I actually kinda like the idea of adjusting games and quests to help fix the inflation. A lot of folks would be upset with our resident cash cow Saggi going into retirement, but there's so many other ways to earn sP that removing that whole quest out of the system would probably cut back on a lot.

Cutting back on how much sP some games give would be good, too. Just one (admittedly mediocre, considering my skill level) round of untimed Matlal's Jewels pays out ~20-25k, which can add up considering you get 10 games a day. Item Hunt probably pours a lot of sP into the system, too, especially at the higher tiers, despite how risk-reward it can be.

I don't know what level of adjustments would need to be made to reduce sP going out and keep the userbase as a whole from flipping out, but it sounds like a good route to consider alongside the sP sinks.

Reducing the amount of sP coming into the economy from quests and games would still mean that the rich stay rich. The rich need things they can spend their sP on in ways which will take their sP out of the economy.

Lots of suggestions that cripple new members or members who cant play too much as opposed to those who are actually filthy rich, old members who no longer have things to spend SP on. Don't kill quests or games.

Lets target the right people here, otherwise new members wont stick around :

Maybe one contribution to the problem of too much sP on the site is the number of special currencies we've got now. Players can buy stuff without spending any sP through posting on the forums (forum tickets) and doing quests (quest points). Then there's the holiday special currencies which we earn throughout the year.

We really need more special shops for holidays selling items for a lot of sP. For example, Quentin could have one at Morostide and Esther could have one at Vesnali.

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Maybe you shouldnt bother with sinks at all and should just look at the economy as a whole and see if it can be changed or find the reasons there are people with so much money and do something.

For example I think a lot of older members have lots of unique/retired/rare items which are very hard to get and sell for ridiculous amounts. If you brought back a way to EARN these items it would deflate the prices somewhat but still keep people buying them and spending sp at time same time.

I'm no expert but we should think outside the SP sinking box

I would love this. I hate holiday currency since I never seem to have enough, and then I end up having to buy items /currency from other players anyway. Alegarten was nice because I was able to get every single item (no, not every item I needed... literally every single item) and I have the sP to blow, so why not? Plus it gets out of the system rather than just going to another player.

I'm not saying "get rid of currency" but why not also have an option to buy the currency or items or something ?? If you don't want people buying up everything and selling for profit, make it locked to the account if they buy it with sP. I think that's reasonable. But honestly, I would use the shit out of the feature. There are so many items I still need from every holiday shop, and wouldn't you rather see my sP gone than just transferred?

I've got a lot of sP because there's rarely anything I want to buy with it these days apart from the occasional CSC gift card. If I didn't do quests, restock or vend I'd just come on here to collect bank interest and pet wages unless there was a special event running.

EDIT: As I said in another post, last year's Alegarten shop had very few new items and I didn't want any of them. This meant I didn't spend any sP there.

Wearables? battle pet stuff? pet TC? some sort of collection? do you not need or want anything like this? personally I find there is ALWAYS something I want to buy though I suppose you have been here a lot longer then I, 10 years vs 2 years. Theres 8+ years of stuff I want to buy and its all getting to 40mill SP + which kinda reiterates my point.

1. The only new wearables for Alegarten last year were two or three wigs and I didn't like them.

2. I tried battling but gave up after a while. I did a lot battling on other pet sites before I came here so I think it had lost its novelty value. Battlers aren't too happy about a lot of things at the moment and their complaints have put me off trying again.

3. There's not much new stuff these days that's suitable for my pets' treasure chests or galleries. Even if there was it wouldn't be an sP sink if they were (a) cash shop items (sp from buying gift cards would go to other players) or (b) ordinary restockable items which I could buy from other players or get as quest rewards.

One of my pets is a vampire. Another is a very bloodthirsty little lady who likes to collect things like the torture implement toys etc. If Quentin had a special Alegarten type shop at Morostide which stocked this kind of thing I'd happily spend millions of sP which would vanish from the site.

Hehe cool pets.

I get your point I suppose I'm not sure why they got rid of the holiday shop? but it sounds like it could help with a bit of SP sink.

The battle thing again is something completely different they need to work on. Personally I train my pets but don't actually battle a lot, most opponents are way too hard (why no scaling opponents subeta?) and lets not go into the other issues heh so not the point but even just training tier 3 pets its like 5k per pet for 75 mins (I'm doing like 5 at a time so 25k every hour and a bit) which if you do it enough is actually a nice SP sink they just need to motivate people to do it!!!

I really think if they put more emphasis and effort into some features they already have things would fix themselves. More battle opponents during events? better prizes for winning or consistently battling? get more people training and spending money to battle!

OK rant over sorry

User to user sales are not a problem, because they don't affect the economy at all. The SP just changes hands, no SP vanish in the transaction

Hmm I sort of see what you mean but at the same time I think it still doesnt help, If newer members are paying all these big bickies to older players, the people who likely already have "all the stuff" its just making their accounts more plush (part of the reason for these sinks?) where as if they were spending half as much on older items and they can go spend the rest on other things like the millionaire shop items etc, which IS going out the door.

Again though I do see your point and think things like adding to millionaire/holiday shops, making training and battle more interesting as well as maybe more collection things (COUGH MINION COLLECTION COUGH) would be a good option for SP going poof

Only if the wardrobe is turned into "clothes collection".

Seriously, no minion collections. More minion slots, yes. Hell yes. Because minions are designed for your pets.

It did seem odd to me at first that the wardrobe can have things come in and out..

Hehe ok I'd be down for more minions.. I just love them, theres so many great ones.. in fact I'd pay SP for more minion slots on each pet... ;)

Would you object to minions used in battles by their pets?

Too much like Neopets, so yes, I'd object

Keith is removing a lot of things because he felt like it was too close to neopets (Limited Edition pets, haggling in shops) so adding features that are on there is not the way to go.

You could battle with minions in neopets? (I was only there my entire childhood) woah I hated neopets battling so I guess its not a surprise I didnt know that. Bloody codestones gah.. Just costing SP is so much better you don't have to go searching each time you want to train.

Also hated Limited edition pets.. so go Keith! (I don't mind paying CSC for them though or infact SP if you want...10mil drop in SP for cool pet + potions for colours.. $$$)

Also hated neopets main shops in general.. it was like whats the point? I'm trying to beat computer programs to buy things... Man wheres the topic to complain about all the things subeta does better then neopets, though I do miss my Mynci why no monkeys Keith?

Oh man I go soooo off topic

Do you keep your clothes forever and ever and ever? The wardrobe should never turn in to a collection. I don't collect clothes, I wear them. Then I dispose of then when I get fat. -___- Same with minions. DON'T COLLECT ANIMALS. THAT'S BAD.

nah you're giving us some perspective here. Keep on talking, IMO.

Me I have like the sites sixth biggest shop it was fun building it and it's still fun to run. It's what I do here, and even if I hadn't hoarded a ton of stuff I'd still have a lot of sP to spend. The difference would be that instead of blowing off quests and just buying the Quest Points from other players I'd have to do them. All the currencies are things I buy with sP from other players and it spreads the wealth around, but it doesn't sink any.

Training is definitely an sP sink if you're pets are high level! Each session has a high cost but the number of trains you get drops as your pet goes up so the total number of sP you use up drops though. Maybe add an option to add an extra session for a lot of sP?

As for battling, it's been years since my oldest pets, but I'm raising some new pets that I adopted last October, and I see a smooth gradation of challengers so far, up to Tier 4.

meh, IMO the battle chat folks here on Subeta would probably be always contentious and unhappy lot no matter what. I'm not really a "battler}, I train up all my pets just because I've got the sP. My strongest one just hit the cap at rank 69 and I've had her battling for nearly eight years. To me, the system works and it's fun. It has changed a lot but so has Subeta in general so I roll with it. I probably could buy the plot prizes from battlers with sP but get a kick out of earning them myself.

Battlers are actually the nicest and easiest going users onsite xD! We have simple demands (typically it's one of two things we're adamantly up in arms about: the cap, or a gelly war) and are easily pleased, and typically help one another. No other "community" on subeta can boast that, I assume that's why people think we're evil and malicious (I think they've mistaken battlers for the CW market or the general pet people population, such pet name drama lol).

Anyways, just chiming in to say lol yeah training is a massive sP sink. I literally spend a bit under 2 million a day training 12 pets (one's being ATed to 200s, 11 train all day every day). I'd be training way over that if the cap wasn't where it's at, but that's a horse of another color.

I would in fact pay more per session overall if it meant my pets could get an extra session or two a day, too. Most definitely.