December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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This telenine looks like I'm about to run over it with a pickup truck. Can we say, "Deer in headlights?" I don't like the gaze and it looks a bit depressed.
The highlights are off too. The way it's done on the thighs... to me, it makes it look flat. I'm also picky about that random shine near the snout.
The tummy fur and the main fur near the stomach is badly separated. It just looks like someone went in with an eraser and erased it off, rather than lining it and tapering.
But with that out of the way, it's still well drawn. I just can't stand the gaze, the others I can live with.
The old one got my vote.
LMAO Steen, same here. I also really miss Lycan's art....Lycan was the first artist I fell in love with on the site (the two pets I loved the best when I joined were telenines and antlephores)....and now I'm noticing all of her pets getting redrawn (I bet antlephore's next). But then again, I can kind of accept that....the art style of Subeta just isn't cartoony anymore, I guess. Which is simultaneously refreshing and a little sad. I really don't know how I feel about that. In fact....I think I'm going to make a board topic about that....
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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I guess this revamp is going through, in which case I won't be getting my cream telenine. x__o And they were so awesome.. ;-;
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
vespa
This is one of the few times I've voted for the old version of a pet over a revamp... I mean, the revamp's art is lovely, but the personality is completely different.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Quetzal
And.
If you want to see what running over a deer is like, go watch Tommy Boy.
Don't go running over deer with a pickup truck. D:
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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I don't think a comparison of Americans voting in New Zealand is a fair comparison..It's more like, Americans voting in America, about making smoking illegal in resteraunts. Let's ignore the fact that smoking is bad for your health, that's not the comparison intended with this example. To disclude the people who don't smoke, or the people who do, wouldn't make any sense; it's to better the environment people wish to live in (whether that be for smoking or against). Same with pet redraws; we're all here, we all see/support/spread/entertain the same images. The more votes you have, the more likely new users who join will be satisfied with what Subeta has to offer; people who already have telenines, though their votes are perfectly valid, do have one potentional flaw: Sentimental or emotional attachment. That's not a bad thing, and valueable constructive critisism can come from it, but their votes shouldn't be the only ones either.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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Starting to like a revamp more because people disliked it is pretty immature.
Yes, I think Tsume should be given a chance to re-redraw the telenine but that doesn't mean this one should go through.
Maybe the same people dislike revamps because those people care very much about the art of subeta.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Quetzal
I'm sorry, but this one is not right. I'm going to miss Lycan's cartoony style. 
This telenine looks like I'm about to run over it with a pickup truck. Can we say, "Deer in headlights?" I don't like the gaze and it looks a bit depressed.
The highlights are off too. The way it's done on the thighs... to me, it makes it look flat. I'm also picky about that random shine near the snout.
The tummy fur and the main fur near the stomach is badly separated. It just looks like someone went in with an eraser and erased it off, rather than lining it and tapering.
But with that out of the way, it's still well drawn. I just can't stand the gaze, the others I can live with.
The old one got my vote.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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Hemp, actually, at the time the old kerubi was winning and the new lineart one had been released before the poll :p
Cyde's right about how the polls are tainted clings to his telenines D:
And it's not just the same telenine in a different pose...it's as if someone <i>dressed</i> like keith wit hthe same hair and clothes stood up as opposed to sat down.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
TracyH
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Eeep. I like the new art style, but... I loved the old one's disposition. I'd like it more if the Teli kept the same pose and expression, just with shiny new art.
I agree with this.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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hum. i like how you're all assuming that telly owners aren't for this revamp.
i'm a telly owner. i'm starting to LIKE the revamp, the more and more you people hate it. and you know what? i hope it does go through. Tsume is a wonderful artist, and i think she shold be gioven the chance to wow us, like she has with the spectrum telly. With a few tweaks.. this revamp could be amazing.
but i'm starting to see a trend. :/ it seems EVERY revamp, i'm seeing the same people over and over refusing to accept it.. ..
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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OK, telenines are possibly my favorite pets, so I'm going to spend some time commenting here. First, other comments people (I forget names) have said which I agree with:
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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">The only other thing that niggles me a little bit is the little spike of fur under the tummy - the body's already looking very stocky and rectangular, and I don't really think personally that the little spike helps. Even if the point after the spike were brought up a little (to make the chest deeper than the back end, as is typical with most predatory types) I think it'd help. ^^;;
--I concur about that, I think that's the only real anatomy issue I see that bugs me.
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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Oddly, jess, I think the original looked more professional...this one would be wonderful if it was a commision but it really looks like it belongs on one of the other petsites
--I don't agree completely that it looks like it belongs elsewhere--I think the shading is in style with the other pets--but it DOES seem more like a commission piece than the generic pet itself. It just doesn't seem to encapsulate the character I have in mind for the telenine.
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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">But whatever, if suggestions -are- getting noticed, here's mine. Recolor the old pose with the same coloring/shading of the new pose and let the people decide from there. And before anyone asks, reason why I'm suggesting this is because the majority will just vote for the new one because it's all -shiney-. They probably don't want/or own a Telenine so they don't care how it effects fans of the breed.
Most of the time it's the lack of shiney scales/skin/fur that causes the old ones to lose the polls. Update the old one to the same shading/color standards but keep the old pose, will make the poll that much fairer and even
--I concur, I think that would make the fairest poll, especially considering the current popularity of the telenines.
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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">There's something mischevious about the way the old Tele "smirked" (esp the DM one), and I just don't see that on the new design, and that bothers me. The ENTIRE reason I made my pet Arucard a Tele was for that smirk. If there's no smirk, I'm gonna have to make him something else or adopt him away
--I agree 100%, it was the expression that sold me on the old telenine and that's the single thing I really wanted to see on the revamp.
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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Revamps are not made to make users happy, rather to better the site. The new Telenines, Spectrum, Reborn, and Hydrus, are so, so lovely, and most everyone loves them, but let’s face it, the old style, and the new colors did not fit together at all. They looked almost like different species to me, and the new revamp makes the Telenine fit in with the new Telenine. You have to pick a revamp not because it fits your personal tastes better, but rather the style of the site. Subeta needs to be consistent to look professional, at least I think so.
--I also agree here, I've known there would be a revamp ever since I saw the spectrum telenine, and I support that--we DO need one--but I don't think this one quite hit it on the mark.
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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Isn't this a rather drastic change for a pet that's already quite popular?
--I think so. Again, it might be better to update the lineart and do prettier shading on the old pet first, to really spot out the problem areas between the two.
OK, now, my own two cents. First off, Tsume, I love your art, and I blatantly refuse to insult you because honestly....this redraw isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. I'm unhappy with it, but it could be MUCH worse. Now then, here's what I say:
--The shading is fine. I do agree with the comments about the shading on that hindleg, and the transition between back and bellyfur on the side is awkward, but otherwise it looks beautiful.
--The pose is fine. I actually kind of like that this pose is more dynamic. I would prefer if the stomach sloped upward more into the loins, to give it a more deep-chested look--that would make it seem less boxy.
--The smaller spikes and bigger fangs honestly don't bother me. I think they look fine....then again, neither one was a feature I got my current telenine for--in fact, I got my telenine specifically for ONE reason:
The expression.
That's the single most important thing about the telenine in my eyes, and judging from comments I've read, in other people's eyes too.
I DO like the eyes on this; I think if the eyebrows were arched more, it would help--the current expression is just a bit too serious. Looking at it further, it's not so much that the grin isn't there, it's just that it isn't accented; I think the lower jaw is too big. Ideally, the fang would be where it is now, and the line of the mouth would dip down slightly before dipping back up--that would solve the size of the jaw as well as giving more depth to the smile. I'd also like to see the hair atop the head be spikier, more like the original.
So that's what I say. Honestly, the more I look at it the better I feel about the redraw; I'd just like to see it slimmed a little, and make it look more mischievous. That was my problem (as Tsume already knows XD) with all of the new telenines--they were all missing that signature grin. I DO agree that the colors all need revamping, though; personally, sun is one of the only ones I can really stand. (Sun, twilight, and cream are the only original colors I like, but oh how I love them).
I'm also going to assume that the new arid telenine will actually be white? It always seemed weird to me that the arid telenine was black with white, when all the others were white with black....man I bet there will be some arid tellie owners not happy with that.
Anyway, this is running too long. My apologies for my wordiness
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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I appreciate the reminder that users get to vote at -all- on revamps, Jessyta.
Also, about the staff being predisposed to whether the revamp or the old pet will be used:
The revamp for the Kerubi technically won, but the call was so close that the staff chose instead to touch up the shading and lineart of the old Kerubi.
The revamp for the Kumos, as someone has already mentioned, didn't go through.
It would be the right of the staff to make the final decision, as they have the human power to consider what's said and suggested here, unlike a poll that only counts mouse clicks; that doesn't mean they'll automatically go for the revamp.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Cydewinder
Well Shaggy, in comparison to some of the recent ones. A cat bell around the neck (WTF?), changing the escalades helmet and eliminating the main forward spike, turning the Bovyne into a cow/Rhino hybrid, this one has VERY minor feature changes 
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Deleted User
"theres no change to features"
What about the smirk? Is that not a feature? Or the ginormous, mischevious eyes? These eyes don't show alot of emotion, if you ask me...
I do agree with you though, that they should just re-line/color/shade the old pose. I think I'd like that alot better.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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voted new Hee! If the new version gets through, I'll be considering getting a Telenine very soon~
The old version is far too goofy looking for my taste. I prefer the 'realistic' look.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Cydewinder
That being said, as far as the recent revamps go this ones is certainly one of the better ones. It is just a change of pose, theres no change to features, and no extra features/the artists own take on the telenine.
It is a faithful revamp. Yet one has to wonder if the pose needs changing. It seems to me it was just the lineart and coloring that was offensive to Subeta style, and perhaps a redraw as opposed to a revamp was more in order.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
kittaly
kazii this was posted by Tsume ealier today.
"i did do the spectrum, reborn, and hydrus.... so theey definitely will not be changing... if anyone else is wondering on that too."
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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Keith, by saying it's not a Telenine, I think people are referring more to it's assumed personality based on things like facial expressions, the way it's eyes look, ect.
The new pose seems (to me at least) to be lacking that wild, mischevious look and emotion, in comparison with the old version...
It' be like taking a picture of you in, say, a suit all ready for an interview instead of the emo-ness that we usually see
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Deleted User
If this revamp does go through, I really like everything except for the fact that the paws are all different sizes and the spikes hang on end. And the spiked shading on the stomach doesn't fit with the rest. Other than that, I find everything else great.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Cydewinder
Dont misquote me brenton.
The point I was making, which I make on every revamp news post, is that I strongly believe polls about revamps should only count votes from current owners of the revamped pet.
Asking everyone would be like New Zealand letting Americans vote in our elections, based on the assumption that those Americans might move here if they like the new Government. Its ridiculous and terrible statistics.
Hence, the polls are tainted and inaccurate, the staff know this, the staff also know that the owners of any given pet are the ones likely to oppose to a revamp, and they are at any given time in the minority. As a result, almost without fail the new pet wins.
THAT is what I said to you, not that the staff do whatever they want regardless of results. Its just set up in such a cunning way the results agree with the staffs opinion
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Deleted User
First off, I just want to say that Tsume, you did an amazing job. Honestly, if I had half your skills my art teacher would faint and figure out that I really hate her projects. The head looks so perfect and the coloring is... wow. How did you do that?
But even though the new one is really well done, I voted for the old one. The new is just... too big of a change. The revamp should be somewhat the same because when people adopted this pet, they didn't think "aslkfj it's so ugly!", they thought "Wow, I love this pet!" (I hope xD)
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
JESSYTA
As Tsume already stated in one of the earlier comments, if the revamp does go thru, the Spectrum, Reborn and Hydrus Telenines will not be effected.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Deleted User
Kazii, Tsume drew the Spectrum Telenine and it was drawn recently so I don't think they'll be changing it < 3
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Deleted User
Man now I'm kicking myself that I didn't ponder over this poll more. I jumped too quickly into voting for the New one. True, it fits with the style of Subeta at this time, but I do feel that the old one had more personality. And being an artist myself, I find quite a few anatomical errors that I can't get past either. Tsume is really a wonderful artist and I love what they've done with the Spectrum Telenine and Reborn Montre but some other pets they have drawn have anatomy errors that were quite visible. I agree and say that the old one should be relined and reshaded.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Keith
I don't understand how a chance of pose, and eyes, makes it 'not a telenine'.
I sit up, and I sit down. thus changing my pose. If I take a picture of myself sitting, adn a picture of me standing, which is 'Keith'?
And, then. I wear color contacts. Does that make me not 'Keith'?
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Deleted User
For those of you complaining about all of us "bashing and in martian cheese merchant ing" the artists, have you read even half the posts here?
Most of us DO give valid reasons for disliking the proposed revamp, and even compliment the artist at the same time. Please don't lump us all in with 1 or 2 users that don't. And if people just plain don't like the new one at all, many of them have posted why as well...try reading some more posts.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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fine ill tell you, i dont like the pose and i find that they should just give each person a choice on wich they want to keep.. its a good pic but i wouldnt want it as my pet
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
kazii
"honestly i dont think that ex staff should have athourity obvessily if there ex then they did something to get them booted off , i mean whats the point of putting up a poll if there just going to change it anyway? "
You just contradicted yourself.
You said not to believe the ex-staff.
The ex-staff said they would change it reguardless.
But you just said that. x_o
Once again-Anyone know if they're changing the Spectrum Tele? ^^
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Rainbow_Muffin
I really love this, I truly do. But it really doesn't seem 'Telenine--y' oO
What NoirRaven has stated about doing the same coloring just on the old pose of the Teley, sounds actually pretty even and fair. Alot of people seemed to have adopted a Telenine for that devious little smirk they have. That's why I had adopted Demente. He's completely insane so the smirk worked for him. Expesicially once(hopefully) he is turned Dark Matter. The smirk is just BANG awsome...tada?
Again, this is truly awsome in many ways. But as many have stated, it's just not Telenine. ^^;;
But then again, yall can just ignore my little comment. Since many people have said the same thing.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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yes well i tend to speak my mind so really theres no use in trying to stop , i know when to give up
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Kabuto
-saves the image- its amazing and I like it.... if it gets discounted because too many people are being whiney yet can't even explain WHY they feal a need to WHINE so much, pretty soon we probably won't even GET re-vamps
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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If you want to insult the hard work that the artists have put into making this new revamp, no one can stop you- but how about just providing a reason WHY you don't like it, other than 'the old one's better'?
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Keith
Considering there are multiple pets in teh process of being revamped at the moment (and tweaks being added to most of them) I would assume you'd like at that, versus what your 'inside source' is saying.
Also, I would believe a member who is currently part of the staff (jessyta) over someone who boasts they know how it works.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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honestly i dont think that ex staff should have athourity obvessily if there ex then they did something to get them booted off , i mean whats the point of putting up a poll if there just going to change it anyway?
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Kabuto
Brenton... Keyword... 'were' things are constantly changing, what might have been true when they were admin, may not be now
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Deleted User
...I'm even more disgusted than I was a minute ago. They do give us a say- don't you remember the first kumos revamp poll? They didn't change it, because so many users didn't like it. That they have their mind made up before they put out the poll doesn't mean that they won't consider our opinion- I'm positive that if the new telenine lost by a landslide, there wouldn't be a revamp.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
kazii
If you didn't notice, articwolf, there's a POLL up. So you can CHOOSE which telelnine you like better.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Brenton
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Considering they are 'ex' staff, I am not sure if the information they are giving you should be considered reliable. But you can believe whatever you want.
Just because theyre ex-staff doesnt mean theyre unreliable, considering they were in the admin position.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
JESSYTA
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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">peh, i dun like the new telenine why cant they give us more of a warning or at least give us a choice
Um, the revamp hasn't gone live. The fact that you are being asked to vote is giving you a choice AND warning that it may happen. xD
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
JESSYTA
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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I have an inside opinion from one of the most important ex-staff about this, and they say that wether or not the polls say that the pet is -or- is not going to be changed, it still will anyway, opinion care? erm...
Considering they are 'ex' staff, I am not sure if the information they are giving you should be considered reliable.
But you can believe whatever you want.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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people have there own choice of free will we can complain if we want its better too have excitement then always boring solemness but as long as its not too drastic.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
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peh, i dun like the new telenine why cant they give us more of a warning or at least give us a choice
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
JESSYTA
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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Also, who says we have to offer constructive criticism? Saying "yaaaay this is sooo cute" wouldn't be constructive but people are never complained about saying stuff like that .
Keith did.
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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">And, for this and future news posts relating to art, please keep it to constructive critisim.
That was back when the Torrent revamp was posted, 3/8/06.
Besides, it's just courtious to give constructive criticism.
And unfortunatly, we have no way to know how many people are "passionate" about their vote, and which oens are just lukewarm about how they feel other than by looking at the comments here. So, if you feel strongly about the revamp, say so, and say WHY. Explain what you like, what you dislike, and what would make it better. As we have already covered once, we DO take your comments into consideration.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Brenton
"The fact that Subeta bases whether or not the revamp will be issued on the polls says more for their care of users opinions than anything else could.".
I have an inside opinion from one of the most important ex-staff about this, and they say that wether or not the polls say that the pet is -or- is not going to be changed, it still will anyway, opinion care? erm...
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Kabuto
Dickie, the point is not to insault it because thats just being a jerk. Saying its cute or you like it can be a compliment, not every comment has to be constructive critisism, but none of them should be blatant insaults
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Kabuto
Ditto kirschwasser, its AMAZINGLY well drawn, if you liked the old one better, than say so and why, don't just say 'ew' or 'this ruins the pet' thats a blatant insault, if theres something you don't like,explain why, don't just say its horrible, especialy since the people saying it couldn't do better themselves
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Deleted User
Quite frankly, I'm disgusted by the number of insults to the Subeta staff and artists here. If you don't like it- don't vote for it, but that doesn't mean that other people can't like it. The fact that Subeta bases whether or not the revamp will be issued on the polls says more for their care of users opinions than anything else could. Certain other sites that have similar things simply revamp their pets without any regard to if the users like it or not. Ultimately, it's up to the staff- but the fact that you even get a say in it, no matter how small, says something about the way Subeta interacts with its users. Take what you can and be grateful for it.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
kazii
I just have some problems looking at either telenine...I had to vote 'old' because I just didn't see the improvement I wanted.
Question: Would the Spectrum Telenine be redone?
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by
Brenton
It'd be really cool if it was sitting and facing right at you.
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Yeah, she's one of the few that can achieve the "Western cartoony style" well. She was, or shall I say, is, one of my favorite artists.
I wouldn't be surprised if the antlephore was revamped.