Subeta -

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

"The opinions of telenine owners are no more prevalent than those of people who do not own telenines, ease off."

First of all, I was joking...someone commented on the fact that non-telenine owners made comments about this version, and I was merely jesting when I made MY comment...

Also, I personally feel that my critisism (if you read waaaay down the posts) WAS constructive, along with at least a few other users...

As I already stated - I really do like this drawing. It's very nicely done, I just think it lacks a certain miscehvious look and emotion that the current Tele has...and there are a few other minor things that bothered me about it, that I will not get into again. Ctrl+F my name if you want to see them, but keep in mind...nothing was meant as an insult to Tsume, or her art...if it seems I said it that way, I apologize.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Eeer. Obviously = oblivious. XD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

K.
Firstly,
I adore this revamp. I am obviously to these anatomical problems that everyone is seeing. If people would like to specify, it would be most helpful in fixing. <3

Secondly,
The amount and effort and time Tsume put into this was unbelievable â€“ spanning months I believe. She has taken criticism from us for weeks on end and has taken everything we have said into account. I am personally shocked at the negativity Iâ€™m seeing here, it seems all of you are feeding off eachother and forgetting that there is someone who has worked their grass off behind this image, and I think she deserves comments which are made supportively and constructively.

Thirdly,
The opinions of telenine owners are no more prevalent than those of people who do not own telenines, ease off. Newbies also have their rights, and the stigma attached to them is really getting to me. Not every Newbie is an absolute invalid. Please give them respect as their views matter to the site as much as any subetan veteran.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion, I will not deny that. It is perfectly okay to find fault in the revamp. But the destructive delivery of your opinions has shocked me â€“ itâ€™s not what this site is about; remember that.

<3 to Tsume.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

What bothers me is the whole "they have to fit the Subta Style" thing. When I look at all the pets together the ones that look out of place are the new ones. Does that mean EVERY pet is going be redone? Seems that would need doing to keep the style the same, no? I don't like how the revamps are going. They all look like some realistic toy with the plastic wrap filter run on them.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Frankly, I'm appauled at the way some of you have acted.

I mean, I'm not sure if some of you (who think you're giving it) know what constructive criticism is. You don't have to go "BEST PICTURE EVER!", but nor do you have to go "I HATE IT, LET IT DIE".

Please, have some TACT when you criticise. Don't whine that your comments aren't going to be used, because if they're valid, I'm sure Tsume will be willing to fix it.

On another note, I love the new version, and voted for it. I think that as a whole, it looks much better than the old one and has more character and life in it. <3 Not to mention that the standard is much higher. <3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Dokuja, don't forget these 2 then:

I have this pet, but I don't care either way
I don't have this pet, and I just want free sP

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Also, I imagine, the "I'll get this pet if the vote goes through" will have the second most sway, even though it's totally unreliable; people might decide not to get the pet after all, or mean they can imagine themselves getting it but just plain never do it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I have this pet and like this revamp.
2) I have this pet and don't like this revamp.
3) I don't have this pet, but will adopt one if this revamp goes through.
4) I don't have this pet, and won't adopt one if this revamp goes through.

The problem with that is people will know the reason for the split is because the owners of the actual pet in question have more reason for voting the way they vote, thus giving that poll more sway (the reason it exists) so users who just want things a certain way whether they're affected or not could lie.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I, personally, like this telenine. But that's only because that way it is standing is like the way the first telenine I ever saw was. I was totally distraught when it was revamped to the current style(My telenine, however, was only temporarily affected as I made mine graveyard), not that I didn't like it.. The lineart was just a little to thin for my tastes. So, pretty much, I line both, I'm just leaning more towards the new. But I suppose I can only hope that if the graveyard telenine is revamped that it will still look good. But all this is just my simple opinion, please nobody yell at me. ._o;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

thats a very good idea Dokuja! I think that would do well, and i also like the idea of no sP for voting too, its not like your getting much in the first place anyways.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Dude. D: Split the polls into four categories:

1) I have this pet and like this revamp.
2) I have this pet and don't like this revamp.
3) I don't have this pet, but will adopt one if this revamp goes through.
4) I don't have this pet, and won't adopt one if this revamp goes through.

;D

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

<quote>Oh I truly hope this does not happen. I would be very very sad if this happened.</quote>

Unfortunatly Tracy, it probably will happen. Since people have posted that Kelpie does not like Lycan's pets because they're not "Subeta Style" they will most likely be flushed out eventually.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Haha yeah okay well lets get some things settled.

1. Seriously Subeta, you people need to take away the sP given out by polls and then when you have revamp polls DO NOT LET THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A TELENINE VOTE ON THE POLLS! I mean no one listens to the users who LIKE their old version of the Telenine better. No offence to whoever drew it but hm.. I will talk about some things I do not like.

2. I do not like how he looks so short. I think the legs should be a little longer. He's not all short and stocky.

3. Also I think his head looks to small for his body. It needs to be made a little larger or it needs to be positioned in such a way that's not going to make him look like he's got such a big head.

4. The spikes on it's back look like they're coming out of his back. Like they're gunna fall off. They probably should of been made to look like they were deeper into his spine.

5. His back leg. The line for the outline of the hip. It should be more aligned with the spine no?

6. He's not as bushy and furry as he once was. My telenine had a huge bushy furry tail. It makes him look so cute. ;

So unfortunatly. Since the majority wins and no one reallys cares if we think certain things on the Telenine should be replaced, as soon as this revamp is complete, I'm either going to change my common Telenine Lucavex or I'm getting rid of him.

Also on another note..

Dickie I agree with you. Also if they ever decide to revamp the chibi version. I will vote for the old even though I do not have a chibi telenine(because you know it's so cool to vote for the new even though you do not have it I will vote for the old even though I don't have one. Because what some people don't know is that you paid REAL MONEY to get your extra pet slots meaning the money you paid to Subeta would then be going to waste since it'd probably be made to look more like the newer one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Both old and new versions have there good points and bad ones. I like the new one more, but the old one did seem to have more character in the eyes and face.

Still, it's very good, the artist did a wonderful job, even if everyone doesn't like it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I wouldn't be surprised if the antlephore was revamped.

Oh I truly hope this does not happen. I would be very very sad if this happened.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I own 2 Teles...does my opinion count twice as much?

And I just realized something...this new version must be wearing the extention fangs (inside joke for all you Tele owners )

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm not much of a Telenine fan, but i do really like this revamp. The old one to me looks flat and really toony. This one is fuller and less toony. Kudos to the artist.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

My first thought when I logged on and saw this "Oh, god, no."

It's not that I DON'T like this, because I really do like it. The only thing wrong are a few anatomy issues, but I believe, like the montre, this revamp takes away the expression in the face of the old telenine. The eyes look very dull, unlike in the old version they stood out very nicely. The tail isn't fluffy, either.

I love this, though. It's very, very good. Kudos to the artist.

I voted old, though.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm going to have to vote for the old one. As others have said before the anatomy on the new one just has way too many flaws to leave me happy (I'd be constantly picking at the flaws as thats what I do...I look over things very carefully). The pose is a little off too, and just lacks a bit compaired to the old one.

If the old one had been given a re-color (some updated shading) then I'd be all for a re-vamp as I dislike how flat the old one is.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think Lycan is genious. One need only visit her DA to see so. So she likes cartoony what is wrong with that? I just truly hope her feelings are not hurt. She is one of my best friends on the internet. I have just recently got to know Tsume. I love her to pieces too. The Spectrum, Hydrus and Reborn Telenine are absolute Genius as well.

I really hope some of the comments made in here do not hurt either of these young ladies' feelings because they are people not just machines who make awesome images.

I just wish Lycan still worked here so she could revamp her pets well actually the Telenine is Christine's pet well actually they are all Keith's
but anyways if this new style needs extra layers and shiney eyes. The Lycan could add another layer of shading and make the lines thicker or whatever if not Tsume is an awesome artist and I am sure you can review comments and tweak.

The only thing I wanna know why so many revamps when the first ones are not finished? I have been waiting and waiting for the new Festers.
Also Subeta Database clearly shows all the pets have not been drawn in every color so I wonder if time could be spent finishing these things before there are revamps.

The rule used to be Chibis were left alone in Revamps. Well maybe it is not a rule but a tradition. I wish that would remain. I love Travis and Hyrum as is.

Anyways Lycan and Tsume
I Lurves you both.

I do not know how to

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I am sorry but I don't like this very much. Like many people said, the telenine seems made of plastic. The body looks a bit like an elongated oval, making it (body) look stiff. THe pack spikes look too smal and as if they were about to be shot off the body or fall of or something. I don't mind the tooth many are criticizing, actually, I really like it.
I like the effect of the paws and lower legs and the tail. I don't like that slightly smug look it has though, yet that is simply taste.
Oh yes, I do like the spots better ont his version, although my vote will go to the current version.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I voted for the old one.

The revamp looks like an action figure to me. Like a toy. I believe it's because the shading is a bit harsh, as if the pet is made of plastic and a bright light is shining on it. I also don't like the front tooth. It's too long. I believe someone else commented that it makes the telenine look toothish. I agree. The pose also seems off. Once again more like an action figure pose than a pose an actual pet would take.

Aside from those points it's wonderful work.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love the pose of the spectrum and how he's drawn. I used to have one but I didnt like spctrum because it just didnt fit my pet Ravyn. Maybe it will work for the old one better then the revamp, or atleast something simular.
This is just my oppinion though.

Also, I dont know why so many members are attacking eachother for silly little comments, just ignore them, this is the place for comments not arguments. And I'm sure its a pain when the staff members have to read through all of it when they're just trying to figure out oppinions.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Wow. o__o For appreciating constructive criticism, people sure like to put others down for it. /; Kinda puts the whole 'Chill Effect' into progress. x__x If one person's opinion is put down, why shouldn't yours be? I don't know, commenting is beginning to make me weary. XD -goes to hide-

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

What is actually BAD abot the chibi kora, telenine, and ruffie?

Yasuragi...I'm not trying to be art director, I'm allowed to dislike pets like anyone else...why is ME disliking something different to anyone else?

And, yes, I often want a pet then find out it gets revamped...I can't help which pets this site chooses to revamp! But I'm not lying...I still have that twilight keeto elixir rotting in my vault and I told lycan/tracy I wanted another telenine ages ago...in fact I asked lycan if she'd do me a custom coloured version

I don't love putting artists work down...did I put down the torrent? did I put down the escalade?
I 'put down' pets that have problems with their art. It's as simple as that.

Pleasing the majority is fine...but when there's still a very large minority which really don't like something then it needs to be addressed.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I chose the old version only because the new version's tooth in the front is far too long for a dog type pet... looks sabre toothish

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

"Actually....sorry Dickie, but I personally despise the current chibi telenine. I'm looking forward to seeing it redrawn, it actually kind of frightens me. I look at it and think of the Flinstones, which just doesn't seem right."

i totally back that statement up, Fenshae. I think that the chibi telenine, kora and ruffie and probably the worst chibi's i've seen. :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i dunno. oO; tracing is good an all.. but i dislike the leg proportions on the old telenine. oo; the anatomy isn't that great. Perhaps sticking with the sitting down pose, sure. the same expression and face. sure. same eyes. no. same legs. no. -exact- same pose. no thanks. ;/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Actually....sorry Dickie, but I personally despise the current chibi telenine. I'm looking forward to seeing it redrawn, it actually kind of frightens me. I look at it and think of the Flinstones, which just doesn't seem right.

I also hate the current graveyard telenine. It looks like some combination of drowned and anorexic.

No offense to those artists either, of course--they just both really irk me. Actually, the only telenines I like are the original colors + darkmatter--because of the expression.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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Every revamp gets more 'yes' votes than 'no'...it's because it's the first option and people click for the sP...also a lot of those votes will be newbie votes who probably will never own a telenine and just took a quick glance at the image.

Ironically, many old users who are complaining also lack a common posed telenine. In fact 80% of the time we revamp pets, people complain even though they don't own the pet. Most of the time I see montres, Kumos (The REVAMPED ones mind you) Kerubis or whatever.

You're also implying that most newbies are only voting because it's new and shiney. I think many people have more common sense than that. As someone stated in the topics, polls are made in the favor of the members of subeta. We use the polls to pleases the majority. If they vote yes for a revamp, it goes through. We can't say no to please the minority, then we are angering the majority.

Also:

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I don't think spectrum will be changed as it's drawn by the same artist as this revamp...but I bet the chibi will be changed and I'm not looking forward to getting rid of mine
I was planning on getting a telenine but I heard about this revamp a few months ago so I put it off...I'm glad I did because people almost inevitably vote new on everything.

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I'm glad the default hasn't been changed...I guess I'll make my would-have-been twilight keeto into a default one.

Everytime we revamp a pet, most of the time you say 'Oh I was going to change ______ into [insert revamped species], but now I won't.' Dickie I have no problems with you but you seem to love putting down the artist's work. I know it's okay to have an opinion, but sometimes your comments sound like you're trying to be art director.

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Kelpie said she doesn't like Lycan's style...in fact I think she said she hated it...and Kelpie's in charge of art now :/

Kay, I wont go into a lesson on tact. But Kelpie doesn't hate the style, she says it's not 'subeta style'. There's a difference.

I'm not trying to start something but it irks me that this happens everytime

I know you're a good guy, Dickie but a lot of people see this XD;

Okay, back on topic with me. Tsume is going to work hard on the revamped Telenine. Everyone's crits are taken to account and will be used to fix the telly

If you can, constructive critism does wonders. Thanks a lot guys

Also, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the fact my eyes are not burning from the electric blue. Yes the old tele is rather nice but not a pet I'd adopt at the current moment. It doesn't appeal to me, no offense to lycan who is a great artist

Seriously.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

People have mentioned the current (old) Telenine's colours (in a bad way). I LOVE the old Tele's colours. They're very dynamic.
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Please don't change the Chibi Telenine. I don't have one...yet...but it's one of the most pleasing-looking Chibis (in my eyes, of course).
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I voted old, the new one is good, but the old one I like more. Especially the tail. It looks so floofy and like it's in motion. This maybe looks a little posed.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Rapytur, you gave me new reason to post.

It can be done to just redo the old one with the same pose but new coloring. I personally know a few close friends who would be devestated, and one who has dealt with two of the revamps on her own pets.

The revamp just does not have the personality of the telenine. It's like a Bratz doll only with detachable legs instead of feet. o.o

The shading is beautiful, some of the best I've seen. I truly like the detail but the pose should return to the old.

Granted I never owned a telenine but admired them from afar really.

I voted old, I like the older better and I know how many users would be quite upset... this site may be run by staff, but the users influence it a lot more than I think we are given credit for. We donate by buying potions and soforth as well as gold accounts to help pay to keep the site running because we love it.

Staff fluxuates(sp?) and their likes are always changing and so is the art that is produced. Granted, as the poll looks now, the revamp holds about 69% of the vote. Which in some ways I believe voting in such polls should be limited to a certain age as much as abandoning a pet does. Only those who have stuck around should vote... maybe we'd get better outcomes.

Sorry, I mean no offence to anyone, but the art is beautiful but it's completely changed. None of it's old personality is there. I'm pretty sure this revamp will go through, but I can easily say a lot of people will get upset about this...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I prefer the snarky attitude of the old one... The art for this revamp is good, no doubt, but it's lost the feel that I loved about the older version. Others have pointed out any criticisms I could make regarding anatomy and the like, so I won't go there... Bwuh. I will be very disappointed of this revamp takes place; Binh just wouldn't be the same... I hope the BR telenines won't get changed either, as I just turned Cohelo...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ugh. Dx And just a week or two ago, I bought my friend a BloodRed Telenine Elixir.. x__o She doesn't like the new ones, either. If they change the BR Telenines, I'll go nuts along with her.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

<3 I hope the artist doesn't get offended by my voting for the old one. I absolutely LOVE how this one was drawn. ^^! But, I think the new one lost the personality that I valued a lot in the old Telenine. <3 It was the sweet goofy smirky face that made me sell my soul to the telenine in the first place! <333349. (and if the revamp made it through, Shikaku's attitude wouldn't fit anymore. Of course, I could always draw personal fitting pictures of him for myself, but I'd much rather it be on the whole site. hides)

Tsume's Telenines are bee-ah-u-tee-ful. <3 But I just don't think this one fits. I'd agree that more people will vote for it if it's redrawn in the same pose with the same adorable grin and eyes. n_____n With the new shading and new lineart, of course. ^^. And with Tsume's awesome touch.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I personally traced the telenine design and...it didn't come out GOOD or anything but the artist could try, no? ... meh.

Here.

I dunno what the big deal is though...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I see your point Cyde. Good convincing.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i voted old, for several reasons.

the new one, while very beautifully colored, has several anatomy flaws. they've been mentioned several times already, so i won't repeat them. also, the new one has none of the personality that was in the old one.

as has been suggested already, i think the old one should simply be recolored, instead of completely redrawing it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Anyway, I vote Tsume traces Lycan's design and recolours it!
I think that would be a happy medium.

I think that's the best suggestion, and others have said that as well.

Perhaps we could get a version of the Tele like that, and re-do the poll with 3 choices (leave as is/old pose with new lineart/shading/totally ne version)?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It has Dickie, it has...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Anyway, I vote Tsume traces Lycan's design and recolours it!
I think that would be a happy medium.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well it's true Kelpie is in charge of art now as that's her job...and she's said to me before she disliked Lycan's style...I'm not certain if she said she hated it...but something to the effect of deeply disliking it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I hadn't pinned the look of the new one's eyes to be depressed, but you're right Quetzel. I related it to being sedated. My boyfriend's pointed out to me how the new one looks more dominant (which is why he likes it), but to me, it doesn't look dominant on purpose; just like it's had it's picture taken while it's sedated, just before it stumbles into another awkward pose. The old one, however submissive it is with it's sitting down and it's head tilted, looks like it means to be that way, thus drawing it together with far more power and potentional and it's character.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Subeta's 'style' seems to have changed rapidly since a new bunch or artists joined...it's quite worrying because a lot of the art getting revamped was the reason a lot of people joined this site
I guess most of the old pets will be changed now...if the current telenine isn't subeta style anymore then I except all evee1's pets to be redrawn soon

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">This telenine looks like I'm about to run over it with a pickup truck. Can we say, "Deer in headlights?" I don't like the gaze and it looks a bit depressed.

Yeah, and the old one looks like it's driving that pickup

that's why I liked it so much heehee

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I sure hope that isn't true, Dickie.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

"Kelpie said she doesn't like Lycan's style...in fact I think she said she hated it...and Kelpie's in charge of art now :/"
@ Ohno.. ;-;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Kelpie said she doesn't like Lycan's style...in fact I think she said she hated it...and Kelpie's in charge of art now :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

"...and now I'm noticing all of her pets getting redrawn (I bet antlephore's next)."
Oh gosh. x__o If my antlephores are merely touched, I'm going to flip. ;-;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hemp I disagree.

I think that almost unanimously Telenine owners would accept an identical image eyes/mouth/pose included, with updated lineart and shading.

Theres not a single person here who would say the style of the art fits in with Subeta. Everyone recognises that its outdated and needs to change.

Thats your example, you're right, everyone should get a vote between old thin lineart, or new nice lineart.

HOWEVER, only Telenine owners should get to vote on substantial changes to the personality of the pet. There is no "subeta style" for personalities, we should be aiming to have our pets in as many different personalities as possible, hence a standard "style" would be counter productive.

The personality of this telenine has (apparently) (Im not a Telenine owner so I wouldnt know) been changed in the eyes and mouth, aswell as the pose. And that is where my example comes in. The pose of a pet doesnt affect anyone who doesnt own one. As long as the new image, be it new or old pose, has the new lineart and shading style thats all non owners need to care about.

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