I've been mulling on this since we got the 'Other' option for the user profile. Before that came along if you felt uncomfortable at having to choose male or female on your profile, you just didn't choose. I didn't like either label, so I didn't choose a label. But having the 'Other' option was undoubtedly an improvement- I had a label that fit, and being able to have one rather than just not choosing. That felt nice.

For me, personally, I can fit this onto the idea that I'd like this option for pet creation- you can choose 'Other' from the get-go. Right now you don't even get to leave your pet's gender blank, you have to pick between one of two genders.

There's the genderless berry, of course. So as it stands, your pet can be male, female- and if not then it has no gender at all. And there's a big, big spectrum outside of that. In a way the 'Genderless' option is similar to the blank space on the user profile before the 'Other' option was added- except you need to pay for it, it doesn't come automatically. You can't even pay for it at pet creation, you need to adopt a gendered pet first before obtaining the Berry.

The last time I brought this up, I got shot down pretty quickly by other users, so good luck.

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Oh man, ;-;. Ty lmao. Also wait just realized I pinged you instead of like, the other thing subeta lets you do (does that actually make a difference do you get a notice anyway lmao).

edit: i should actually probably ping you in this lmao!

No, only pings will send notifications. What you wanted to do was use the user sCode, like this:

That'll just make a hoverable username thingy but it won't ping the user c: This is off topic though so I'll leave it at that, check out the sCode reference for more stuff like this.

[edit] FWIW I'm in support of having three gender options on the pet creation screen (Male, Female, Genderless) so that you don't have to pay to have a genderless pet in the first place, you just have to pay if you want to change it. I'm also in support of adding another gender option that isn't Genderless but just "Nonbinary" (as an umbrella term) or something like that.

Just a reminder, I'm not in charge of these decisions here, I'm just a coder and not involved with content.

I mean, I wouldn't use it but it wouldn't hurt my experience here. However, I do agree that if the option comes up, it should be from the get-go. The berry already feels weird to me in that you have to work for a blank slate pet which is... eh? If you want to change it, then sure, that's up to you but right now, you don't even get a choice in the matter.

Ohh ty! And !! Yess same big mood . Honestly I don't mind the Genderless option being only purchasable (although actually maybe I do since steamwork pets or whatever get it automatically but I haven't noticed it much so I can't say anything there Yikes)- but definitely I think that a non-binary option should be separate from simply being 'Genderless'. (i mean nb is an umbrella term containing agender too, i mean err man im making a mess of this reply im on mobile and have no spirit in me to edit this to sound coherent) (but! the fact we get agender and not the broader nb option makes me feel like we ought to get nb as an option from the start lmao).

!! also ayy i getcha lmao wheezes i also just started going through the forum and finding other similar-ish posts in the past ahh i see what you meant now by getting shot down lmao :s

full support. i like options. this is beside the point, but personally i think the only one that should be locked-in as your first choice/locked behind a paywall is the steamwork gear icon.

(and... this isn't entirely related, but if it was possible, i'd advocate for no icon being a legitimate option too. i really like halidom being without an icon, and wish i could have more than one like it.)

You may be interested in this thread :)

Pets can also be and, if I'm remembering correctly, a few of the first created zentu came with no 'gender' image at all. special pets

Anyway, I'd be for this being changed/added to when a pet is made! :D If we have the option to make the pet that later, why not when it is made to begin with, since it's gender?

And, I kind of like the berry being called genderless, but I also see why you'd want it to be something else, or maybe even a different one altogether? [sub](then again, this come from someone who's been pretty fond of 'neuter' so i'm probably terrible to be weighing in)[/sub]

[edit]wow, this thread is busy. there was, like, a couple of posts when I started typing this. haha.

Ohh, yes please !! :o I'd love to see that thread tbh (honestly you can probably tell I don't come on the forums much any more lmao) (1000% support for genderfluid berry lmao)

And yep!! I think I'm campaigning for something different certainly- genderfluid and agender fall inside the non-binary umbrella, so I guess having those (and hopefully genderfluid berry in the future), makes me want the umbrella term even more?

Lmao I imagine that you mean it wouldn't hurt your experience here, and I agree completely !!

o.o ohh man i'm bad with terminologies, 'no icon'? (//wheezes what are icons again oh man) (i........ don't work on my pets often either >.>)

I did. Thanks for pointing that out, I edited it before anyone got the wrong idea. D:

Ohh yep!! What I'm sorta trying to say is that the Genderless Berry doesn't need to be changed for me? Having an option for a Genderless pet is good.

But being able to have a non-binary pet from the get-go seems like a good idea too since being Genderless falls inside the non-binary umbrella. I mean like aside from agender you can be genderfluid or just identify as non-binary if you don't really have any other labels for yourself- so having the NB option from initial adoption is something I really get behind ayy!

(also same i posted a reply just now and there was another reply above mine that hadn't been there when i started writing that reply) (lmao!) (wait does that sentence sound coherent oh man) (wheezes) (//hands u cookies i'm so incoherent i'm sorry friend)

wheezes awesome tysm @

lmao !! big mood ahhhhh it's really the principle that feels wrong to me, having to pay for it, and having that as your only option? :s

edit: by principle i mean sorta that, the actual cost of the berry isn't high and it's very obtainable, but the fact that it's something you need to buy?? rather than something that comes as an option. if there were other NB options i could see why you might pay for your pet to be genderless, it kind-of makes sense lorewise, but as the only NB option right now it doesn't feel very right.

!!! i'm gonna post on that so fast omg thank you

halidom was one of the very first zentu who, like mentioned, had no gender specified when they were created (even though people were specifically going for male/female ones in the pool and all). so instead of halidom the (gender icon) common experiment 870, i just have halidom the common experiment 870, with no icon or extra space c: i think most of the glitched zentu were fixed early on so they're hard to find now -- mine was very lucky pound find.

It irks me too, and I have no need for it. If that's all people get as a choice, then the paywall is just unfortunate, but it's more unfortunate for the people who already paid because that's all they had.

Ohhh man I see !! That makes sense- I actually had to er. Look on other threads and only now. Like. 4 years in to subeta, do I realize that icons in pet names are a thing.

Oh man. //wheezes

I'm dying this is like. How have I never noticed. I mean I guess I just always saw and never noticed what am I doing with life. I just went on the main news page and navigated through a week's worth of spotlight pets and???? LMAO!!

But !! Halidom is awesome cool O____O. Thaz amazin'. XD Same I'd just. I really like the no-icon idea actually. Having it be a legitimate thing sounds... really nice. O_O (do genderless berry pets have an icon ahh) (oh man i'm so ignorant) (Yikes) (ty friend u have educated me so much in the past 10 minutes lmao)

they can be easy to miss since they're so small and people seem to write the word out for custom profiles, i think :? i skim over/ignore it about half the time i look at pet profiles, it seems ;>>

there's only four icons right now, male, female, a little grey circle for genderless, and steamwork gear for steamwork pets that are built (and if you change the color of a steamwork gear pet, i think it becomes the genderless circle?)... which is cool and all but a little restrictive and i just. really like options so i hope yours' and the other suggestions get more support ;w;

Genderless pets (non-steamwork) have a little next to their name instead of the male or female symbol.

I think an NB option at pet creation would be pretty cool, maybe make the symbol like a little rainbow or something.

Does NB have its own flag? Those colours would be more appropriate than just a regular rainbow (it's too broad).