or what is the point? Battling already has a huge learning/affordability curve and making it even harder for players to have an equal opportunity to succeed is something we need to consider whether or not we want to contribute to.

Don't forget longtime battlers have come and gone. Newer battlers will eventually replace them. So really, I don't see the problem. We all started at zero and worked our way up. That goes for any game ever made in existence, not just Subeta/battling.

It's sad I never noticed it was specifically the MC challengers... I just knew some randomly didn't drop things for me lol.

Newer players are probably better off moving forward, but (like metroid said) at the same time many challengers come back up for sale during holidays. And heck, they have it better than we did with two guaranteed new challengers every month! ;) Plus 250csc is 100% doable even for a very casual free to play player. And if csc challengers begin dropping amulets and tomes, the players can farm and sell to get their money back quicker or get stronger much faster.

I recently discovered the bathhouse ping group... I'm amazed by how much csc and other great stuff it drops o.0

Very good points! It's not like subeta doesn't allow csc to be traded for site currencies, with dedication anyone can be a battler! Also btw- is there a guide for amulet/tome farming? I've got the start of one on my hydrus xotl's page. I still have tons of drop info on my phone i haven't coded in, but I'll contribute it if there isn't one yet ^-^

none that I'm aware of. But yes, please feel free to contribute! I can link to your page through the battle guide when you get finished (lord knows I need to go back through that and update it)

Very cool! Would I be allowed to make a forum post instead or will subeta lock it after a while? I've already drawn Mezcal's design, just haven't lined it on the tablet yet... so eventually he will have a profile lol

- I know!!! I'm on a 589 day streak after unfortunately missing a day close to 200 last time. It drops SO MUCH good stuff. All my currencies thank me for repeated visits.

And after that much time, I've gotten a ton of CSC. I think it works out to 150 CSC every 30 day cycle. (Though I could be making that up.) Considering I've had 19 cycles so far...

Fairness and the appearance of fairness are pretty important, but I'm not sure adding amulets, tomes, and mod crystals to CS challengers after 10 wins would be unfair. Most of the barrier to getting these off regular and secret challengers is the time sunk in training a pet and sP/csc in appropriate weapons and scrolls. And CS challengers already offer some battle staples (Paintbrush Blades, Bear Head Bomb, Aftershocks, Gift of the Forj).

Maybe an objection would be that it's pay to win, but are these items even winning let alone much of an advantage to have a paid source of? Buying the challengers gives you nothing without a pet that can beat them, so it's not really buying your way to power or progression.

I guess it might have more to do with the value the staff wants these items to have and getting people to do Quentin's quests by making them a long term 'reliable' source of amulets. (Dear Quentin, please actually give me amulets instead of just teasing me with the possibility.)

Wow, that's a long streak, even with the day missed! Also I just saw your (literal) "mini grumble" lol, how did you make it so tiny? I'm in the same boat, definitely missing a few I'd looooove to get my grubby little hands on!

Exactly! Putting stat boosters in the cash shop would be unfair... but grinding for them via cash shop challengers is crazy hard work! Or the the very least: time consuming. Also yes, Quentin needs to get with the program. It should be at least one guaranteed amulet on 10th quest because I know we all have alot of days where we overpay like mad and still get nothing T.T And it's not like amulets are even 100% useful since 9 out of 10 break lol

There are actually cash shop stat boosters. There were stat boosting tomes (which were also readable books), charms, and a minion. The charms and minion were even for sale last Black Friday (Books too, plz). Which I guess maybe helps make the argument that adding loot to CS challengers past 10 wins being more or less OKish. It's also worth noting the intellect boosters in the form of books are sold in the cash shop.

Ah, the little grumble is from the (size=5pt)Text(/size) tags! (But with [square] brackets instead.) I made a topic a few months ago about bringing back the challengers by month (Un-retire old CS battle challengers by month), and while it did gain some positive feedback and traction, it was never really picked up by staff. The proposal was to simply bring back the monthly challengers in the month they were originally released. No discount or anything- just bring them back. That way, newcomers could look at it as "do I want to spend $10 in challengers this month?" vs "do I want to spend $200 in November during the BF sale?" I'm missing so many challengers, but I know come November, I'll only buy a handful simply because it's so much money at once.

And I agree some more with newer comments. There are already stat boosters available for purchase in the cash shop. There's already a pay-to-win mechanic in place thanks to autotraining, but it still takes considerable time to train up a pet.

It's one argument if staff don't want the market flooded with extra tomes or amulets, but meh, I don't think it would disrupt the balance that much. I also think adding tomes/amulets would have the affect of selling more opponents, which is a plus for Subeta. Because I know I'm not really interested in spending 250 CSC for a very easy challenger. It'll be a few thousand experience, with no further benefit really.

If CSC challengers were the only way to get tomes and amulets, that would be a little unfair. Since this isn't the case, then I don't think anybody would care that much if people got more out of their CSC challengers. It sounds like the only benefit CSC challengers get over regular ones is the exclusive loot anyway, and it's like that would change either.

Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, since my pet is only T4 and the only time I bought a challenger was so I could put it in my gallery. It just doesn't sound like much would change if you could also farm from CSC challengers too.

I didn't know about the plushies and tomes being in cash shop, I'm sure they were a crazy expensive way to level xD Not sure if I'd count books tbh, those are so expensive, it's cheaper to buy keys and other intel boosters from shops!

Oh, I didn't know that worked in forums!^-^ They could even just release one repeat challenger per person, that way they wouldn't get devalued. Very true also. It works for me because I work from home now so I'm always at the computer and train ALL of my pets lol, but for most people yeah it's kinda like boom, done.

You are right! Also the newer CSC challengers give way more experience than the old ones so if you do buy any, opt for the newer releases :)

The charms were 25csc and the minion was 100, both half off for Black Friday. So, maybe worth it compared to tomes depending on how high a tier your pet is. I think the charms gave 9 of strength, defense, or speed depending in the one you got, but I don’t remember what the minion gave.

To be honest, the books are pretty much all I buy from the cash shop.

Edit: the minion gives 2-3 strength, defense, health, and speed. So tomish, but no level or intellect, and 50-100csc per item.

At half off the minions don't sound too shabby! Well... back then anyway, you can get 3 tomes for 100csc nowadays lol. Charms do sound great for targeted leveling, if they ever come back I'll try to snag a few.

Just normal books or are there special ones in there now?

Depends on how you define special :P For 250csc the Fringe magazines offer either a wearable or +1 intellect if your pet hasn't read them yet.

Charms have been back for BF the past couple years, so they'll probably be back this year too. I want to say they were 13csc but I can't really remember. Something around there.