As the title states, I'd love for the new bouquets to be added to the Vesnali shop after the wedding.

Currently, there is a major struggle in place for users to make these lovely arrangements. Those who weren't hoarding flowers already are now faced with the prospect of paying millions and millions of sp per bouquet, and/or trying their luck for the next few days with quests and floating flowers. However, there are hundreds of flowers in existence now, but only 12 types (60 flowers) can be used to make the bouquets. And since quests/floating draw randomly from the pool, a user currently has a ~18% chance of getting a "usable" flower. Now, factor in that each bouquet requires 1-3 of the same type of flower, and suddenly your odds of creating a bouquet drop dramatically.

I don't think it's unreasonable to state that the task of creating even one bouquet might be a very difficulty and daunting task to the casual player, let alone multiple bouquets. I understand that creating the 25 unique arrangements is supposed to be a challenge, and/or not obtainable to most. I'm not trying to be entitled to "completing the set", however I'm only imagining the prices down the line for these arrangements. Currently, the drop rate is abysmal for flowers, so I can't imagine a very large amount of bouquets are going to be created by Saturday. Then with every bouquet traded into Esther for coins, that's a handful of usable flowers out of the system, and one fewer bouquet to be used/sold down the line. So when the source for the bouquets closes up shop, what exactly is the price going to be for these creations?

And for those who say that the bouquets are a limited time reward for those who are active now? That's what the achievement is for. Making items be forever retired after an event lasting 5 days never really works out for future shop prices or new users.

So after the wedding, put them in the shop. Esther wouldn't want all these lovely bouquets just being thrown out! Can you imagine the joy she'd feel knowing that the arrangements are sitting in a vase full of water, brightening someone else's home? I don't care how what the price tiers are, so long as the people who really want one of each bouquet can get them. And that future users have a way to get this special event type item as well.

Another suggestion to this problem might be to make the bouquets available again next year during Vesnali. This is something that I do not want. For one, they're being made in celebration of a wedding. And assuming Emma and Ether's relationship is a stable one, there aren't going to be an infinite number of spring/flower weddings with other NPCs. Secondly, that's going to do nothing but drive up the prices of flowers. These 60 flowers are incredibly expensive now thanks to this event, and maintaining them in the future as the one source of the bouquets will only make their costs worse.

And finally- hoarding. Why should I ever give a flower to someone else if I know that the bouquet making might come back next year, likely with new arrangement styles? No, I'd rather collect as many as I can now, not give them away, and sit on them. (Because unlike many others, I have enough tokens to purchase everything I want this year.) At the start of this event, I gave ~40 flowers to my friends to celebrate the holiday and spread cheer, and now I'm kicking myself because I know some of them could've been used in the arrangements. And what am I going to do with my remaining 60 (that cannot be used in bouquets)? You guessed it- save them for next year on the off chance that this is an annual thing. It means I'm not posting on the boards as much, and I'm not gifting to my friends, which is honestly a shame.

tl;dr: Hoarding is bad, so put the bouquets in the Vesnali shop and don't make this an annual event. The achievement and invite should be the only "rare" things when this wedding is over.

I was kind of looking forward to seeing more bouquets next year, but you bring up a good point about the hoarding. The prices for these flowers went up super quickly, and I don't really see them dropping at least until after Vesnali. Now I do feel like next year could end up being even worse if these are brought back and new bouquets are introduced. And like you said, that also introduces a problem of people not giving out as many flowers to other users if they want to keep them for the bouquets.

A couple of small solutions might be to make the flowers going out through quests be only random ones of the 60 flowers that can be used to make the bouquets. Or just increase the rate of the 60 bouquet flowers in the regular floating flower appearances.

Achievements and new activities are nice, but yeah I'm not really a fan either of things that encourage hoarding. I thought we were trying to move away from things like that anyway.

[edit]If new bouquets are introduced next year, another suggestion would be to make them less specific to certain types of flowers. Maybe make them a bit more generic and let us turn in multiple different flowers as long as the colors match, and just up the number of flowers required to like 5 per bouquet or something.

Oh please for the love of everything YES. I'm trying to be patient with this because I know it's not supposed to be easy, but i'm getting frustrated. After about 3 hours I have a total of 4 flowers that can be used for bouquets. I still don't have the right combo/number of flowers to make even ONE bouquet though. I know there's still time to finish at least one, but with all the different flowers floating around site, I don't see that happening. At least not for me. I absolutely adore these items and would love to be able to obtain them.

I'm kind of perplexed that the bouquets and the flowers used to make them have to be so specific. Like... why??? Did you not remember what happened in the past when you made a thing require very specific ingredients/donations during a limited time? Why not make it like Charity with the food donations during Fireside - donate any kind of flowers, get a random bouquet as a reward. That'd make all the flowers equally valuable and any flowers you use would get "made into bouquets" anyway.

And yeah, I am bitter and upset with myself for selling/giving a shitton of flowers that were used for bouquets because it wasn't even slightly hinted that there would be a new feature incoming. Lesson learned.

Absolutely 100% agree with all of this. I was as active as I could be on the site all of last night - doing quests, clicking around to try to find floating flowers - and I ended up with three flowers that could be used in bouquets. That's it. With the extremely limited time frame, I'm probably not going to even be able to make ONE bouquet. The only way to accomplish it right now is to spend millions of sp on individual flowers, which still puts it out of reach of the majority of users. I like the idea of putting them as higher-price items in the Vesnali shop after the wedding; that makes the non-bouquet flowers more useful, too.

I also really like the idea of making it more like Fireside, but I doubt there'll be that big of a switch at this point. :( Like others have said, I wish there had been any hint that something like this was coming, because I'm kicking myself over dropping flowers at friends' houses too.

Yeah this reminds me of when baking was first introduced and all of the necessary ingredients were costing millions. At least baking is any time you want though, for this we only have a week.

@ Laurey Yup, and the baking stuff is restockable and vendable. This is time-limited, heavily luck-based and further restricted by the # of Vesnali flowers you can get from the pool. So if you're hoping to find a specific flower for a bouquet, you're kind of SOL if you're not favored by the RNG gods.

It had occurred to me as well that the bouquets could've been much less specific and much more attainable. As in, provide 3-8 (5 tiers) of flowers of the same color (or all different) to get a "Red Giant Bouquet" or "Rainbow Small Bouquet". Then every flower would've been equally as valuable and the bouquets more attainable. However, the hoarding argument still applies. People who had large stashes could make these easily, and the rest of the userbase is left struggling. Next year, the prices would be even more inflated. And at least now, there are a large portion of flowers that aren't usable as part of the bouquets, so people are still giving those to friends. But with every flower valuable, then again, what's the incentive?

Basically, staff should've made the bouquets less specific this year from the start. The same arguments could be made about hoarding and the future concerns, obviously. But we can't go back to that level of vagueness now that we have 25 highly specific arrangements.

I didn't really want to include it in the top post as it's not directly related to the suggestion of putting the existing bouquets in the shop, but as more of a improvement.

In general though, I don't get the bouquet thing. This should be used to bring down levels of common currency, not already inflate expensive and rare items! Seriously. Next Survival, give us a way to make special candy heart soups because I have 18k in currency already and don't need any more. But flowers are rare enough as is!

@ Chocolate I feel you on the currency, but I like hoarding mine in the event that something suddenly drops in the event shops (a la Yunium Key).

I do like the idea of making the bouquets buyable with Vesnali coins at the end of the event - but then again why would anyone bother making them when they could just as well wait 'til the end of the event and buy them? Might as well make them buyable from the start and entirely skip the crafting/donating portion of it.

(Also putting them in the shop cements the idea that this won't be an annual flustercuck of bouquet making, and we don't need to perma-hoard our flower stocks.)

Good points! Especially on the annual clusterfuck. x) If they do plan to release them in Esther's shop anyway, announcing it (or at least hinting at it) would be a stellar idea just so people don't have to fret and worry about not getting the bouquets they want in such a limited time.

tl;dr - This suggestion is good and I am still grouchy about the bouquets even though I only need a whooping 2. Support.

Yeah, it would have been better if they were less specific from the start. At least that way all flowers would have been the same value like you said, and it would be more reasonable to try finding some random ones instead of buying them for millions.

This was an okay idea for a different kind of event, but poor execution in making them require specific flowers and having people scramble for items that are already limited.

I absolutely agree. However do you think that maybe we could do something else with the flowers next year. I mean I generally hoard a few at least for pet tcs. but I'm giving away the ones not used in bouquets. maybe something for individual flowers or something? like holding the flowers as a wearable.

Hey, I'm all for using them in creative ways. So if staff wants to dream up something for next year, then awesome. The thing that I want is to make sure that whatever this new thing will treat the flowers equally. So you won't have some flowers jump into the millions of sp. And you won't have to pray to the RNG gods to grant you a certain flower (because right now, we're at 18% that it will be at all usable in the bouquet, and 1/339 that it will be the one you're looking for.)

That being said, hoarding is again the name of the game. Hoarding is going to happen regardless, and my original stash of ~50 was just because I liked the art. But making an indication that there will be an alternate use for the flowers will probably mean fewer go out via the boards and more people are likely to wait and sell. I dunno. Staff can pull off a future event, but like Laurey said, I think the execution on this one was wrong. (I mean, we're still operating on the assumption that it's only 5 days long!) I think they've upped the overall drop rate of flowers which is nice, but this'll still be a challenge.

Support to all, excellent points brought up. Just that, too tired to go more into this discussion after few hours on site and just 3(!) flowers needed for bouquets when I'd actually want to make at least 30 of them for WR and gallery purposes.

Vesnali was one of most laid back, easy events, with fabulous flower and coin rate. I feel this year those rates are smaller, that's one, and now the bouquets, all in such limited time...don't suck the fun out of Vesnali.

I had probably 100+ flowers hoarded from last year and I still don't have enough flowers to make any bouquets. Personally, I'd really prefer to see them come back (even if only a few came back at a time each year or something). Emma and Esther could always have an anniversary celebration, so it makes sense that they'd want the same kinds of bouquets they had at the wedding (just on a smaller scale). But I wouldn't mind making the bouquets available in Esther's shop either.

I really love the bouquet building concept, but I definitely would love to be able to purchase them post-event.

Ooh, maybe that's how they could tie in next year and still improve it. This year's are more specific, but it's for an actual wedding so of course they'd be a bit more extravagant.

Next year we could maybe get some more generic ones that will take any flower because anniversary bouquets wouldn't necessarily have to be as nice. That is if they get brought back.

At least the achievement is only for making 1 bouquet, that doesn't seem super unreasonable in a week if you save your flowers.

It would help a lot if the quests gave out the flowers required for making these bouquets.

I love the bouquet but if the flowers weren't as specific more people could use them and less could hoard.

Sell for a high price in Esther's is one alternative... adjusting the flowers... or even offer those particular ones on more quests?