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Nov 27, 2017 8 years ago Official
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It's been pushed :) New topic for it: Item Vault Updates Don't go on my dev site anymore haha. I'll have a separate one for beta testing from now on :D

The new vault hasn't been pushed yet. It's on my development site, so that's where the link will take you. However I also use this for other stuff. I'll try to leave the vault up for testing whenever I can. However, if I have to switch out, I will close access to my development site while I'm doing whatever I need to do. If you get an error message telling you it's a dev site and to head back to Subeta, that means I'm doing something on there, so just wait a while and check back later.

Other than that, do not do anything on the dev site other than test the vault. Don't visit other pages or play Subeta there. It's pretty much identical to this site, except it's not guaranteed to be stable, and if you get into trouble there I can't really help you out since you were warned.

Pages you can use on the dev site: Vault, Your shops, Quick stock, and Inventory These are the pages included in the testing. These last three are for testing moving items into the vault.

My dev site has some other quirks (for instance, floating items will open in a new page instead of a pop-up) - If it's not related to the vault, please don't report it lol. My dev is a strange and scary place XD

This is a long post but please read it all if you wish to help test. Thanks! <3

New vault features and fixes

These problems were fixed in this version of the vault:

Searching only grabs page 1 - Mentioned in topics Vault search, Cannot access page 2 of vault search, and Filter Vault by rarity only works on 1st page for instance. Difficulty combining search filters - Sometimes it's possible but unintuitive/difficult, such as when filtering by rarity and stack size at the same time. Other combinations of search filters simply can't be done. Glitchy caching - Mentioned here Vault - Cache?

Here's what the new vault features:

  • Easier search filters - The old search filters (a combination of clicking and typing) have been rewritten as a form where you can select exactly what you want to filter by, and it'll work.
  • Search past page 1 of results - Yup, you can now browse all the pages of your search results.
  • More accurate cache invalidation - Things should no longer linger in the cache after you change them.

Finally, a few other tiny things:

  • Quick vault quantity doesn't jump like 10, 25, 50 anymore, it just has all the numbers from 1 to 50. Hopefully that's better?
  • Categories are listed alphabetically. (More on this below.)
  • Sorting options can each be ascending or descending now. (Previously, only userprice had both ascending/descending options - the rest were ascending only.)

VAULT CATEGORIES Also part of the rewrite I added a categories page. On this page, you can create, delete, and rename vault categories. The page has instructions on how to do these things. Please note: Custom ordering is not currently possible, but vault categories will show up alphabetically in the new vault, so you could put a number in front of each name (for instance) to force an ordering for now. (We ARE planning to add custom ordering in the future.)

Feedback

Okay so, here is the link to the beta vault. Feel free to use it like you'd normally use your vault - that is, use it instead of the vault on site for a couple days and see how it works for you.

What I'm primarily looking for feedback on:

  • Does it work? If anything is broken, please let me know asap - including the caching. (And I guess it's worth repeating the reminder that exploiting a glitch can get you in trouble, so if you find a way to dupe items or something, just report it and don't abuse it.)
  • Is it really slow compared to the old vault? If you get any complete timeouts that don't go away after a page refresh or two, please let me know.

BEFORE REPORTING A BUG

  • Make sure you're actually on my dev site (bug.dev.subeta rather than subeta)
  • Clear your custom CSS to make sure it's not a conflict with the custom code
  • Check your zoom (for instance, many people view Subeta zoomed in or out - the dev site will NOT have the same settings by default)
  • Check your browser extensions and settings (something might be blocking the Javascript)
  • Make sure the bug happens to you more than once; if you can't reproduce it, it could've been a one-time fluke or due to random lag/unrelated factors.

WHEN REPORTING A BUG I need this information:

  • Browser and browser version
  • Operating system + version
  • What device are you on (laptop, mobile, tablet, etc) If you can give instructions on how I can trigger the bug for myself, that would be super helpful :D Otherwise I'll ask you questions to try and get more info.

Okay go check it out and let me know how it goes :D

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Nov 27, 2017 8 years ago
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The error message I get is not the one you have listed in the above. I get "Oh No! Sorry! This page is currently being tested by our Gold Account users! That means only GA users currently have access. It will be opened to the general public once the testing phase is done!"

I have a GA going. I am not logged out.

Google Chrome OS and Google Chrome Browser, they both automatically update although now that I look I see that it needs a restart today, and Lenovo ThinkCentre chromebox machine

Nov 27, 2017 8 years ago
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Oh geez. Thank you so much, can you try now?

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Nov 27, 2017 8 years ago
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I can get in now. I have x ed an item out and this works. I have done a remove all and this works. The Wizard Exchange feature works. That first section's links out work.

No delays or slows so far.

Nov 27, 2017 8 years ago
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Awesome. Thank you for trying it out! (I only revamped the item section, not currencies, btw! But good to know nothing on that side of things broke so far.)

Sorry I made a mistake at first restricting the access to GA users... that was embarrassing "^^

Ideally I'd love if people here could bookmark this page and try to use it whenever you'd normally go to the item vault, so you can get an idea of how it works if you use it regularly, and if anything about it could be improved from that standpoint too :)

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Nov 27, 2017 8 years ago
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rereads OP more carefully time wasted checking links because stupid, grrr

I just did a batch from Vault to Shop, and back. This works and the items show up in beta Vault right away. No way to tell about speed with batches

I just did a check all dump into Inventory and back. This works quickly and items show up in beta Vault right away..

I personally am finding the numbers column too narrow for my hand control, the workaround involves using my mouse's scrollwheel which has taken the brunt of too many drops to the floor. My meta comment on making this continuous is that the Vault never was meant to act like a shop or enable easy access in and out of large numbers of items.

Nov 27, 2017 8 years ago Official
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Well we're not really interested in removing features (like mass moving items in and out) and in any case the limit of 50 is something we've found to be reasonable - it's not too large but still lets you move a lot at once. If the numbers column is too narrow, would it help if we increased the font-size / padding of that dropdown menu? What if we changed it to an input box where you could just type a number, instead of having to select a number from a dropdown?

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Nov 27, 2017 8 years ago
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Yeah, I'm opinionated and I know it, I really don't mind.

Me, I am always in favor of typing because I type very quickly and accurately when my fingers do work. However typing was an obvs answer to the work on Item Boxes that is working on and I got an "oh no-no-no, we do not shudder type things clicks only sweetie" from her, so I do not Suggest it here. If typing is OK, then make it like the boxes in Shops, which already are known to work

If the column was discrete like it was before then I don't have to worry about staying within it for long, so changing it back is my personal choice. Me, I like to control my fontsize via browser options and OS options instead of forcing any particular site to change fontsize. It is more important that no particular item that is in relation to any other item in such a way that one blows up all over the page if magnified or becomes unusably small if shrunk. Therefore I do not Suggest fontsize change here. If the column that the numbers are in is wider, then if I tremble or slip a little I stay in the column, so I would prefer that, please.

Nov 27, 2017 8 years ago
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To rename a category, click on the category&;s name to edit it, and press enter when you are done.
I don't think this is working quite as advertised...

clicking outside of the field and refreshing does nothing, unless THAT is heavily cached. [edit] umm Firefox 57.0 Windows 7 laptop

...lastly that's a feature not a bug I guess, but... really Bug? Really? :)

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Nov 27, 2017 8 years ago Official
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Your image isn't clear to me. Can you please describe what you're doing and what the error is?

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Nov 27, 2017 8 years ago
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On the edit categories page, you are supposed to be able to click the category's name to edit it (that works) and then confirm it with an enter (that... does not seem to work, it just.... adds new lines) In fact I haven't been able to rename a category at all. Deleting and creating new ones seems to work just fine though :)

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Nov 27, 2017 8 years ago Official
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Thanks for clarifying, I'll look into it and be back with an update asap.

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Nov 28, 2017 8 years ago
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So far, aside from experiencing the same issue that Silverfish reported (I'm using Win7, Firefox Quantum), the new vault seems to be functioning correctly. Searching allowed me to specify all the right things, and pagination when searching worked just fine.

[edit] I forgot to mention that it seemed just as quick to load as the current vault, even when searching a large quantity return (like all of my r175 items) - faster maybe.

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Nov 28, 2017 8 years ago
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Im not terribly tech savvy, when I go in from your link, its auto set to 'none' in the Category box, it took me a minute to realise that thats where your categories are hiding and you have to choose one to see the items, also when I go into the vault its set at 'none' so when I typed Oofa fruit and search it came back with none found, until I selected the 'All' Category, and it found them, Im sure people will get used to this, I just found it a bit weird. Ive taken a coupon out and a plushie, when I put them back in, I cannot see them, they do appear if I do a search whilst in the 'none' or 'all' categories and it says they are in the none category. is this the cache happening?
Im on Google Chrome Win7 pc. I've done ctrl & f5 to clear my cache a few times, is this enough to clear it?

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Nov 28, 2017 8 years ago Official
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What do you mean by saying you cannot see them? It sounds like you can see them, since they show up if you filter by 'none' or 'all' categories. They wouldn't show up if you have the filter set to anything else, because they would be in the 'none' category if you just moved them into your vault. EDIT: I think I know what you mean, is that they don't show up after you move them back into the vault, unless you do a search first? Cuz I think that's part of the caching that was overlooked since it doesn't happen on the vault page itself (but rather from use item/quickstock). I'll look at fixing that up!

As for the intuitiveness of the dropdown, other than labeling it with the word "Category" I'm not sure what could be done. We don't want to set it to 'all' by default because:

  1. The current vault also views 'no category' items by default
  2. Viewing all of the items would put a lot more strain on the server, since it's literally asking for every single item in your vault, on the homepage.

The reason it's set to 'none' is because that's what the homepage shows. I could show things in no category, but set the dropdown to 'all' by default - but that could be confusing since it doesn't match what the page is showing.

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Nov 28, 2017 8 years ago
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That new vault is looking great!

The one thing I would say that could be improved, is that when I have changed the sort order to "stack size" go to page 6, then removed three sets of items and put in my pin.... the vault still displays page 6, but the sort order has defaulted back to name, which kind of makes it pointless still showing the page number I was on before, as the sort order then changes! So, either could it take you back to page one, or (even better) could the sort order remain the same, as otherwise I think it'll get confusing ;)

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Nov 28, 2017 8 years ago
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The new vault looks nice, neat and tidy. I like the options at the top of the page too.

While I don't use the rename/create category option what I do use the vault for works well and going from page to page actually works!

The only thing I miss is the option to click on the piccy to select an item instead of the tick box only because sometimes my old eyes don't work well, however that is something that I can (and maybe others) can get used to. :)

Thank you again for looking into this for all of us Bug. 👍

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Nov 29, 2017 8 years ago Official
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Made a bunch of fixes based on things you guys reported, thank you!!

Editing category names This was broken on Firefox due to how it detects the "enter" key, and has now been fixed to work as it should.

Caching when moving things into the vault Moving items into the vault from the Use Item page and from the Quick stock page should show up immediately now because the cache takes it into account now.

Redirecting after moving items mentioned this, "The one thing I would say that could be improved, is that when I have changed the sort order to "stack size" go to page 6, then removed three sets of items and put in my pin.... the vault still displays page 6, but the sort order has defaulted back to name, which kind of makes it pointless still showing the page number I was on before, as the sort order then changes!" It should now redirect with the correct search parameters, not just the page number.

Selecting items by clicking the item picture mentioned this, "The only thing I miss is the option to click on the piccy to select an item instead of the tick box only because sometimes my old eyes don't work well, however that is something that I can (and maybe others) can get used to. 😊" So now clicking the item name and image both work to select the check box.

I think what you said is pretty unfair to Amber, because typing a pet name versus typing a number are two different things. It doesn't take much thought or effort to type "15" to remove 15 items, or to type "6000 sP" to price an item in your shop. But if I had to type the name "angry pointy thing" every time I wanted to read a book to my mortiking, it would be way too much typing for me! That's because pet names can be long and complex, whereas numbers are usually not that long or complicated. So that's why it's not reasonable to type pet names on the Use Item page, but it might be reasonable to type the number on the vault page. Does that make sense?

Anyway, I experimented with the dropdown to try and make it easier for you. In the end what I did was increase the width of this column so that it's easier to stay within the dropdown when you are making the selection. Could you let me know if this helps at all? I will keep thinking about what other things I can do to make this accessible in the meantime.

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Nov 29, 2017 8 years ago
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This s to Bug, so the rest of you can tl:dr it unless the subject of data entry amuses you.

responded exactly in the same way there as you did there. I didn't pursue it because it didn't matter to me. As far as any changes she may like to make or not make to the Item Box, I will roll with it. Subeta has grown and changed a lot over the years, so adapting is something us old Subeta geezers can totally do.

I only raise the subject here, because if Subeta has a style policy of buttonry over typing, then as a matter of style you don't want to have a typing box in the Vault when a button would or could do the same thing.

It doesn't make sense, because you don't have to type the entirety of 'angry pointy thing' since the number of pets you or any other user can ever have (and therefore search for) is limited. In particular, the string 'gry" is pretty rare in English and would be enough. In Account Search or Shop Search "que inv" is good enough to get only "Subeautique Invitation" a longish string and this has to search the entire databsase of items instead of seventy pets. She and you are operating under the idea that the Item Box must be entirely literal, or that people are naming their pets James I, James II, James III etc.

I like the new width, it works well for me. Thank you!

Nov 29, 2017 8 years ago
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For the most part, it seems to be running smoothly. Adding items into a category is sometimes lagging though - the popup appears stating it's been moved but when I refresh the main page, it's still sitting there with no category. A couple items needed several tries to move.

[edit] But renaming worked perfectly!

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