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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Agreed, Shaggy
Some people might casually like the new a little bit more but the ones who are actually passionate about it are those who DON'T want it...no one's posted here saying they'd cry if the new one wasn't released!

Also, who says we have to offer constructive criticism? Saying "yaaaay this is sooo cute" wouldn't be constructive but people are never complained about saying stuff like that

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I liked how it was sitting down, it reminds me more of the pet starting with L and ending with E from another pet site, i liked how it sat down.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Wow. A big improvement I think. The anatomy is very well done, plus its a bit more realistic than the old one. Great job!

-FoxenWing

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Benton, insaulting it is not constructive critisism, untill you make somthing better I would suggest you not talk crud about it

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This is very hard... The art is amazing and I like the improvement of the anatomy and shading, but I sort of miss the thin and sleek look of the older version... hmmm

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It reminds me of the photo of the ugliest dog in the world.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

"In my humble opinion, those people's opinions are just as valid as the opinions of those with the current pet..."
Jessyta, only if their number of votes to agree with a revamp goes higher than that of the number of pets owned. Otherwise, thats biased.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

'Ew' is not constructive criticism.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Its an ugly dog thats trying to be cute in this version. =

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

First off, I don't think anyone should make assumptions about why people vote the way they do.

With that said, you missed my point Dickie. Some people's comments made it seem liek they thought thestaff of Subeta cared only about the art, and not the desires of the users. I was trying to show that wasn't the case.

@ Shaggy_Glucose, there is one major problem with your suggestion about two polls, and that is the fact that some people may not have a certain pet because of how the original looks, but they may be willing to get one should the revamp go thru. In my humble opinion, those people's opinions are just as valid as the opinions of those with the current pet...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ew; if that comes to be, ill abandon my telenine.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Please dont revamp the Chibi. Its so cute already, and it would be so sad if it was changed.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oops nvm it reappeared x-x....feels really stupid

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Where did my comment go...o-o?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ok..no...I voted old. Many have already stated what is wrong with this, and I totally agree. Though I may not own a telenine, and probably won't in the future, I still care about what I choose for the revamps.

The face is so boring from lack of expression that the telly was almost ALL about, the body is very rectangular, and I don't like the shading very much, but it's still ok I suppose . I also distaste the paws because they look so big and the anatomy isn't correct (unless the way I see and draw canines is incorrect). I could go on, I'm sorry artist, you tried but I know you can do better :3.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hemp, you stated my thoughts exactly.

Dickie you make a very good point about people voting for sP, and people who don't currently, and may never own a Tele voting for the new one for the underground of it.

I'm tempted to go make a suggestion topic reguarding this...have a poll for all users, and a seperate one ONLY for people that have the pet...for comparative purposes. But that'd probably be underground to code...

It seems to me most people posting here dislike the new version, and yet it's still creaming the old one as far as votes go. The people that actually take the time to read the comments here and post there own constructive critisism all seem to be in favor of keeping the old. Half the people that voted new probably don't even know how to comment on the news...but if they do, they obviously don't care enough about it to do so.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hemp, you stated my thoughts exactly.

Dickie you make a very good point about people voting for sP, and people who don't currently, and may never own a Tele voting for the new one for the underground of it.

I'm tempted to go make a suggestion topic reguarding this...have a poll for all users, and a seperate one ONLY for people that have the pet...for comparative purposes. But that'd probably be underground to code...

It seems to me most people posting here dislike the new version, and yet it's still creaming the old one as far as votes go. The people that actually take the time to read the comments here and post there own constructive critisism all seem to be in favor of keeping the old. Half the people that voted new probably don't even know how to comment on the news...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The thing, most of the revamps that have come through deserved a revamp and in most cases I've agree that the revamp is better suited for the site than the old version.

While it is true, I was never particularly a fan of the telenine, mostly due to the jarring colors it's in I don't really think it needed a revamp.

I think I'd be fine with the revamp if the anatomical errorst that it had were fixed because the new one does look better than the old in terms of shading and things of that nature.
I just can't reconcile myself with the anatomical errors I see in the new revamp.

If those were fixed then I would really have no problem with the revamp.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I voted for new. I believe that if this one wins, they can fix up the anatomy and stuff before it gets released for good. The old one was a little flat compared to this one.

The major reason why I wanted to get a Telenine when I first saw it was the facial expression. If you can transition that facial expression onto this one, I'll be happy.

And I hope the Spectrum, Chibi and Bloodred don't end up getting redrawn. That's because I adore them. And if you redraw Darkmatter, don't change the facial expression when you do; the Darkmatter Telenine's grin is the best thing about it.

Another reason I'm voting for new, is because some of the old colours (Cream, Sun, and Dawn) can get recoloured and such, because the combinations of colours on those ones, are just wrong and don't go together.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

My point exactly Hemp! I totally agree.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Every revamp gets more 'yes' votes than 'no'...it's because it's the first option and people click for the sP...also a lot of those votes will be newbie votes who probably will never own a telenine and just took a quick glance at the image.
There are probably more people opposed to this revamp than the original kumos one and that revamp was changed...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Folks, the staff knows and appriciates the fact that the users are an important part of the site, just as important as having high quality art.

If we didn't, you wouldn't even GET to vote on revamps. Nor would we listen to your constructive criticism.

The fact remains that at this point, a whopping 70% of users who have voted support the revamp. ((And yes, I realize it's a bit early and the numbers may change still)) So if the revamp goes thru, we are not only doing what we can to improve the quality of art on the site but ALSO keep as many of our players as happy as possible.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Revamps are not made to make users happy, rather to better the site. The new Telenines, Spectrum, Reborn, and Hydrus, are so, so lovely, and most everyone loves them, but letâ€™s face it, the old style, and the new colors did not fit together at all. They looked almost like different species to me, and the new revamp makes the Telenine fit in with the new Telenine. You have to pick a revamp not because it fits your personal tastes better, but rather the style of the site. Subeta needs to be consistent to look professional, at least I think so.

If revamps don't make users happy, then who's opinion is it that the site is bettered by them? Of course there will always be some dissatisfied users, but that's why we have different species, different colors, a choice of lively-faced pets or realistic ones, pets with big shiney eyes and pets with human eyes. So that's why I don't think the site is bettered by the prospect of realism. Personally I don't consider "realistic" necessarily being professional, either. I do think we should have some realistic pets, but not every "cartoony" common pet needs to be changed to that. The telenine is one of them that doesn't need that change, just more complex shading and new lineart at the most.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Wow, obviously I did not do a very good job of getting my point across.

Of course Subeta is about the members, but frankly, there is a huge difference between you as a user, and the collective members of Subeta, or the users.

The site is about the users, plural, and people as a group like things to be uniform and for everything to fit. Humans are like that, in a group.

Just because you dislike the new Telenine, does not mean that most people will.

Subeta has to appeal to a large group of users.

Now, I am going to stop now, because I really have no idea what I am talking about anymore...
-twitch-

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The only thing I don't like about the newer one is the back spikes. I think they look a bit too small. Other than that, I believe it looks fantastic.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

wow the new one is awsome, it still looks the same but way less cartoony absolutely AMAZING job! LOVE IT!!!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I agree with Lazy and Flare - pet sites can only exist with the support of users. Also, even if all that mattered was the consistency of the site's art, how would Subeta look if most or all of its representative art was consistently bad? I'm not saying this Telenine is "bad" - I probably couldn't have made a better one - but I wouldn't want to run a site whose art was defined by so many flaws. There is plenty of AMAZING art on Subeta ahemmysticcookiecoughahem and this Telenine just does not fit those standards.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Please don't mention the chibi getting a revamp...I think I've seen a Tsume attempt at the chibi and it made me very sad indeed.
If the chibi needs revamping then mysticcookie should do it...otherwise it will be RUINED and a lot of chibi telenines will end up on 'Adopt it!'

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like the new one, I guess, but the facial features are just too different from the old one for me to vote for it.

I also don't like how stiff the new one looks, and now that someone's pointed out the problem with the hips, it's bothering me, too.

Isn't this a rather drastic change for a pet that's already quite popular?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

'Revamps are not made to make users happy, rather to better the site.'

Considering the site is only around because of the users, I find this statement very.. rude.

Anyway. I voted old. The new one is very good, and I adore the shading, but there are some anatomy issues that I just can't get past. Still, I suppose I'd be okay either say, seeing as I'm not overly fond of telenines in the first place.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I have to say that in order to better the site, you must please the users. Unhappy users=Bad site. If there's a large amount. Part of a pet site is your personal taste. Why even glance at a pet you don't like..? I think the popularity may go down if the revamp goes through as is, because of the many posts about disliking the new telenine. Perhaps with the suggested changes it may look better. -shrugs-

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I have to go with old again. There are just too many anatomical and fundamental artistic flaws with this revamp. Most of those have already been mentioned... the head seems to be screwed on at an odd angle (and the head shape itself also looks odd to me... too hollow or something), the body and legs are too compact and boxy, the legs look like clay lumps loosely attached to the body (too much shading definition), the spikes look like a pasted-on afterthought, etc. It also really bugs me how the hip is drawn below the spine, as Dokuja said.

One possible root of a lot of these problems might be the pose. I have nothing against standing poses, but artistically there's just nothing really exciting about an animal standing in full profile. It's too static, and lacks originality and life. Plus it's harder to make optimal use of a square canvas when you use the one pose that makes the animal appear longest. You end up with either a lot of dead space or an animal that appears too compact (as I think is the problem here). I'm not saying it should invariably be sitting, only that standing in profile isn't a good idea. Sitting can work, sitting or standing at a 3/4 angle or something like it can work, but not this.

Sorry, Tsume - you really are a wonderful artist, but this particular revamp just doesn't work for me. :

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Eeep. I like the new art style, but... I loved the old one's disposition. I'd like it more if the Teli kept the same pose and expression, just with shiny new art.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hm... I like the body of the new one better, but I'd hate to see the eyes and face of the old one replaced... the old one just has more personality.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I have to admit that this is not my favorite of the revamps that hade been proposed recently. I think it looks a bit to stiff and boxy, but I will, I havenâ€™t yet, vote new, and I will now give my reasons.

Revamps are not made to make users happy, rather to better the site. The new Telenines, Spectrum, Reborn, and Hydrus, are so, so lovely, and most everyone loves them, but letâ€™s face it, the old style, and the new colors did not fit together at all. They looked almost like different species to me, and the new revamp makes the Telenine fit in with the new Telenine. You have to pick a revamp not because it fits your personal tastes better, but rather the style of the site. Subeta needs to be consistent to look professional, at least I think so.

I think, personally, that the only way the old Telenine should stay was if the new colors were revamped to look like the older style, and no one wants that.

And besides, the old one looked veryâ€¦flat to me, it always has.

and I really hope the Chibi Telenine is revamped, because the facial expression on that color looks really, really strange to meâ€¦
-Shrugs-

I highly doubt anyone actually read my endless babbling, but whateverâ€¦

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

if so many of us agreed on the old one as better, how the underground is the newer one winning? T_T I like the old one better then the new one, it looks kinda goofier that this one. This one looks... Too plain to me, for some reason.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ack, not the telenine too Xo this picture is drawn very well, but, I dont like how "realistic" they're starting to edge for on the revamped pets... they're reminding me of another pet site that goes for that kind of thing. I like them cartoony...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The telenine did need a revamp... the shading is all off, the lines are not thick enough, and the general style of it makes it seem out of place amongst other pets.
But... I voted for the old one. Sorry, but after reading the suggestions here I think this revamp could be improved a tad.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

wow.. i had to sit and stare at them for quite some time to make my decision.

i'm voting new one. because even though there's problems, i beleive they can be fixed before the revamp goes through. And the old Telenine doesn't fit in with the rest of Subeta's pets. I've actually really been waiting for a telly revamp to see what potion i'd use on Senny.

Though the ears look really rigid, and the legs look stiff. it's not horrible. As a telenine owner, i feel i can stand looking at it as my pet. The only thing i think i'll miss is the old telenines "bright" eyes and smile. I love the old telenines face. It has just so much character. but again, it's still acceptable for me.

also, as a note. i'd REALLY like to see a chibi telly revamped. ;P i HATE the old one. and i'd like to see alot of colors changed. alot of them are really silly. the dawn and sun are just ick. :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh please people do automaticaly yes for this revamp. I really love the old one. This one really does not have any life to it. (I'm sorry artist good shading though!) So please think hard before you click new on the poll, as it's winning currently. I've been waiting months to have a Telenine when I first joined and now that I have one I really don't want it to change to this!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The redraw obviously shows talent, but nontheless I voted old..
The old one has character, dynamic form, fluidity and originality. The new one is stiff, awkward and lacking any life.

I think the old Telenine's shading just needs to be revamped, perhaps the lineart touched up. This revamp is what you'd upgrade -from- not to.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I voted old. The new lacks personality. It just sites on the page. =/

Marvelously done, mind you, but it just doesn't have that spark and presence to catch my eye and make me want one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm sorry, I voted old. The telenine didn't need a revamp in the first place, and this one doesn't impress me.. It doesn't strike my fancy.
I suppose I should include some constructive criticism, as to not offend anybody.
As for the new telenine..
I'll start with the head. It seems as though it's almost pasted onto the neck. The transition doesn't seem natural to me. The same seems to be with the legs. It's just that it almost looks like the kind of thing where you choose bits and parts for a body and paste them on. Not a completely smooth transition. The neck is twisting at an odd angle, and the head is looking one way but the eyes seem to be drifting somewhere else.. Maybe that's what you're going for, but I don't like it very much. The leg in the front seems to go up a bit far, like.. I can't explain it. Where the leg attaches, it juts out, but it goes up all the way to the back and I don't see that in the old one as much. (Though the positions are different, it also seems unnatural.) I also think the purple spikes are almost sitting on top of the telenine rather than being attached. Though this is nice art, it needs a bit of improvement. I do like, however, the tail; how it sways in life-like manner. And the fur is done quite well.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I hate the coloring and shading on the suggested revamp. And the pose needs some help. I really do not like the revamp at all. The artist did a good job, but I still like the old better. Why not just fix up the stuff on the old pet that needs help? Or get the original artist, if they are still on to revamp it a little?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I voted old.But more than likely new will win.
That would mean the reason why I like the Telenine will be gone.
I like the 'cartoony'look and the little grin.
In my opinion not everything has to be redrawn or redone.Some things should stay how they are.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I have to say, this is an improvment on the old version, but Im not crazy about it.

The back legs look like they are detached from the spine because of that crecent line of shading there, and it almost makes it look like a toy...as if the leg could be poppoed off or something.

But other than that, I think the drawing is overall, very good. My vote doesnt really count, I guess, because it doesnt matter much to me whether it goes through or not. Dearborn is colored hydrus, and he's staying that way xD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

My decision was based on the pose. The new one is too stiff, and the old one just has that Telenine attitude. Please don't ask me to define that though xD

However, I love the coloring and colors on the new Telenine.

So... why not combine the two? I'd support minor changes to the pose of the current Telenine, but nothing this different, pleeease.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Also another thing I just thought of pokes Nataku

Why is it when a revamp is planned, we only get to see the common version? I think seeing each color (or at least a few different colors) would aid in the decision making process.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i like the coloring better on the new one, but I think the oldones facial expression is a lot better. And that factor alone made me keep my vote for the old one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like the new one's color...but not pose >_< I like the original more...just not how bright they are XD

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