Just timed my pet page loading for the hell of it, from clicking to fully loaded 30secs, from clicking to page appearing but not fully loaded, 20secs, 33/33 pets.

And my two cents on the fundraiser: Personally I'd say go for it, even if it's just a... money injection to help or cover the staff if the site goes down for a couple of weeks repair time. I don't use the CS anymore a) there is nothing there I want b) I feel like I'd be paying for entertainment I'm not getting but a fundraiser? Now that's different, that's willingly donating to a site that has openly admitted that in this time of revamps it needs a bit of support, that it's trying it's best but things are tangled up and confusing. I'd donate to a site I love and want to see do well (despite my complaining) but I'm not going to buy something I don't want to see apparently nothing good happening (which is what it looks like from my end).

Temporarily bringing back a day of down time for maintenance (like Flight Rising was doing at midnight or whatever it was, I don't know if that same method would be useful to Subeta but it might be worth entertaining if it is) is preferable to constantly slogging through.

General things like news bulletins. Attempt to fix ping group issue made, waiting on results. etc... A new NPC with crossed fingers...

Even if Subeta had to go down for longer, there could still be ways to 'entertain' the userbase and keep them checking in for updates, maybe if there are enough pets waiting in the wings do a pet-colour release every couple of days or something, to show people there is stuff waiting for them on their return, not just fixed stuff, but NEW SHINY STUFF TOO just waiting to be broken and fixed w

Or an explanation for the Edward... I would literally, no joke, donate to a Subeta fundraiser if that damn item was explained to me on completion.

That's almost a scary idea. Because if it's shutdown for the programmers to repair...who is to say no one will up and leave the project, thus permanently leaving the site shutdown?

I've invested a shit ton of money, time and effort into my battle pet over the last year, so to let it all go to waste because of Keith or staff keeping us in the dark would be a kick to the teeth. There is nothing to keep staff from leaving now. There is nothing stopping Keith from shutting the whole kit and kaboodle down because he's tired of it, furthermore. Remember that Agoge Inc does not have a spotless record with regards to keeping its subsidiaries from disappearing on very short notice.

The Subeta ship is taking on water. Patches are applied to the holes, water is bailed out, and we'll tell ourselves, "Oh, we're only in ankle-deep water now! It was knee-deep before. It's getting better!" And maybe it is, but it's still a leaky ship. There are only so many times you can patch a thing before it becomes more patch than original material.

i really am not, but i'm having a really hard time imagining the circumstances that would have me turning down tex-mex (or just regular mex), so count me in. if nothing else comes from all of this, at least we'll have our unofficial east texas meetup 👍

that damn battling though, that's my real anchor in this site. you can bet if they started a gelly war tomorrow, i'd cancel all my plans. i'll hit my rock bottom some day, but i dont think i'm ready yet. maybe that's easy for me to say, as far from the cap as i am, but we'll see how that bridge fares when i cross it.

i understand the desire to keep things moving forward regardless of the "hard hat area" condition of the site in general, but i just worry when it seems to be taking away from work done elsewhere. i'm only speaking for myself here, but i wouldn't have been too torn up if peka-boo were achievement free (as long as we were told upfront, hey here's what's going on, this is why this is happening, please sit tight) while, say, forums were brought up to code.

obviously no one wants this site to stagnate, but it's still important to consider a balance between "new content" and "finishing projects started"

as is said in these threads time and again, tell us what's going on and we will understand. and again, thank you for doing exactly that in this thread. just as an example, i and every other battler have been itching for a gelatin war since 2013's false start. the BAs told us straight up that it wouldn't be possible until the achievement system was fixed. i wasn't happy with it, but i understood it, and i've been waiting patiently ever since then.

i like to think subeta's a relatively mature audience (with a few admittedly glaring exceptions), we want to work with you guys, and obviously we've got some good degree of patience in our hearts. as has been said many times, the key to a healthy staff/user relationship is maintaining open communication with us. every time one of these threads pops up, comm is great for like a couple months, then it drops right back off into silence. we've gotta stop this cycle, otherwise we'll have another one of these threads in 5 months, tops.

Thank you for a more in-depth answer than originally (not that your originally statement/acknowledgement of this board wasn't appreciated, but it came off as a bit more "naw this isn't going to happen, it's complex and stuff"). It is also good to know that is currently in the on-boarding process, and getting accustomed with the site and it's coding.

That said if it isn't actually feasible to have chunks of coding outsourced to be re-programmed, I'm still personally behind (and getting the vibe that I'm not alone here, so if anyone's with me speak up yo) the prospect of the site exploring the prospect of a fundraiser to get things fixed.

Like just stated while the site isn't researching chapter 15, it's not exactly doing well enough to start hiring a programmer or two for permanent positions. A lot of users are also saying that they'd give money to the site but it feels wasted because nothing is ever fixed (yes yes, many of us know all about the wonderful world of bills and expenses but in regards to fun past times and hobbies if the site is given money to pay bills and never improves the desire to give it money decreases).

So what about a fundraiser specifically for getting things fixed. Start with a goal of $1,000 to get pings working. Everyone who donates at least a dollar gets their username mentioned in a video from Keith. Then up it to $2,500 to get pings fixed as well as forum groups, the pet leash alerts working, and all the achievement bugs ironed out. Everyone who donates $10 gets an achievement for donating in subeta's time of need, everyone who donates $20 gets to ask Keith a question (that isn't vulgar, rude, or R+ rated) that he has to answer via video.

Up it again to get the wardrobe fixed + figure out why the pet page lags. Add a few more tiers, donating $100 gets a pet slot (one per person?) and/or to request an item to be released onsite (within reason, restrictions apply)??

Are these things that need to be fixed anyways and eventually will be? Yes. But if the site needs money to keep going and people aren't interested in donating to the site until they do, two birds with one stone. The money raised should be used to cover the programmer's salary to do nothing but specifically get this thing fixed post haste.

Done deal. If it happens I will let you know and we'll figure it out! because yeah basically if there's tex and/or mex involved it basically takes loss of limb or un-changeable appointment for me to turn it down u

Maybe the cap will be raised by then and you'll never have to know the feeling of not being able to beat something, still, and being told it's because you don't have the right godlies. Or of just sitting there picking your nose while half the site catches up to you and then the playing field is 100% level and anything of any importance is achievement based (hello magma god) because well shit 50 people can already get it + 5 or so users have a team of mega pets so one per account, meaning anyone who isn't capped is SOL at ever getting anything they can't personally earn. Which'll only happen by borrowing gods. Because everything is one per account forever now r___r....

Count me in. Just what is so godammned funny about it or what does it represent? Edward Cullen's mutant vampire pussy that wants someone to eat it?

Damn, if a Gelly war begins on the first day of my fall semester, i s2g i will blow up boxes of Jell-o gelatin.

If I never find out, I will still be wondering on my death bed TTATT I wonder if it'll get revamped one day and suddenly make more sense. I mean what kind of thing even IS THAT!? King pea? Thing...

Can I just mention how community enforcing this kind of thing can be? Sure spending $10 in the CS helps the site, but you don't get the feeling of helping, or putting your hand into a group effort.

Oooh when I quoted I was taken to the bottom of the last page, not the first, ahhh I didn't know that had been fixed ;w; oh joyous day.

The only reason, tbh.

Okay who sneezed?

All jokes aside (I think that was my end anyway XD), I can understand there's no real way to put a price tag on it, I wish I could figure out just what it is I want from the site right now... other than a way to magically turn this stagnant csc into real cash cough... because honestly, if I could see something I wanted to buy with CSC, I would probably be doing it. All the things I've considered have been suggested, often more than once, either the opportunity hasn't arrived for staff, it's been poo-pooed or not executed in a way I'd have personally liked (e.g. the military garb from the Major that's all wrinkly? And cheap as chips anyway... Any modern military CS items though... I'd snap up so damn fast... And there is demand for more MIL stuff, not just clothing, but items too ;) weapons yes/yes wink wonk).

- Actually, I really don't think this thread is panic related at all. It's one of the most mature threads regarding our confidence and sentiment of Subeta's current state that I have ever seen. There are a lot of familiar faces on this thread, and everyone is sharing very similar opinions on things. We're frustrated and tired that so MANY features at once aren't working, and have been broken for way longer than is acceptable.

That's all understandable. It is. I didn't actually mean like the cost of the fundraiser would go to fund the fixing of something, but just that... if we hit this the only thing we'll focus on is getting this fixed (and the money would hopefully go to paying said people while it's getting fixed) y'know?

It could also be something more along the lines of a, what are they.. pledgedrives I think?

I mean I know staff would like things to be fixed as much as we do, since if subeta dies we're just out a hobby/whatever money we put into the site... staff are out of jobs, which is a far worse place to be. It's just a matter of frustration, on both ends don't get me wrong, that things just don't.. work. I fight this beast at work constantly (you'd think inputting information into a system then getting said information to generate automatically onto a piece of paper would be easy, but it's not). It's just frustraiting at this point, to see more and more (albiet wonderfully done) art and CS art coming out, but at the same time.. pings don't even work.

Omg wishlists do that. That's another thing that DRIVES ME INSANE OMFG. If you open a new tab via wishlists, the links/borders/text go all crazy. It drives me insane.

Ahem.

1. I want the cap revisited and murdered where it sleeps, or a viable option as to why it's being left alone. No one enjoys being on the same playing field as everyone else. Otherwise no one would train their pets and every single one onsite would have even 10s. No one enjoys being told to go buy 3b+ godlies.

I get the original concept, to get a more even playing field than just 2 super pets that's two times stronger than every other pet (fun fact, they still are!), but we've gto a growing number of capped pets and I think it's time for it to be upped or killed.

2. The pet page shouldn't lag at all. I've been told by a little birdy that the reason this might be is because it isn't an indexed page. Perhaps that should be looked into. If it's cached that'd explain why it lags when you haven't loaded it up in a while/cleared your cache, etc. None lagging pet page would also give me less of a heartattack when I'm moving names around on IDs. One page loaded faster than another one evening and it told me my pet name was already taken and I thought someone snatched one of my names and I could legit feel my heart in my throat. This is bad.

Or renaming pet's should just take you to your specific pet's options page (like creation takes you to a Congrats you've made whatshisface!, page) instead of having it reload your entire pet page in mass. I made a suggestion board for this once, and it was ignored B|.

3. Pings. I have a short attention span and I easily forget everything. I require pings for existing. I need them back. I also need forum groups back if they're not already (they might be).

Everything else I don't care about really as it doesn't directly effect me. If these things were squared away I'd have no remorse or guilt over giving subeta my money.

.. actually I lied 4. reflection hard mode needs more guesses. I need those books before I die.

This. I don't think we're panic'd. I think we're jaded and just so damn tired of hoping that maybe someday this site that we've spent years on will become functional. Sometimes I long for the old days, we didn't have some of the features and things we have now - but at least I could come on and spend hours and hours playing and doing things and chatting and loving it without getting upset/angry/annoyed/frustrated/sad.

Its like a long term relationship with someone when you live together and it starts going south. You know there probably something better out there, but you live together. You have history. And it is just so daunting to drop something you know, you've worked on, to start over.

We're not panic'd. We're just sad.

A lot of times the group pings don't go through. Sometimes I get them, but it seems like I rarely get them from the bigger groups (battle, token shop, CS hustler, a few of the CW groups). Individual pings work just find, but group pings don't work more often than they work.

I'm totally distracted by work on other tabs to try to list more things, but one of the glaring issues we were/are having with pings, besides not being able to ping on the OP, was the ability to edit pings in. It happened especially with large groups, we'd try to edit it in, we'd press the save button, and the edit wouldn't "go through". The ping would, but then if people multiclicked, there goes 9827348929 pings ._.

Also some groups wouldn't ping on the original posts even if said original posts weren't the first of a topic. Then people would try the edit, nothing would happen upon clicking save, they mass clicked, etc. Happens/happened a lot with artsale and buysellcw. You have to edit the ping in and -believe- it went through, then refresh the tab / close it off.

I've posted that I was going to talk with Grace about getting some more guesses in for the hard level. Not to make it too easy, of course, but to give you guys a more realistic chance. :X