I cant seem to get my tier 12 AP 190 to 60 wins kept bombing out at 51

I'm not sure what else I can do? My tier 11 AP 90 only got to level 20 I wonder if others got further.

i still have all my tomes, I'm not sure who I should use them on

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My fresh T12 with 197 AP could only get to win 50 as well. With some luck, I could maybe get another win in or two, but definitely not to 60. So you might just have to wait it out on your t12 for them to get a bit stronger.

Good to know it is not just me that cannot get the wins I just dont know which pet I should be using my tomes on then.

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My fresh T12s with 142 AP got to 50, but 60 didn't seem possible (snuggles, mittens, and mall cop) My low T11s with 104 AP could get to 30 and were stuck there from the scaling. (waffles and fluffy)

The scaling is such that it doesn't seem like lots of intelligence so you can stuff your scroll set full of GotF and freezing scrolls will give you nearly as much of an advantage in pushing wins as it normally does. You just need to have a beefy pet to eat the damage, curse, and be able to bounce back. My T12s don't have nearly as much health and intelligence as 's T12, but two of them have significantly more strength and we're more or less getting the same results regardless of build, weapons, and scrolls.

Yeah, same as others! My T12 (150AP) is sitting at 53 wins right now. I'm not sure how much I could push it further currently. Was very reliant on luck to squeak in the last win.

My very late T8 (79 AP) is sitting at 32 wins currently. I'll likely push him into T9 before I try again. I'd love to get at least 35 on him.

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My mid-T12 with 199 AP got to 60 wins against the bookcase, but took a few losses getting there.

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Seems like it, any changes would be welcomed.

Battling has such potential to be a main feature of this site. It’s the reason I came back actually. In my opinion it’s the best turn based battle game available. Like… anywhere

I think people would flock here if they knew it existed.

I love our battle system and would be down for ways to make it more interesting somehow. xD

Here’s to hoping they remove the cap

Wouldn't Pokemon be a turn-based battle game?

Subeta's battle system as it currently stands I don't think could ever become super popular. The early game is too miserable to get people hooked. And the lategame is compelling more because you have put so much time into it by the time you get to the endgame that its rewarding to accomplish something. But the gameplay in the endgame is also pretty bad, it's the planning that's interesting.

This isn't to say that I don't have hope. I think it's just very important to realize that there are flaws in something so that you can fight to improve it. Overall Subeta's battling is like a C+ game right now.

Yet here you are lol

I enjoy the battling here. I understand some things might need tweaked or updated. I just hope that all these questions about the battle system doesn't change it into something that is unrecognizable.

It just seems like all these battle questions is leading to that. Maybe I am reading more into it though. It would just make me sad to have it totally changed.

time. Battle Quest

Yes because i'm in the late endgame. The early game is an F-, the late endgame is a B-, the midgame is like a B+/A-, overall i'd call it a C+.

I also devote far less time per week to this game than to any other game that I play. This isn't to say that I don't want the game to be better. I really enjoy these types of games as shown by the fact that I have written several guides to help new players and suggestion threads to try and solve some of the problems with the game.

I think what a lot of people here forget is that we have a type of survivor bias in that we still play because we enjoy these types of games. However, If I look at the game objectively, could I recommend that someone pick up Subeta Battles over say Legends of Arceus, or any of the pokemon titles, or even some older games like Diablo II/III, Hearthstone, MTG Arena, Super Auto Pets, TFT, or even just Online Chess.

If you compare your first 20 hours playing any of those games to the first 20 hours playing subeta it's no contest which one is going to hold a player's attention to get them playing another 20 hours. Subeta gets much more fun probably around 80+ hours in spread over 2 months, but not many people have survived that much time through the slog of the early stages, and I think its a tough sell to say to someone hey you should give this game a try it gets really fun around the 80 hour mark...