I really like these ideas for CW shops and it would definitely cut down on some (but not all) of the groups I'm a member of, there will still be issues with art shops/RP groups/Event groups/TS, Hustler and the like, but the CW shops would help a lot. The mock ups are beautiful btw. My issue with the shops though (unless I'm misunderstanding which is totally possible since its going on 5 am.) Is what is to stop these items from becoming like CS CWs unless they have a small batch number? I don't sell many CWs but I've made a few, my is unlimited batches but I don't often take slots for it and will never put it in the cash shop. So if something is marked unlimited and people can assign themselves a slot whats to stop an extremely large amount of them to be put on site to where they are no longer "special" like the ones that are in the CS seem to be?

Surprised the cw queen hasn't been pinged here yet . She might be able to give some input as well on how cw shops should work

-- Personally I like the idea of having an actual shop with a news feature and cw's you can claim that way. Where the owner of the shop can set the cost and stuff themselves, allowing people to subscribe to the news posts, new items, etc. That way there isn't damn ping spam the entire day. I left some cw ping groups because they were constantly pinged for everything related slightly and things not related at all to cw's. I still want cw's from those people, i just want their ping spam for every fart. Being able to subscribe to just the new cw's in a shop and not to their constant news posts or "still two slots open" hour later "still one slot open" posts would save so much frustration and i would probably buy more cw's.

Plus with an actual shop it would be easier to check if people actually follow the cw rules by not lying about the batches and not lying about the amount of recolours. This is the last recolour, * 2 months later* joking here are 10 more recolours, turning everything bought before absolutely worthless.

Joining the mockup club

As someone who's mainly just a buyer of CWs, I like all of the mockups and I'm excited about the idea of CW shops. ^-^ I don't think "Privates" should be included personally though; I avoid the CW forums to avoid getting privates rubbed in my face (lol sorry) and mainly just buy things when I get pinged to them via groups. I wouldn't want to see them included here; if people want things to be for friends only, they should arrange that via Smail/comments/forums. Shops should be for "the public".

Also if we're subscribing to the actual shop and we get pings whenever something new is added, it would really suck to be pinged to something that we're not actually allowed to claim slots on.

The CW market got so confusing and oversaturated, I honestly have no idea what items are available and what are not. I really prefer looking at the Cash Shop, instead of checking dozens of threads.

If some kind of CW shop interface could be implemented and CWs shops would look similar (but stay customizable to some extend), it would reaaaally help..

As for the pings, if then we could subscribe to the threads or shops we're interested in and get messages by the shop creators/ helpers, that would be cool.

Same with actual Art Shops. If people subscribe to my thread and only I could ping them as the thread creator, that would be good, too. I honestly can't imagine just pinging people who posted. Yeah, that would cover some past commissioners, but it would leave out all other possible customers who didn't post yet and are just waiting for the right opportunity. How would I be able to call out to these people? I don't want these people to post on my thread just so they can get pings. What a mess that would be!

I think the main idea of forum groups is really something I'd like to keep in some way or an other. If fe have to deal with a more complex way of signing up/ subscribing, so be it. But I honestly can't imagine some other way right now which isn't similar to forum groups.

owo i must think now!

I do really like the idea of a shop with subscriptions - it would make every shop more uniform and transparent, and would make life easier for buyers. I've had a lot of comments of new buyers telling me that every shop's different methods were intimidating, and that as such they had never tried claiming a slot before. I think having a (somewhat customizable) shop would greatly help here because buyers would only need to figure it out once, not all over again when they click on someone's different shop.

I'm not too sure how subscriptions would work - would there be different ones? I saw a screenshot that included stuff such sa 'cw news', 'new cw release' and 'filling batches of a remaining cw'. Would the user be able to subscribe to whichever categories he would like to have pings for? It does in a way remind me a lot of ping groups, except maybe more divided & more precise.

The ability to set our own price would obviously be a major plus. The only reason why I do not use the cash shop much at this moment, is the inability to control the cost, number of batches etc. Having more flexibility with our shops would probably make most artists happy.

To be quite honest, all I'm really hoping for, is a way for buyers to be able to view what is for sale, what they can purchase, how much it costs in a simple, straightforward way. If fixing ping groups for now is the solution, I do wish it would be fixed sooner. My personal ping group has not been working on my own thread for months now.

However the implementation of any new system would make me happy also (:

I'm not really sure how all of this would work for groups that aren't ping groups for CW shops or for things like the Token Shop. Like what about the on-site event ping groups? What about specific groups that cults or individuals use (ie: Borrowing & lending ping groups; Announcement groups; contests). I don't see how this would help with ping groups who are redirecting people to a NEW thread. [edit] To add on to that: What about # wearable or # suggest or other, similar ping groups where every time they post they are posting to a new thread? I'm not going to go subscribe to every FORUM. If I wanted to do that I would, idk, look in the forum

I think that it's like "wow, we have this really simple means of communication and attention getting. Let's mess with it and make it so now it's like a 5 step process". Fix what's broken, don't break it more.

I know exactly what you mean, I too have been wondering how elimination the entire ping group option would make life on the forums easier. There are a lot of ping groups that have nothing to do with the cws and some that are that are utilized by more than one specific person. Like the same of # customwear- that is used by every seller, not just one person or one group or one thread. Sometimes people use their personal ping group to ping friends to another thread- to help with advertising. Like # waa does that too. So I know what you mean, no one has explained if ping groups are going away completely, or if they just want to eliminate some of the clutter. I'm guessing cws is the main culprit in how many groups people have joined. I was just thinking about this earlier too, about to say it, cuz I thought I had already... lol. So I do hope ping groups will remain. I think they intended for them to stay, because they put 'cult features' into ping groups at the moment, but I don't know what exactly is going on with ping groups in general....

Keith explained a little bit more about why it was such an issue with the ping groups- the lag it causes because of how the code is written, but I agree, there ought to be a way to fix the code rather than eliminating a rather essential part of the forums and basic communication between different people across all forums and threads.

what are the ideas surrounding ping groups that ARENT CW shop groups? :( Or is it to just up the amount of groups one can join (which sounds fine)? Right now, you can only join more if you have a GA (at least from all my friends who have tried).

Oooh. So basically it's broken not because of the coding (well, yes and no I guess) but because of the lack of limits in the coding to control the feature? I get it now... lol. I can see what you mean, since people create groups probably every day.

I have been wondering, since some people mentioned it before- is there still a "Create five groups ever" limit on each account? Like, if I delete a group, I can't recreate it? Or is that simply something that is a glitch? I can't recall...

I hope the ideas are helping moving towards a good resolve and glad to hear ping groups won't completely be dissolved. C:

Why does it replace the CS feature, though? I understand it could replace the need for "timed" releases and those with only X items available (was the code for that ever fixed?), but I love how the CS is neat and organized for items that are supposed to remain there permanently.

Even if we can get some sort of instant "click and get" way to sell individual copies within our shops (I'm supposing it could happen after we've sold the first batch of 10), it's a lot easier to keep those things all in one place in an easily available/searchable way so people don't have to look into every possible shop to see everything that's open... plus there's the new "straight-to-cs" feature. I'm aware those are a minority of the items sold everyday, but I'm not really sure how they would be incorporated into potential shops.

If we're allowed to submit first batches with less than 10 copies, then yeah I expect a fee there. Otherwise, I hope we can at least submit further batches with less than 10 slots filled / let people grab them at pre-fixed "non standard" prices... which is basically something we've asked since forever :c Many things don't get sold because we don't have the funds to push batches through.

That makes sense. On one hand, people will be 'forced' to open a shop if they want to make their items permanently available somewhere, but on the other, if it's as easy as clicking a button and requires no human interaction, then it should be easy enough at least...

In that case, I'd love if we can still have "global" searching options (like search everything in every shop that is available and not labeled "restricted", search by available things in a given layer or search things by username/userid, possibly even by artist and not just the submitter)! Just so people can still easily find all permanent items in one page and all that c:

There could be a 'section' (a tab, considering the mockups done here) within the shop for permanently available items (opposed to the ones temporarily open "until they fill and then they're done"). Items moved to that area could be subject to the same restrictions the CS currently has, namely the fee and 1-month cooldown when you pull them. If it could be coded that way, that is.

Likewise, I guess we could have a "straight to (own) shop" method that includes paying different fees and potentially bigger cooldown periods - because I'm very, very against the "never again" rule in the case of widely available items. It's awful when people ask us about items we originally wanted to be out there for everyone and we can't have them up anymore.

[edit] To clarify, yeah I think limited-batch items shouldn't be subject to extra fees or people might just want to remain on the forums doing manual slotting x:

erm correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying we'd have to pay a 10% tax on top of the 5k we already have to pay when submitting every batch in these shops, even when the item is limited? If this is true....I just wouldn't use the shop.

A code, special page or the ability of setting preslots (that would go along with you seeing who claimed slots on your items and deny people with bad/no payment history, etc) could work fine, when the code wips get to that point c:

I think the issue with fees is that they go over the profit the artist/submitter makes. On the CS we have items that cost 600 csc, out of which 500 are Subeta's, 90 are the user's profits and 10 are, again, Subeta's, paid as a convenience fee. So, essentially, if it was possible to put a wig there for 800, with a 10% fee the user profit would be 300 - 10% = 270.

It makes sense to have this for unlimited items (Subeta holds them up forever without us going through the trouble of unretiring, opening claims/slots, etc)! When it comes to limited batch items, not so much. I mean, if the current system is entirely done away with and that becomes the only way of doing things, then there's no way out, but people will still complain for having their profits nerfed x:

Why, should any of us use this feature though? I mean from what it sounds like....people would make more csc in the forum shops we have now because we wouldn't be paying a double fee.

So, supposing I set that wig for 800 (because I charged 800 on the first batch, so I have to keep consistent!), I pay subeta a fee of 80 and keep 720 as profit? Subeta would be charging 800 per (further) batch of 10 things sold this way instead of the usual 5k, so I guess it's... not very good for business o.O

is that what you meant?

[edit] If the number was much higher than 10%, maybe it could work.