so first off love the forum squish!! it makes the forums feel less dead and i really appreciate it ❤️

thing is though, i feel like the current rules regarding bumping and necroing threads need to go. they serve no purpose and if anything actively make the forum experience worse. some days ago i asked a friend to bump my art thread which hadn't been posted on in two years and fell off the front page - only for it to get locked. so i had to remake it and now have two of the exact same thread on the front page of the art forums?? how is this supposed to be less spammy than just letting me use my old thread lol...........

so my suggestions are two basically:

• let people post multiple times in a row
• let people necro old threads - 6 months is not old

there's so few people actively using these forums i don't think they need to be moderated so aggressively. has spam actually been an issue on subeta anytime in the past 15 years lmao??

for the necro rule if it is that much of a concern maybe make it dependant on the subforum? i honestly feel like any kind of selling thread should be allowed to live indefinitely, like if i'm still selling the same thing i was selling 5 years ago just let me use the same thread lol. a necro rule makes more sense for discussion threads but it's gotta be way more generous, 6 months is nothing

I would like to be able to double post. Any guides I make or do are not stickied. I can't get them stickied. So I have to currently rely on other users to bump my battle guide thread. And if nobody bumps it in a long time and I myself can't post to bump it back up, then it falls off the first page.

The necro rules need to go. There are some forums I don't go near at all because the necro rules are shorter and I can't be bothered to look around to see if it's okay to post. It can take one person to recvie a conversation but for some reason, this is seen as a bad thing! No wonder people prefer Discord.

We don't have the player or forum activity to justify it.

I don't even understand why the necro rule is a thing. Maybe for really old selling/commission threads if the owner isn't active or something, but for the most part why create a new thread for something that already exists? Just because some random discussion hasn't been posted on in a while doesn't mean it should have to go away or be started over, as long as there aren't multiple topics about the same thing at once. And yeah, CW shop threads, and advertising should be able to be necro'd as long it's by the owner posting an update or pinging an advertising group or whatever. Why clutter the forums with multiple threads, when the old one will still exist taking up space?

The necro rule was more relevant when the forums were more active. However, I still have no desire to revive a however old thread that people may or may not reply to. Same for posting multiple times in a row. That gets spammy quick, I can get the gist behind both but...

That's a no from me, fam.

Outside of sales forums, I wouldn't like to see people be able to post multiple times in a row. Most other sites do it that way - bumping is allowed in sales and commerce forums, and it's not allowed elsewhere. That's a fine middle point for me.

Same for the necro rule. Remove it in the commerce forums, keep it everywhere else.

We don't need to see a lot of 2011 threads being brought back because someone wants their 100 posts for Blue Building.

how would letting people bump threads get spammy though? ;; if anything it's far more spammy to have the same exact thread remade because the old one was 7 months old (and 99% probably still on the front page because the forums are so slow)

i don't really get the "but someone might revive a 2011 thread" argument because nothing's stopping someone from doing that now? the threads aren't automatically locked. i don't think we should be making the forum experience worse for the average user just in case one day down the line someone decides to go on a spamming spree

I'm with on this! I know rule changes can be scary but we often get stuck on "what-if" scenarios, and, to be honest, I doubt people are going to go crazy with spamming the forums. I'd be okay with the compromise that double posting/bumping would only be allowed in the advertising forums, but I'd be willing to experiment with letting these new changes apply to the forums as a whole.

I wouldn't mind the necro rule for threads that are...say, over a year old? But it's a bit restrictive for 6 months when some forums like the art sale forums are very inactive and I've occasionally seen threads that are over 6 months old still on the first page. I also wouldn't mind a middle ground for double posting, like people are only allowed to double post on the same thread once a day or something so it doesn't become spammy. If a daily bump seems like it's spamming, then that just means the forum isn't active enough.

For example, say I made a thread in art sale advertising my stuff and I get a few posts, then there's no activity on the thread after a month or two and I've since updated my prices and I was the last person to post on the thread. But then I can't double post to notify people that I've updated my prices nor can I make a new thread with my revised prices because it hasn't moved past the first page. I'm using this as a scenario because this actually did happen to me and it just caused me to lose interest in trying, so I moved my business elsewhere. "But Kat!" You say. "Why not get a friend to post and bump your thread again?" I have had to do this before, but I also don't like bothering people about it and it's essentially double posting except with another person, ykwim?

I fully support eliminating or at least lengthening the Necro rule. I don't see why we can't "revive" a two year old thread in discussion areas. It's been a while, forums are slow - why remake a topic when we can revisit it with fresh eyes?

I'm pretty ambivalent on the double post rule, but I see it more as likely being helpful than resulting in spamming so I support it. We have anti-spamming rules already, so that would still be in place and a barrier to abuse of this.

I don't think someone is going to make a lot of spamming posts on one thread back to back for things like blue building when there are so many forum game options that can get them the forum engagement points easily without breaking anti-spam rules.

I don't really see a reason not to make these changes honestly.

It would be spammy in the sense of 5-50 (facetious example) posts of "BUMP!" I've seen elsewhere.

You lose vital information. I don't get why this is somehow worthy of scorn??? Do you - general, not you specifically - want to bury information in said thread to the point of I simply don't bother with the thread???

But I am in full support of letting the necro rules go, or lengthening them significantly. Of course topic that are say... 2-3 years old probably aren't relevant anymore, but 6 months is so little time when the forum moves so slowly.

I agree that we often get caught up in 'what ifs' scenarios on this site, whenever a change is suggested. The reality is that Subeta is not a young hip site with a ton of 13-15 years old. Most of the userbase is in their late 20s-30s or even older. With a more mature userbase, we can certainly handle more lenient necro rules, and ever double posting. Unsure about the bump, unless it has strict rules of 'one bump allowed per week for sales forums only', but I can see double posting for guides, or CW board etc. being useful

I think it would be dependent on the thread for "bumping". For example, if I'm bumping my guide, it could actually be a post where i say, 'hey, i cleaned or changed some stuff in sections X, Y, Z, be sure to check it out!".

And then for commerce, well, let's be honest, that place is now a mess with CWs mixed in with regular items. I'm never looking for CWs, just regular site items. So bumping my thread of what I'm seeking would help. Cause trying to find a seller for a really rare item takes awhile. And i don't want to have to wait til the thread falls off the first page to remake the thread.

Is there really a need to remove the necro rule outside commerce forums? Because I don't really see any.

Maybe art shops? Cause someone might close their art shop for a while, then be back 6 months later.

Art shops is part of commerce to me, but yeah, it does make sense.

yeah but without being bumped the thread falls into obscurity so whatever information is on there is still hard to find because the thread itself is hard to find. besides with how slow these forums move i highly doubt a thread would get bumped more than once every few months anyway, so i don't think it would get to the point where there's multiple threads with like 80 pages of bumps lol

say there's a thread about a piece of media that hasn't been posted on in two years. why shouldn't someone revive the thread if they want to add to the discussion and invite more people to talk about it? because the alternative is they're going to make a new thread about the same exact thing and it just feels kinda pointless imo

Doesn't feel pointless to me, especially since most of the people who originally posted in that thread may not even be playing anymore.

A shiny and new thread is more interesting to me.

honestly it's kind of ridiculous that a thread can be active for like 10 years but the second the conversation lapses for 6 months, the next person to post gets scolded for "reviving" an old thread and it gets locked and now no one else can ever contribute to it again.

i just don't understand the logic there. subeta is a small site with a small userbase, and most everyone has some sort of life outside the site. there are going to be gaps in conversations; it doesn't mean the information or discussion contained within the thread is defunct or deprecated.

for the record double posting has already been implemented on the kumos forums (unless it's been changed since the last time i checked).

I should hope not eighty or anywhere close and it isn't that I'm lazy about reading it, oh no. It just seems like... Idk, a recipe for disaster in ways.

But that's where I keep coming back to and why I hesitate is someone ultimately will have to try that limit and we'll be back here.