I love it now! Looks so smooth, comparing to the other, it looks CLEAN XD Let's see if this can pass now! :)

Kelzca has been doing a great job critiquing, but I just wanted to let you know that I think the updo is looking a lot better now :) I hope it gets approved!

Your custom clothing Whirly Milk Chocolate Bun was denied for the following reason(s): • ITEM: Thin or weak lineart • ITEM: Ambiguous shading/light source unclear • ITEM: Not enough area shaded (too much left flat and unshaded) • ITEM: Not enough layers of shading (Subeta artwork should have 3-5 layers of shading) • OVERLAY: Gradient or soft shaded instead of cel-shaded

Im going to cry :( Do you think I could redraw it entirely and show you? :(

I dont understand, because it's /not/ cell shaded. I drew every strand of hair and added some darker colours over. You could see it on the big version but apparently on the original 125x250px one, it seems to smudge and give that soft shading... OTL

[edit] I actually tried to fix it already :K Before > After

Yeah, that's the main thing about resize, it needs to be super big on the original size so it can be on a regular basis on the final size. It might help you to work with a small zoom option, so you can see a better preview of what will turn out. But after I saw some approved CWs, I think you just got bad luck, because I've seen hair being approved with the same 'faults' as they're pointing to you (and they came out this week). But anyways, even tough you defined the strands, you need to shade the hair as a whole. If you're working with layer blending, add a couple of layers with a multiply/linear burn option, something that will get darker, and shade the right piece of the hairdo regardless the strands :) Also, it might help you to work with less full defined strands, make them blend each other at some point. Here's a gruesome sketch, just so you can feel things: [IMG]http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/tallemuree/Subeta/Custom_Clothing/Rascunhos/cathii.png[/IMG] I feel it lacks contrast on this piece, because hard edge cell shade is all about that, making the gradient so stiff you can actually see the points where one color become another! :D I usually keep track of sketches, resizing it, and zoom out/zoom in like hell. For instance, you can barely see the two smile faces I added into the scrolls of this headpiece, even tough they're perfect clear on the natural size version. :>

About the item: both drawings are fine, but what they meant about light source or the first one is that you put a shade right after the glow, and they don't like that. If you're sticking with the new one, you could use one more shade layer over the bun, and expand the one you already got. Also, clear the black areas around the the brown roll parts, it'll both leave more space for you to shade and more contrast, as the black will be gone, and they won't complaint about lack of shading. It's a good trick to not make the whole line black, only the outside line and the starting of the details that come from the lineart, because black lineart make things look flat. I don't think the strands will be a problem as they are too think and small, but if you're willing, add more glow on a couple, just to make one pops out more, as long as it stays the same glow as the overlay.

(Sorry for any typos, I had to get up really early and my mind is not working now xD)

How's this? .__________________. Im starting to get real desperate :(

Also, that wig was denied because of the following reason: OVERLAY: Anatomy or perspective issues But im not sure what's not working as a perspective :( I /think/ it's the portion of hair under the chin that might look a bit odd? Otherwise I cant see what it's supposed to be. Thank you so much for all, all your help hun. I'd be lost without you x3

I like it! I don't know how they'll react, but I think it's working now :P The icon is better as well, but it's looking too plain, concept wise. If you add some texture it could look more interesting! You can add texture with painting, using blending layers do make the surface look grained or crackled, as bread usually is. It's jsut a concept suggestion, I think the technique is fine, better than the bonbon, as it has more shade.

Hum, they didn't specify what was the matter? I though they would pay more attention now. But anyways, you can either fill a ticket to ask what it's out, but I agree with you, it's probably the part under the chin, which is not a perspective issue in my view, but it does look weird xD You could make a gap between the hair and the chin, showing off a part of the neck, or re-design the strand so it can show neck also, OR cover part of the ear/cheek with the strand, so you would't need to show the neck.

And omg, you're doing fine! It just get confusing sometimes, but eventually you will learn what can and what cannot be done because of several reasons! I sincerely hope I'm helping too, all I have to offer is my experience regarding digital drawing/painting in general, which Subeta may not accept. Hopefully I'm not driving you into the wrong side xD

AAND OMFGASUHUAH SCARF goes change the outfit _

Ohhh, texture! Hadnt thought about it, I'll add some grainy surface (it is after all food, not plastic lol) You think the hair thing would be okay? Everytime, I think it's going to go through, and everytime it doesnt lol... I think it's the third time they've rejected that wig. OTL

For that braided wig, I can copy/paste all the denial reasons, though most of them applied to the item and not the overlay. Thing is, the last note did talk about the hair under the chin not working for the image (but I'm going to assume here that they meant both the image AND the overlay even if they didnt say so.)

I was thinking of thining out the hair under the chin, and add a strand over part of the ear like you said, to try to balance it.

I think in general though, that braided wig's shading is doing much better. They didnt comment on it during the denial process (only the item haha...) so I'll continue working with that kind of shading from now on. I'd redo the whole chocolate wig that way if I thought it'd be better, but I'm still hoping that this one could go through.

Yay new scarf! ;D I just love that one, it's so green and cute and not alike the other standard scarves! x3

I think it's ok! As I said, its a more soft cell shade, but you are wearing one hair that have the same technique, so it couldn't be a complaint! ò.ó

I think your idea for the braided hair will work! It's probably what they meant anyways :) I think the shading from this hair is also better, because you did light it up as whole, something you were lacking on the other wig, as you couldn't easily identify the lighting source! It was shaded, but it needed more contrast, and the braid wig has that contrast. They might deny again for shading this time, but I don't think they will, if it was shading it would be pointed out from the first try.

Yes yes, I feel in love with it one time I had to draw it, and it was so much fun I WL one, even tough I wear more necklaces!

I know there is something wrong but I cant figure out what D|

Hahaha, I love the color this! :) But I think the only thing it needs is bigger shaded area on the right part, up to the ear (and including the strand). They might implicate with some of the lineart, specially around the upper loose strand ad the right strand, since they are apart from the massive hair, it get really clear. Just thicken up a bit the outside part (njot the inside lines) and it should be fine. One thing I'm not loving is this black line coming from the strand of the forehead, feels like it's in the wrong place :P I think you could erase that and put another strand line coming from the last left strand, it'd make the hairdo more balanced (Also, I don't like too much details interfering on my HA's face hehe).

Darn, I always forget to shade the right part, it’s never dark enough xD I’ll have to fix that!

And oops about the stand from the forehead! I would have to test it on a clothed HA with eyes to see how it falls down. Honestly when I draw my wigs I just randomly gauge where to stop the bangs/front hair, I never really know. Good thing it usually always falls at the right place haha

Im not sure if there are too many strands in the top bun, it might look a bit messy? If you check the link in my siggy (y shop), the original version has muchwider strands, though at that point I think it did look odd also. Im redoing it because the staff would clearly never accept that version lol

Thanks again so much hun! X3

Can you believe I am /still/waiting for that chocolate whirl wig to be denied/accepted? I don’t even want to count the number of times they’ve denied it, when they’ve accepted some wigs with the same ‘faults’ as me OTL

/crosses fingers

Hahaha, well, it's nice to test with eyes and stuff, but there are all kinds of eyes so if sometimes it ends weird, don't worry about it. :D

True, the new version looks more like a cell shade! But I think both strand sizes look fine, as long as the look more shaded on the right and bright on the left, it's up to you.

And yes, I believe you! That's what makes this feature so frustrating, it feels like it has no common rules at all o_O

I know you must be so tired of hearing about me .______________________. I'd need your help another tiny time, if you dont mind! x3

Your custom clothing Brunette PeekABraid Wig was denied for the following reason(s): • OVERLAY: Anatomy or perspective issues • Thank you so much for fixing the lineart and the tangent with the jawline; that looks much better now! The last remaining problem is that the bangs look crooked when viewed on the base, causing the wig to look lopsided.

^ That doesnt sound like something hard to fix, however I dont understand what they mean by lopsided and crooked :/

On a brighter note, THE ANGELIC UPDO WAS ACCEPTED! :D Thanks so much for all your help and your patience at fixing the darn thing! ❤️

@ Cathii I'm never tired of hearing about you! ❤️ I think they mean that the bangs are not in a horizontal line, like regular bangs, thus giving the idea of a wig that has been put on but moved somehow, looking like it's about to fall. But that's something more about a concept, which they clearly did not get, so I should ask you: do you want the bangs to be cut in a diagonal line, or do you want them to be on a straight line? If you want it to be on a straight line that you should fix it, because it looks odd. If they're supposed to be cut like that, you should appeal. managed to keep her hat and goggles together, over her wig Just type down that the bags are supposed to look crooked, over the box they leave for tribute items. If they're supposed to look weird, re-draw it and re-submit :)

[edit] Oh yeaaah, told me! I'm so very glad it passed, but you'd figure out without me anyways! ^_^

Ohhhh because the bangs kind of go in a slight diagonal? Well, I guess i could fix the bangs to make them straighter :/ It's the third time they denied the item, I dont want the girl to try to and submit it yet another time with the explanation, only to have them deny it still, it'd just suck for her. I personally like it that way, ceoncept-wise, but eh, I dont want to start arguing lol

And awhh thanks hun ❤️ And no, I wouldnt have been able to get that angelic updo through without you, you saved me!

That's all about you and her. ^_^ If it doesn't matter much than you should fix, but if it does, than fight for it! xD Because there's a limit between technique and concept, and the current way CWs are being submitted and accepted doesn't leave space to explain and demonstrate ideas, and for an uniformed person, what is a concept product may become a technique fail.

Uhh wow, I missed this whole thread in my commission seclusion. o_o You're making great strides, though! Wowzerrrs, I need your skill with wigs, they all look so lovely.

Your custom clothing Delicate Coral Rose Locks was denied for the following reason(s): • OVERLAY: Sticker effect: flatness due to black lineart around the edges and colored or missing lineart inside • ITEM and OVERLAY: Gradient or soft shaded instead of cel-shaded

Grrrr why do I always end up with soft shaded stuff lol...

Im not sure how to fix the overlay though :/ How to make it cell shaded, because to me it looks cell shaded more than soft shaded.

I know I'm always asking for your help, sorry haha ._________________.

Maybe consolidating the shading to fewer individuals shades would help? My stuff tend to look more softshaded when I overwork it because I keep making more transition shades, but when you resize it the definition between them is lost XD

My internet connection broke and didn't send my comment, yay :D is right! While you DO use cell shade, it ends up looking soft shaded. I do think they're picking on you, because I've seen hair with the same technique being approved >< So you should try to make larger amount of colors, so when resizing the shades are really visible :)