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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Even though there are a few errors with this revamp right now, I'm not worried about it... changes are being made, after all.

Not only that, but more than any other artist on this site, Tsume is VERY dedicated to the Telenine species... her love for them is clearly obvious. If she can improve the redraw I'm confident that she definately will. ^^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

belatedly hearts all over Hanako's redline <333333

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I own a telinine (And used alot of money to make him such) and though I love both I chose new because I like the fact it was shaded. and the head was a more apropreate size for the body or so it seemed for me.

But seriously other sites dont even vote they just change it. Im just glad we all have a say you cant make everyone happy but you can make a majority happy.
If you like the old so much save it to your comp and upload it and then put it on your pets page from photobucket or something. If you like the new one and its not chosen you can do the same.

I happen to think both are amazing in art quality. and hope soon enough everyone will just be happy with what theyhave.

Sorry is i sound preachy or something its just my view on things.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think that's due to the fact that they're limited edition, and the elixirs are in short supply. Just looking at the comments on this page tells me that they're pretty popular.

And I do beleive you that some people asked for it, though I can't imagine why.
Anyway, this is a nice peice of art. And I think if it was tweaked enough (hopefully adding in that smirk that it seems like so many people love) this could be a fantastic revamp.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

For the record, Telenines are 34/51 pets in popularity. This could be because they're limited edition as well (and I'm not sure if the count includes elixired telenines), but even with elixirs out there, they aren't as popular as you might think.

Again, this was done because it was asked for, believe it or don't.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I agree with Fred. Making such a drastic change to such a popular pet was inviting chaos. x__o

After reading most of these comments, I have to say I'm more firmly opposed to the new one now. It's nice enough, but the old one is just too precious. By making this pet more 'subeta-style', you have effectively sucked the personality and soul out of it. Consistancy is all well and good, but I think sometimes people can take it a little too far.

Anyway, I've said what I needed to say.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Woah people this is rather intense. I like the fact its alowed to be Voted on so people actualy have a say.

And most of you should know that when a pet is redrawn the versions of it that used another pose will stay. i had a chibi darko before the revamp and it stayed exactly the same. just as the spectrum telinine will probly stay the same along with the chibi.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The one thing that most worried me is wrong. Lycan's Fellings are not hurt and she recognises that Subeta's style is changing.
We all should be worried that Tsume's feelings may be hurt.
Now Tsumey if you read this sweety.
Just take the positive ideas and ignore anything that hurts you sweety because you are indeed an excellent artist.
I love all you guys and I am just saddened that there is a rift.
I mean the pets are gonna be cool no matter who draws them.
There is no Subeta Pet that is not cool.
Hugs everyone in the thread
Peace On Subeta. Good will towards Subetans

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

We've already said multiple times that all constructive critism has been considered, and there are changes being made to the telenine as we speak.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Telenines are about the most popular pets, I don't think it's wise to make a big diffrence to them. Tweak up the old's colouring and everyone will be happy :p

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Yeah, you're right Lazy...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'd like to applaud some admins on their patience as well, and thank kelpie for ending the argument and handling it maturely. < 3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ah, sorry. /: I posted some of that just as you ended your little brawl. My apologies.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hm, this is one of the most dramatic revamp comment places I've ever seen. o__o

I'd like to say that I'm a bit offended. You keep saying how everybody isn't using constructive criticism, when I worked on mine for a while as many others did as well. And one person does, and you're congratulating them. /: Perhaps I just didn't read posts right, but I wanted to get this out into the open?

Second of all, it really seems as though it's now turned into a battle between some admins and users instead of a place to state your opinions on the telenine, and almost makes the whole situation worse, and takes away from the constructive criticism everybody has provided; and nobody is focusing as much on the comments now, except for the artist, because there's a whole large argument. Maybe it'd be better to take it to a more personal place..?

I don't mean to be a stickler, and I'm so sorry for being such a brat.. I just have a lot of opinions I like to share. I'll try to keep them to a minimum.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

And I'm being sincere about the Kelpie/Tsume thing. Really.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well, apparently my account might be permanantly completely and forever deleted for what I've said in my comments...and I don't care enough about the telenine for that...or if spectrum pets are happy...so yeah, I give up...I wont comment on art anymore...unless to spazzy rave over how wonderful it is...or something.

Kelpie has improved the art quality here
Tsume is a great artist

...and it wont cost me much to elixir my telenines into something else.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Fair enough kelpie...it has strayed from the topic.
I look forward to this being re-revamped.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Dickie, I'm not going to debate that with you. It has nothing to do with the telenine at hand. I've said what I needed to say to explain this revamp, and that's all. Punto final.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Not that the character of Kelpie's person or the qualiy of her ability as Art Diector has even the slightest baring whatsoever on this news post, but may I add that in the recent months, the revamps that have been proposed have added a life and realism to the pets that seems, in my humble opinion, only to improve the quality of the site. Yes, it is sad to see the art that I originally loved when I joined slowly being redone, but all things in life change over time. Often things change for the better. Still, how many sites out there with Subeta's size listen to their users as much as the staff here do? How many sites give their users a voice on revamps? (And this is a rhetorical question.)

Also, it is possible to give critisism and keep it constructive. I think what is being called for, however, is a modocum of tact. These artists, who frankly probably had more artistic ability when they were 5 then I do now at 24, have put their own time and efforts into making this site the best it can be. While I am a fan of cartoons and cartoony art (like the old Torrent), I understand the need for Subeta's style to change into something more geared towards the over-13 audience. (Not to say that we adults don't watch cartoons, for I know that I do quite often.)

I think that we should be just a tad more tactful here. Put yourself in the artists shoes and take the time to tactfully tell what needs improved specifically so that improvements can made.

/end My two Cents again.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh, and I still think it's completely unnecessary to make spectrum overtly happy...what is really the point in it? It only makes less people want to get the colour because it's automatically excluding all the non-happy personalitied pets :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

And maybe the definition of a telenine as opposed to a generic lycanthrope is it's smirk and attitude?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Lol, I'm hardly going to bother responding to your comment Abbie because you're just defending your little clique and obviously don't want kelpie to start being harsher...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

That's the definition of the color, Dickie, much like Hydrus pets are angry, bloodred pets are evil, and darkmatter pets are blank. Do not twist my words here.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Dickie. Stop getting off the subject. This is a news post about the telenine and not a place to openly bash someone who has only been good to us.

And just for the darn record, Kelpie has been a fantastic art director who gives harsh criticisms where necessary and culls what needs to be culled. Stop making unfounded judgements because they are just freakin' unneccessary and plain nasty.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I have no problem admitting that Lycan's art doesn't draw me, but saying that I outright hate it is a lie and paints a far uglier picture than is necessary.

Oh, and I'm a let down now? Funny how you were just saying recently that you've noticed the amount of complaints had gone down since my hiring.

And just because I've become friends with the artists doesn't mean I don't give them the crits they deserve. It means I have a harder time doing it, but I do it. You can ask any one of them. I still nitpick every bit as much as before. It is just a trend now that the users nitpick every bit as much as I used to in the news, and that's fine. Like I said, the poll welcomes your opinions and we'll make the needed changes. Four eyes are better than two and so forth.

What I don't appreciate is Subeta thinking, fueled much by you, thank you very much, that I'm carrying out my own agenda here. If Keith at any time disagreed with any of these proposed revamps, I guarantee they'd be stopped. I'm purely doing what I was hired to do.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh, and during the spectrum feli debate you said spectrum pets should be happy and have a happy personality in their art...and I objected and said that just because people want a brightly coloured pet doesn't mean they want their pet to look exstatically happy.
Now you've changed your mind...?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

First of all, let me add my two cents to the "owners only votes" as opposed to the current "vote for alls". I can understand how the owners feel. If someone revamped my lovely Hikei, I'd probably be opposed, at least at first, just because of how fond I am of it. On the other hand, I can understand that there might be users out there who do not like the look of a current pet, and therefore do not have one because of their feelings about the look. Should those people be denied a vote simply because they do not like the current look/pose of the species? Should the people crying "Don't change my pet!" be allowed more say than those crying "I don't like the current look. Please change it so I feel like getting one!", especially if the latter happen to be in the majority? (Not that I'm saying this is the case here. I have no idea how many voted on whim and how many feel strongly about their vote.)

On to the Telenine redraw. Not to disagree with the majority here, but I do like the revamp. Now, I'm not an artist myself. But the new one just looks more like something I could imagine walking down the streets of Centropolis and bumping into. That being said, I agree that some minor improvements might make it an even more beautiful drawing.

It looks just a tad bit dark. And Hanako's improvements are very nice, in my opinion, especially the eyes and slight change to the face.

Aside from those minor improvements, I just love the revamp. The old one is cute, but the new one is more realistic and cures the one thing I always thought was a little odd about the Telenine, the red behind the eyes.

/end My two cents

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Kelpie, I'm not bashing your character...I'm simply repeating what you said...and you told me that you disliked her art...if you didn't want people to know you thought that then you shouldn't have said it.
But...to be honest...you've been a real let down as artist director. You even admitted yourself now that you've become friends with the artists you find it hard to give the harsg crits that are needed...but if you DID then maybe artists wouldn't be subjected to the onslaught of criticism from the users?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Okay, first and foremost, your opinions are appreciated and the telenine is being tweaked. So, rest easy. If your criticism has been said, don't worry about resaying it. It's a little overwhelming both to myself and to the artist. It will be fixed.

Secondly, I'd like to address why this is being revamped in the first place. I honestly did not want to touch it initially. However, I have been asked by users and staff members alike for a telenine revamp. So, it was attempted once, and rejected. It was attempted yet again, and rejected. This third attempt, MONTHS LATER, was viewed by us for months as well, tweaked and retweaked to make it more subeta's style. That's right. USERS ASKED FOR THIS. So, before accusations start flying that I'm trying erradicate all of Lycan's art, maybe you guys should know that I'm just doing what I've been asked to do. By you.

As for Lycan's art, which Dickie so considerately threw me under the bus and said I hated, let me clear up that I do not. I was told that if revamps were to happen, to probably start at the bottom of the popularity list. So, there came the festers. It's an unlimited edition pet and really the pets at the bottom of our list should be the limited edition ones. We figured they were largely unpopular due to some lack of appeal in the design and thus changed them rather drastically to make them more appealing. Likewise also with the Bovyne, another fairly upopular pet. The fact that these were both drawn by Lycan is purely coincedence. I have nothing against her personally, nor her art. If her art were more popular on the site, regardless of whether or not I personally liked it, I would leave it untouched. I admit, I am not drawn to her style, but I'm not revamping pets purely because I feel like it. As for now, no plans are made to touch the antlephores unless they are done either by her, or under her close supervision.

Now, a lot of people are complaining about the lack of smirk on the new telenine. I can say with certainty there is a reason for the disappearance of the smirk. The artistic staff and myself have had this discussion before with other pets and came to the conclusion that Subeta would much rather pets have a fairly blank expression (such as the feli and pherret) so that the user can give it any personality they wish, instead of the telenine's smirk and old torrent's googly eyes that basically dictate a personality for you. This makes it more pleasing to the masses. Your pet can still be a smart aleck telenine should you choose. That doesn't mean everyone else wants that.

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">The only thing I wanna know why so many revamps when the first ones are not finished? I have been waiting and waiting for the new Festers. Also Subeta Database clearly shows all the pets have not been drawn in every color so I wonder if time could be spent finishing these things before there are revamps.

Tracy, you have also summed up exactly another reason why so many revamps are bing attempted. I don't want to have pets just filled in with new colors and some of them looking so drastically different from the original because the original artist is no longer around. Trust me, those revamps will be tweaked and all will be finished.

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Also I don't think anyone should state how Kelpie feels about Lycan's art but Kelpie.

Thank you, Tracy. I love how this has turned into a bash-Kelpie fest here, when I'm just doing my job.I know it seems like "OMG KELPIE IS RUINING THE SITE AND DOING WHAT SHE WANTS." But I promise you that is in no way true. Keith hired me because he recognized the art quality on the site was declining, and trusted me to be able to change that. The way I see it, I'm just doing my job.

You know what, please sMail me directly next time you want to bash my character. Maybe then I can explain myself to you more fully.

Again, your opinions are appreciated, and hopefully I've explained why there are so many revamps.

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Steen, I find your comment highly ironic. Having told me that I was too harsh in my crits and the artists had feelings once before, and for me to try to temper myself...
Just wow.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I happen to own a telenine, and am fond of this change. Anatomy issues or not (though it is unlikely that I would notice them if they were not pointed out to me), the coloring and shading are quite nice. As for the personality... The way I look at it, the personality of a pet is whatever you make of it. Sure, some may be tied in with the drawing, but it gives us a chance to use our imaginations, and model the pet's personality based on what we want it to be like. Openmindedness really helps... If the telenine is revamped, just give it a chance. You may like it more than you thought you would. (note: 'openmindedness' does not mean that you either have to agree with me or be in favor of the telenine 'suggestion')

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Christine and Cyde I agree with everything you guys said.

Everything seems to have changed with the new batch of artists...it's depressing.

There's bucketloads of constructive criticism here...time for it to be acted upon.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I've said the same thing three times now

People need to read whole threads before jumping in.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Cyde. I didn't even read your post. Or Christine's.. or Kelpie's. They appeared just as I'd posted mine, and as such, I didn't respond to anything you had to say. o_O That's what happens.. with the whole.. simultaneous commenting thing; some of us miss posts.

A lot of what you guys had to say makes perfect sense to me. Some of it I don't necessarily agree with, but it doesn't really encourage me to respond.. because it doesn't like.. bother me, or inspire me.. or whatever. :3 Just because people don't respond right away, or at all, doesn't mean they disagree.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Am I talking to myself?

Theres two ways a pet can be redrawn.

It can get updated line art and shading, since a lot of Subetas early art is pretty flat and inconsistent.

OR, it can be changed fundamentally, ie the Torrent, or the Bovyne. This includes changing the pose and features of the pet.

The first one is about making things fit Subetas style and every user should get a say in that.

The second one is about changing what the pet is, changing the personality of the pet. If you cared enough about the personality of a pet you'd have one as a pet. If you are not an owner, you should be indifferent to the pose, as long as the style (Lineart and shading) suits Subeta.

We DO NOT want all pets to share a "subeta Style" personality. Otherwise they will all end up as identikit pets. People need to learn to distringuish between revamps and redraws. Theres a big difference.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The whole.. only let people who own a certain species vote argument, kind of irks me.

I've been a member of Subeta for a long time now. I've come back after several restarts, and I've grown to love every species for its own set of unique characteristics. One of my first pets was a Telenine, a GY one, which I created not once, but twice due to a restart. Khe was one of my favourite pets, even though I have since fallen far more deeply in love with the new GY Tigrean, which is what Khe is now. <3

I don't think that only those users who actually own pets of a particular species, are affected by proposed, and approved revamps. I don't think that only those users with those particular species of pet are the only ones who have an appreciation for that pet, or have an interest in how Subeta evolves and grows, both in number, sophistication, as a community, and artistically.

I can understand that it's difficult to come to terms with a proposed revamp if you have a pet that's likely to be affected by the revamp. You're attached to your pet. You love it as it is, otherwise you wouldn't have that pet. However.. I think it's somewhat selfish to exclude the rest of Subeta from having a say in how Subeta's artistic future evolves, simply because they have not chosen to add a certain species to their account's pet repertoire. I don't think that those users who own pets of a certain species are any more qualified to provide feedback, opinions and suggestions, and as such, I don't see why they should be excluded from having a say. Non-Telenine owners may not have a Telenine image on their profile, but they still browse the site and see them on other profiles and site images. If a revamp is going to make their viewing of Subeta more enjoyable, because the Telenine is given a face-lift and perhaps becomes a little more consistent with Subeta's style, I'm all for giving everyone a chance to speak up, and to make their opinion count, by means of voting.

Anyway. Now that all of that's said; I'd like to commend Tsumie on her efforts with this revamp. It's still totally recognisable as a Telenine, and is far more in tune with that GORGEOUS, STUPENDOUS Reborn Telly Tsumie did a while back. Hawt. <3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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The amount and effort and time Tsume put into this was unbelievable â€“ spanning months I believe. She has taken criticism from us for weeks on end and has taken everything we have said into account. I am personally shocked at the negativity Iâ€™m seeing here, it seems all of you are feeding off eachother and forgetting that there is someone who has worked their grass off behind this image, and I think she deserves comments which are made supportively and constructively.

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Please, have some TACT when you criticise. Don't whine that your comments aren't going to be used, because if they're valid, I'm sure Tsume will be willing to fix it.

I'm tired of these "GIVE US CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM" posts. This isn't aimed at the telenine thread, but all of the recent events.

So, I shall begin-

Cut the CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM crap. To most of you artists, constructive criticism is inflating your ego while nitpicking at a few things. So what if they whine? Some of you (artists) are doing MORE whining than the users. Of course they're going to whine. If I had a telenine (thank God I don't, but I would have) you would have massacred it in my eyes. I have the right to my own opinion, just as these users do.

If no "constructive" criticism is given, then the user is at fault, not the artist. In this case, there is enough to go about.

If you can't take some negative feedback, you have no business being an artist. Learn to take a few hits that don't help you (or even the negative ones).

In the real world, as an artist, your boss (or whoever employs you) may sometimes tell you that an image you make "sucks," "they hate it," and want you to do it over, without ANY criticism. Sure, in this scenario, you are getting paid and in reality, you don't, since you volunteer here. However, if you look at it this way, you ARE getting paid- through reputation and fans.

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Frankly, I'm appauled at the way some of you have acted.

You too.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Abbie, it isnt possible for me to disagree with you more.

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> The amount and effort and time Tsume put into this was unbelievable â€“ spanning months I believe. She has taken criticism from us for weeks on end and has taken everything we have said into account. ... forgetting that there is someone who has worked their grass off behind this image, and I think she deserves comments which are made supportively and constructively.

So, if I work for a whole year on a revamp of a pet, no matter how bad it looks. Just because I put effort in I should expect the people who changing that image will affect in a direct matter to not only accept it, but congratulate me? I think not.

Subeta artists need to get over themselves. And the staff need to get over the artists. Not every piece of art is going to be the right piece of art for the job. As a coder I quite often code an entire program, only to highlight the folder and press the delete key. Why? Because things are always better the second time around. Just because this Telenine image took months, and it meets what the Staff think a telenine should look like does not automatically mean Subeta will like it, nor should they accept it on those grounds.

The staff is such a small, and unbelievably biased subset of the entire site. While an admin, I saw time and time again, especially within the artists an unwillingness to tell a fellow staff member their work was smelly . Everything was greeted with comments of "Oh wow thats so awesome" and "Lets release it ASAP, its perfect!", and the circle jerk continued. Thats what I see in this very news post. Artists and wannabe artists saying that we shouldnt be allowed to criticise and voice our dislike for the telenine in case we hurt the artists feelings. You all need to grow some balls.

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> Thirdly,

The opinions of telenine owners are no more prevalent than those of people who do not own telenines, ease off. Newbies also have their rights, and the stigma attached to them is really getting to me. Not every Newbie is an absolute invalid. Please give them respect as their views matter to the site as much as any subetan veteran.

Bull smelly . Firstly nobody has said (to my knowledge) that the reason we want to restrict the poll to telenine owners is because of the newbies. People have said that newbies may be encouraged to vote just for the sP without really thinking, but there arent enough of them to taint the poll. What does taint the poll is the non telenine owners.

For a much more detailed argument just Ctrl+F my name, its about four pages down. I'd have hoped you'd read it before posting but obviously not.

I wouldnt expect to vote in an American election, similarly if you dont own a Telenine you shouldnt expect to post in a revamp poll. You can expect to vote in a redraw poll about whether the style needs to be updated, but you have absolutely no say in the pose and personality of a pet if you dont own it.

Anything else is ridiculous, and if you stop to think for just half a second, you'll realise it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Wow, just give me a few minutes to respond to this...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

OMGoodness People we cannot be so divided. This is a loving community so let's all sit around and sing Kumbayaa.

I thought I was gonna cry. Wait I did cry over the Fester revamp but I got over it.

I did not know you could see other people's photobuckets.

I never can unless one links me.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

But yeah...other people might really like these revamps...there's not much bad about them except anatomical errors...in fact two are really good...i just dislike the rest.
But I think people should know voting on this revamp will undoubtedly lead to those revamps happening too :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I was worried about my telenines...I thought tsume would probably name the files obviously...it was clever what I did but not illegal or anything.
Let's face it...if this revamp goes through then probably every telenine will be tsume-ised so i wanted to know what I have to prepare myself for.
I paid real money to have my chibi telenine...I paid $60 at the time so understandably I'm really worried about that much money going to waste.
I wish you wouldn't say "feelings are at stake!!!!!" like it's the most important issue here. The most important issue here is pleasing the users and getting good quality art...besides...I'm sure many more people are upset at the prospect of their pets changing.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

No problem ^^ Bring an artist myself here previously I know how discouraging some 'critiques' can get so I do try to make mine as helpful as they can be without being rude :3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thanks for putting in the effort Hanako - and doing it in a positive and respectful way. Many <3s FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. ILUk. <3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

...Dickie, I believe there was a REASON Tsume's Photobucket was private. There was no need for you to go around snooping. I'll be sure to tell her to switch to something else.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

|D;; Oops a different bold forum code here. I forgot ._.;;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This is a gorgeous revamp but I voted old as there are a few anatomical issues :3 Which do bug me a little. Fix those up an I'm more than happy for this revamp to go through ^o^ I have a redlined version at the bottom of my comment.

Snout and Tooth - The snout it at an awkward angle compared to the rest of the face. The bottom jaw might also be a bit thick compared to the upper jaw. The tooth Also needs to be moved back slightly.

Spikes - The spikes sort of look like they might have been glued there instead of sticking out of it's back. I suggest making the fur a bit ruffled in that area with the disturbance the spikes would cause in the flow of the fur. I also think the the ear closest to us needs to be moved back a bit so it doesn't hide the head spike as much because it makes it look a bit odd a newer users might not be able to see what it is clearly.

Back</> - This lacks a natural curve to the shoulders making it look a little bit hunched up.

Eyes - I would perk those up a bit as the eye further away becaomes a bit small.

Legs and Paws - Some of the paws seem to melt away a bit and are a bit too chunky. I do know that the previous Telenine had chunky paws but I don't think it suits the new revamp. On my red line on one of the fore legs I added a little line at the top which is a muscle there which I think helps bring out the fact it is connected to the body. You also forgot the dewclaw on the front paw ^^;;

Colours and Shade - I think the colours are very nice You might want to make them a little brighter to match the old one but if you leave it this way I don't mind <333 I need to point out that where I put the x's on my redline means that the shading and highlighting there is a bit much. It makes it look as if the legs are a seperate piece stuck on as if it was a figurine. The highlighting on the part of the hind leg makes it look as it it is too low. I would also remove some of the highlighting around the muzzle.

OMG REDLINE!

Just a few things to patch up and that's it ^^ I think that who drew this is quite talented Good work. Sorry if it seemed mean or harsh I assure you I'm not trying to put you down. Just some little things that I think need a bit of fixing. I'm not so sure about others ^^;;
Much love,
Hanako.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Dickie, there is no need for that kind of sarcastic pessimism. It's totally uncalled for and encourages negative comments - there are peoples' feelings involved here for goodness sake.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well 'yay' for bookmarking Tsume's photobucket...it seems there are 'revamped' versions of every telenine there...including chibi, angelic, graveyard, bloodred, and dark matter :/
I wont post them because I think I'd get frozen but jsut thought people should know :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well I have one problem with the Telenine owners only vote.
That is there was no Festers owners only vote or no Slushii owners only vote.

Now I want to say this. The criticism in here to both Lycan's art and Tsume's art has been a bit too harsh in my opinion.

Also I don't think anyone should state how Kelpie feels about Lycan's art but Kelpie.

I do not want a rift to develope between them.

I know MysticCookie has said that Subetan Artists must have thick skin but Gee Golly Whiz
they would need 3 coats of Leather not to be somewhat offended by what was said.

I personally love these people with all my heart and I really care about their feelings.

One must always use tact and please be nice.

You can like or dislike a revamp without saying Ewww that is ugly etc. or that the former version was ugly.

You know removing payment for polls might help. I will not tell Keith how to run his site though.

OK I am done.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

@ Dokuja:
Something that is needed for limited pets like this here:

5) I don't have this pet but i'm working to get it.
5.1 - like revamp
5.2 - don't like revamp and will stop saving up

I was working for getting one (after BRMontre) and i don't like the revamp.
Why? Was posted so often, no need to repeat it again.
The art for itself is pretty good though.

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