I totally get not policing off-site! Nobody on Staff has time for that. I was made aware offsite but the screenshots are of Subeta comments so the activity is onsite. It was why I was asking if blocked people are allowed to talk about each other even if names aren't names but I guess that's better addressed by a UA.

I don't like getting notifications that I was blocked. It's kind of off putting, in a way,especially if you've never interacted with that user and you're wondering what you did.

I don't know how well a mute button would work because you can still he blocked by anyone, for any reason

I'm still opposed to the idea of blocking purchases automatically just because you're blocking personal interaction, because those are two different things.

However, if they are separate processes, a person who wants to block both interaction and purchases could still do that, and it would put an end to the "but what if I just meant to block someone until I calm down" problem.

If I never want to see someone's posts or comments because our personalities are incompatible, or they have a terrible take on a social issue that affects me directly, I don't care if they buy my public CWs.

Only a few people in this thread have expressed expressed similar opinions or liked my post, and I get that, but I also think the numbers are skewed with respect to the site as a whole. People who don't care who buys their CWs have no motivation to participate in a thread like this unless they understand that they might lose sales because of it.

People who only buy CWs are probably not going to favour this either. If you, like me, block people you don't know very well because they made you mad in the news comments, those people probably don't even remember the interaction. If you blocked without interacting to keep yourself from throwing a fit in public, the person doesn't even know you're mad at them. If they buy your CWs, they're not doing it out of spite or to annoy you. They probably don't even realise that they are blocked because on their end, your interaction was nonexistent and/or trivial.

On the flipside, if someone has been a pain in the aft to me about my releases or is in the habit of pulling shady tricks with flipping and pricing items, I may not want them in my shop, but I may not want to never see them again in the forums, because maybe they're hilarious when they're not being terrible customers.

This is a code problem. It has to be. I still don't know why I can see the shops and items of some people that I know have blocked me, but not others. It's really weird and it doesn't actually have anything to do with whether I blocked them back or not, because if I unblock the person, I still can't see the stuff.

I can only assume that something in the code has glitched somewhere.

Making them separate processes is probably easier on the coding side, too, since the code for shops is different than the code for forums. And if both processes are separate, you will then know for sure that you've actually got both blocks in place.

Seeing someone's name in your sales history is not a CW shop issue. I can't see who buys my CWs out of my CW shop. It's a user shop issue. Frankly, I would totally support removing the names of buyers from the user shop sales history page.

Not only would it eliminate the ability of a harasser to make you see their name by getting all up in your sales history, it would also put an end to some other types of bullshit, like people demanding that buyers sell things back to them, and sending comments to people who buy things from them that make them feel weird.

ETA: To the people who ask "why would somebody buy my CWs if they don't like me?"

There are lots of possible reasons why someone would do this. As someone who has done this, here are some of them:

1. I don't like talking to you because we annoy each other, but your CWs are pretty.

2. I like the artist you commissioned and collect their stuff.

3. Even though we don't like each other, you have released a birthday CW for someone who IS my friend, and whose ping group you have pinged, so now I am aware of it, and I like the birthday person and I also like the CW. And even though the post says "pinged only" I was in fact pinged.

4. I blocked you because you said something that made me go red in the forums and I wanted to bless you out from here to Tanzania, but I knew that if I did, 5 other people would block me for being bitchy in public and I wouldn't even know who they were. (This has happened to me and I've learned from it!) I have since completely forgotten that you are the person I fought with because you never made me angry again.

5. You are one of the people who blocked me because I got mad at your friend, or because you dislike my politics, but you've never actually talked to me and I don't even know you've blocked me.

6. It's a tribute to my favourite character or my favourite fandom. I don't care who you are, if you make a tribute to Ford from Gravity Falls, or Ravage or Soundwave from Transformers, I'm gonna find a way to get that item. Sorry it's not personal!

7. That particular item hits an emotional note in me that I didn't even know I had, and I didn't even look to see who released it.

None of these reasons are "to spite you" or "to harass you" or "to hurt your feelings".

I'm not sure I understand your post! Maybe I wasn't clear with what 'mute' means?

The mute button would be like a 'baby block' where you just wouldn't see someone's posts / comments. A lot of sites use this and it's kind of just a way to make someone 'quiet' so you don't see their content.

What if there were multiple levels of blocking? Like you could do a temporary block that automatically lifts itself after a week or something. Then a partial block where you can allow a blocked user to buy from your shop. And then a full block where they absolutely cannot interact with you anywhere at all on the site?

I don't like blocking people permanently. I only usually block for a short while before unblocking them to give them another chance.

Oh, kind of like Facebook where you can "snooze" their content for 30 days or opt to never see the stuff they post.

Sorry. I probably misunderstood something or read something too fast.

I really like the idea of removing usernames from a CW purchase through their shop

I would love it. It's sad, because I like to send presents to people when I see a birthday cake next to their name, and sales history is one of the places I see that sometimes, but I will trade the ability to be a random birthday fairy so that people can't be harassed through their usershops.

Also I sometimes get very odd messages after buying things. Not often, but it's still disconcerting.

I don't have anyone blocked, nor do I think anyone has blocked me, but reading this thread has been enlightening! It does seem like the feature could use some tweaking for the final version of V2 subeta. I understand that might take a while to be finished, but I think it's good to have these features on Keith's radar so they can be worked in as V2 is being made.

Some basics from my standpoint:

-If I block someone, I don't want to see them on site, ever. I don't want to have access to their threads, comments, ping groups, user/cw shops, or trades and I don't want them to have access to any of mine. -I do think the CW directory should still be fully accessible, regardless of blocked status. If User A blocks User B, and it's not like User B can contact User A to try and acquire a CW that User A released, after all (if blocking functions are updated to my list above.) -However, I understand that being able to see their list of recent posts (and them being able to see mine) could be used as small safeguard against "invisible" harassment like blocking someone, then creating posts on a private ping group or something to bad mouth them. Recent posts have to be intentionally sought out versus being publicly viewable, so I think it's reasonable that they still be accessible.

Edit: I also support the "Mute" function that a few people in this thread have mentioned, where I could pause seeing the posts/comments of a person without revoking access to their shops/trades.

Maybe it's because I'm chronically low on spoons but I'm confused and I'm hoping someone can take a moment to clarify this for me.

I have blocked people and am blocked by people and I am unable to see the threads or posts of people on either list. The ONLY thing I can see of a blocked/blocked by person's post is the title if it's the most recent thread in a subforum. If I click it I get an error message and I am unable to actually view the thread. So I'm just not really sure what the issue is? Is it being able to see the title at all? I guess I would prefer some of the people I've blocked to be banished to the Shadow Realm for me but unless it's clearly a targeted thread (which should be dealt with if it's obvious that's what it is anyway) it's not a huge deal for me. Though I would definitely like two levels of blocking if it's possible! Some people I'd just like to mute if I find them annoying and some people I'd like to never have the misfortune of interacting with them again.

tbh I have no idea whether or not I'm buying from blocked users' shops because I never look at usernames. Same with people buying from my shops. If it's in my shop I want the sP, not the item, so it doesn't bother me who buys it. I wouldn't even notice who's doing it because I don't really look at my shop log except when a big ticket item sells and I'm curious what it was.

Since I don't sell CWs I had no idea people were actually spending CSC to buy up items from someone they don't like and flipping them. That's incredibly ridiculous. I kind of wonder if it would be possible for sellers to set a CW as account-locked? Like, is that a feasible and reasonable option? Some people might not care if their CWs get resold, traded, gifted, etc. but since it seems that a lot do maybe that would be a good option? Not sure how that would work with pawning CWs though.

I don’t care about the cw shops right now.

I want to block the people purposely undercutting and basically scamming people out of normal price on mage amulets, new items, the keelhauliday items from buying from my usershop.

I can’t even autoprice right now because staff refuse to fix the issue of these scammers ripping everyone off for their own gain.

Wait, let me ask something. Is it wrong to undercut if I just want to sell something quickly? I do it all the time to just get rid of stuff.

This isn’t to sell quickly. This is s group of people targeting many groups of items, lowering them to 2,000 or 1,999 and buying up everything that gets lowered to that price to sell for profit. Repeatedly. Daily. Constantly.

Ohhhh okay, that's different than what I'm doing then I think. Cause I barely buy anything. so, kind of like what the Merchants Guild on Neo does lately: buy a bunch of cheap stuff and purposefully inflate the value.

If it wasn't to such a large scale it wouldn't be so bad. The scale of this issue is crazy tho. Its been getting worse the longer its not fixed too.

Sorta? I mean this is people take items like mage amulets or the new keel hauliday items that generally sell for much more, throwing one in their shop cheap and then when people autoprice snagging all the cheap items to sell at normal price. It’s just crooked.

Yeah, I don't find that fair at all either. So what is the ideal solution for this?

Make it against rules? Let us block users from buying from their shops? Anything besides telling us to suck it up and deal until they figure something out.

Not to be the naive one here, but how do you guys find this group of users, or even when it happens? I'd like to protect myself from it but a lot of times I don't remember to check after I've autopriced and even then, I only check for things less than 1k, mostly for fragging fodder.

It seems more complicated than blocking a user(s), since there are a lot of people that AP in a short time frame so even if you had 3 users blocked, several others wouldn't know or have them blocked, have already AP'ed and then it just spirals. I don't think the fix would be to block those people b/c it would only work on those that are aware of it. (I've only read about it and caught it ONE time, since I generally don't quite get how others are able to see it so quickly.) The fix should really be in the other thread about fixing the autoprice issues in general, in which I'll add my 2 cents in when I stop being a vulture to Freyalise. :P

You can see who's purchased from your shop in your sales history. If it's the same person (or same people) buying up cheap items and then you go and see that those same items are available in their shops for more, I think the general consensus is that those are the people doing this sort of thing.

I don't pay enough attention to see if people are dropping prices on purpose to raise them later, much less to see who it is. I know of a couple users who buy up items in bulk at a certain price but I've never personally tried to figure out if they were manipulating those prices or just buying them when they see them (the same way I buy up items to frag)

I also could've sworn that if there was a group effort to do that sort of thing that it was actually against the rules - if you do it on your own, it's allowed though. I can't find that rule now anymore but if there is a group rather than just multiple individuals doing it, that's potentially risky (on top of just the risks of losing your low-priced items before catching any autopricers) as well as kind of shitty