Ahhh, I was thinking about skipping a potion altogether and having the NPC just recolor the pet. :) My concern with the potion is that some people would just resell them (similar to how people resell MKBs).

The only way reselling could be an issue is if there was a time limit, and a time limit would annoy me.

I don't mind reposes like reborn and bloodred and galactic have eccentric ways to be gotten, but recolors are the kind of things that I feel should just have potions, rather than being a large, complicated quest.

If they're like Cherry and Silver, they won't have elixirs, just potions, so the price will be pretty much stable.

But yeah. I'd single-handedly pay the 500M if there was a potion involved, and I'd relucantly pay a little if there wasn't. I like convenience, and there have been so many issues with galactic that...I'd rather not have more colors being like that.

Ah, I didn't explain myself very well, haha. I don't mean for there to be a complicated quest (like Galactic). I meant that the user would literally just give 500k sp and the NPC would do the recolor. :) Like this:

NPC: Hello visitor. Are you here for me to recolor your pet? User: Yes, I'd like for you to recolor (name of pet) NPC: Please pay a 500k fee. (after payment) NPC: Here is your pet!

Yeah, this is exactly the kind of issue that happened with Galactic and what I want to avoid with having potions.

You select the pet, and then, you never complete the quest because you don't have the money on you, and years later, you remember OH RIGHT, THIS IS A THING because you want to have a idk, Magenta Sheeta, and you accidentally recolor your Angelic Warador Turquoise after paying 500K because you forgot you started a quest two years ago.

Paying sP to get your pet recolored isn't a bad idea - but it's nothing new either. Subeta already does that. Instead of a NPC, you get the Millionaire Center, but it's exactly the same thing.

Personally, I feel like if I wanted to recolor my pet, and I knew it cost 500k sp, I would just get 500k sp before going to NPC to get the recolor, but I understand that not everyone works this way, lol.

I think that the issue could be fixed with a timer (personally, I think Galactic should have it too). After say, two weeks, the artist NPC can cancel your commission because he's tired of waiting for payment. :)

With potions, I feel like one potential problem would be that users would buy them from each other rather than from the NPC, which defeats the purpose of having it as an sp sink in the first place.

What was the last color added to the MC? Scribble, right? We really are due for another.

If there is a potion with a price ceiling, people reselling will have no choice but to make a loss on each sale, because well, the official price is 500K.

Again, this idea is good for reposes. For recolors, I really am not feeling it. Recolors are not something super special that need to have high rarity.

The site is already doing away with elixirs, and it would make me seriously sad if it's doing away with potions as well.

It's good that Subeta keeps doing things that are working, sure.

I've noticed whilst questing that a lot of the lower rarity items (e.g. mundane, common, etc.) are listed in user shops for far less than the NPC shops. Obviously, people would buy those items from users, right? (ie. sp transfer rather than sink) If someone has any low rarity items that they don't want, to get any benefit from getting rid of them, one has a choice of selling, fragging or recycling.

So this is an indirect way to get more sp sinks on a regular basis-- The Fragmentizer: Remove the crystal probability from all fraggable items (it's not guaranteed right now) so people can keep all those ridiculously cheaper low rarity items out of their user shops, but still benefit by getting guaranteed crystals, and it would encourage more buying from the NPC shops.

I don't know the reasoning behind the conversion probability, so I really can't be sure of any drawbacks with a change like this. But it's a way to move buying behavior from user shops to NPC shops.

Can the sales of the low rarity items be analyzed to see just how many items are bought at lower than the official price? (Perhaps not counting discount card usage?)

Both of you bring up a really good point with the Millionaire Center. However, as Sopheroo mentioned, there is a timer on the MC, and I feel like that timer might incentivize people to buy from user shops. Tbh, I feel like that might already be happening? I did a little price comparison between MC and Shop Search prices:

Millionaire Center: Dark Matter Potion: 4 mil Chibi Potion: 1.5 mil Potion of Purity: 1 mil

Shop search: Dark Matter Potion: 4.2 mil Chibi Potion: 1.9 mil Potion of Purity: 1.29 mil

Despite being more expensive, the items in the shop search are selling, and each potion bought from the shop search means a wasted opportunity to sink a couple million sp.

Also, Sopheroo: I agree with you in that it would be logical for people not to buy from re-sellers when they can just get a potion for the official price. However, I dunno if all users are very logical, lol. For example, look at the items in GoOutside, an NPC shop where (afaik) there is no timer, or anything else to discourage people from buying there.

Go Outside Prices: Camp Jay: 20k sp Cowhorn Biscuit: 27.5k Freeze Dried Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream: 25k Safety for Campers: 35k

Shop Search Prices: Camp Jay: 470k sp Cowhorn Biscuit: 85k Freeze Dried Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream: 880k Safety for Campers: 240k

The prices in the ss are waaayyyy higher, and yet people are still buying them from shop search (afaik, if there's a number next to the "price today" section, it means that an item was bought through shop search, yes? Please correct me if I'm wrong on this). It could be from lack of awareness of the Go Outside shop or something else, but it does happen.

And I agree with you in that there is no need to make a recolor super rare, but I don't think that directly paying an NPC would make the color rare, as long as it is open to every user. The only aspect that I could think of that does add a bit of extra effort is the initial fundraising to get the color in the first place, and the only reason I thought of that was because we were looking for ways to sink as much sp as possible, lol. If y'all feel that the effort is too much, then there is no need to implement the fundraising at all. :) You could just have an NPC that does the pet recolors for a set amount of sp. :)

Having a NPC just do it removes something. I feel it's like that one suggestion someone made a while back, to just remove potions and elixirs and have a a button in the pet page allowing you to change them for SP.

Especially with the idea of painting your pet. This is too close to Neopets.

What we need is some kind of alchemist who needs "gold" (read - SP) to get his stuff to work. That would be a way better use for the Decanter rather than...whatever it's doing right now.

But yeah, I don't support more insta-color NPC. It's convenient, but too much convenience makes things boring.

timer is down to an hour now, the timer isn't a huge issue any more. if you make a potion expensive enough and not able to get from other sources, there won't be any, or will be very few, on the market for users to sell to each other. no one is going to spend 20 mil for a 5% markup

Change subq back to a regular restocking shop like it was before the invite system and up the sp price of the wears there,I'd personally pay more for subq things to help sink sp.

Also the positive thing with potions and elixirs is that there are so many people collecting them. I know several people with complete/near complete elixir collections, and they'd buy the potion, even if it was expensive, but they wouldn't necessary turn the pet that color.

I still really dig the list of potential colors we made earlier today. Most of them should be things.

I know a few people with potion and elixir collections too.

problem with color things is that art takes awhile and artists have to focus on that stuff instead of other stuff I'd think. I hate how slowly things get released, if new colors come out, can they just all get released at once?

Dude, have you seen what Flight Rising is doing?

They have 67 colors right now, and they're planning to expand their color wheel to DOUBLE THAT in the next few weeks/months. They're only doing ONE color wheel expansion, but it's a HUGE ONE.

And yes. REMINDER WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE NUCLEAR DEMI AND MONTRE. I really wish these were out already, omg.

I haven't ever played there D: I don't plan on it either. I can only balance a few games at one time, one more will throw me into panic mode.

I am sure recolors are a whole lot easier than something like a new battle challenger though. the art is the excuse we always get why we don't get more challengers.

I will be happy if no more BR elixirs are ever released, I'd need these :( unless they're put into a non-rsing shop.

I think the last BR elixir we got was the Mortiking, like, six years ago?

I'd like to see a specie who is designed as a money sink. Both creation and elixirs being pretty expensive, probably in the MC. Something that really screams RICH PEOPLE!!!!

And, another that can only be bought with wizard tokens. Something from the Sacred lands, blessed by Shinwa. But then, Maleria would need one too so...power crystal sink?

STOP ME.

You may be right about that.

I love the idea of expensive species. Honestly that was fun on neo with krawks/draiks how expensive they were before they got nerfed and made really common.

we don't need more crystal sinks, just more things to restock in the crystal shop. and token prices are pretty good right now with the weekly ts restocks. I don't see why those both can't be more sP sinks

If that were the case, I would be fully in support of a MC potion release. :) However, I'm not sure whether that is the case. Take for example, the following items, all of which have been bought from user shops today:

Millionaire Center Prices: Saggitarius Blade: 15 mil Reborn Wand of Doom: 10 mil Leidina Look-alike Large Sword: 10 mil Ornamental Item Catalogue: 14.5 mil Gilded Item Tome: 52.1 mil Mysterious Old Box: 11.72 mil Pirate Cutlass: 25 mil Forest Blade: 30 mil

Shop Search Prices: Saggitarius Blade: 33.75 mil Reborn Wand of Doom: 24 mil Leidina Look-alike Large Sword: 8.5 mil Ornamental Item Catalogue: 8.7 mil Gilded Item Tome: 49 mil Mysterious Old Box: 14.65 mil Pirate Cutlass: 24.9 mil Forest Blade: 28.9 mil

Even despite the barely-there timer, people are willing to buy 15-30 mil items from user shops, and the owners of those shops are still making money from them. In addition, in the cases of the Leidina Lookalike Sword, Ornamental Item Catalog, Gilded Item Tome and Forest Blade, sellers are willing to sell at a loss.

I feel like your response is completely logical and sensible, but again, I dunno how logical and sensible the entire userbase is, lol.

What do you feel is the appropriate amount of effort for a recolor pet (genuine question, not being snarky)? I'm just a bit confused because earlier, it seemed like you felt as if there shouldn't be too much effort for a recolor, but now it seems like you are saying you want there to be more effort to get a recolor, haha. Please correct me if I am misunderstanding! :)

Also, I'm embarrassed to say I don't really know what the decanter is/does, haha. Would you mind explaining it to me?