April 24, 2008 2:52 pm

Cash Shop Poll

We are considering changing the system that operates the Cash Shop. This means implementing a 'point' based system. Point Based System The point based system would operate on $1 USD = 100 Cash Shop Points. This means that instead of purchasing the items directly, you'd purchase 'points', and then go to the cash shop and purchase items with your points. This adds another step - but there are a few reasons I think that you will like it better ;) Pros - You can save up points. If you're only able to spend $5 a month on Subeta, but want something that has a price tag of $30, you can save up your monthly points until you have 3,000 points. - More selection. We can add items for 100 points, or even as low as 50 points. We could add a set of clothing that would otherwise not be able to be added; for 100 points each, and you'd be able to get them. Cons - Another step. You have to buy the points and THEN buy the item that you'd like. - We have to set a minimum point limit. Click here to vote in the poll, or here to read the forum post relating to this ;) (more information!)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I support this idea. 83

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like this idea, wearables and other stuff for 50 points sounds great =)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like the concept Maybe there should be a trial period, to see if people actually like using it, or so people can see how it works perfectly themselves.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like the idea and voted for yes.
It's a good thing that people how can't spend the money at once can save up untill they have the points.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I actually enjoy the current system quite a bit myself. But I can see where this would be good.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

this is a really good idea but I just hope that the items don't get more expensive through it. in real life this changes would bring a price change with it as well so I hope it's not going to happen =)
then I'm going to vote yes

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I am looking forward to seeing more items in the cash shop so i can contribute more to subeta! i don't care to have the gold account and some of the stuff in the cash shop i don't want so this will be great i vote yes

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i would vote no.
reason's
the site is very laggy,or down as it is.will this help ? i doubt it,just more stuff for the server's to be running.
if you jusy bought say 2000 points for cash shop use,and theres a glitch,or a roll back,(i lost over 1000 Recycle beast points,during a rollback,and nothng was done,was told theres nothing we can do sorry)so if that happens with cash shop points,would you be out the money?or have to prove you didn't buy stuff before the glitch or crash or rollback?
in pros it talks about saving up points?
what if your account gets hacked? or you get frozen? bye bye points.i feel if people want to save,they could do that anyways,or if there younger,get an advance or have your parents hold the money for you .
also if the site needs more profit/money for whatever reason,just put more or different items in the c/s,i my self would love to be able to get old dp's,like from before i was a member. just a thought.
if it does change i probably wouldn't trust the new system to hold my points,at all .

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Guysssss.

Oh my word.
What's there to debate? It's exactly how it is now, but instead of buying the items directly with cash, you use the cash to buy points to buy the item.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hey,
that's pretty good.
The cons I can tolerate.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Diverna ... there's no need to be gruff about it ... besides, I don't have a clue what habbo is.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I voted yes, as it would be a great help in me being able to save for mystical plushies!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

... Ha. THIS looks familiar.

Anyways, the system is VERY convenient on Ataria. It reduces the need of having to go back and forth constantly to get donation items.

I like the idea. (:

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I do NOT like this idea at all. The Cash Shop is perfect the way it is. Even the comparison you gave us, about a $30 dollar item being worth 3,000 points. $1 dollar buys you a 100 points right? So you have to spend $30 dollars to get that 3,000 points to buy the $30 dollar item. What is the difference? I left Neo for things like this. The Cash Shop is one of my favorite parts of Subeta, it is a great idea the way it is. Please do not change it!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Allowing the purchase of pure sP with cash is just asking for even -worse- economical trouble, IMHO. If people can just buy sP, they'll do so to afford more expensive items instead of earning it, then that sP will circulate, people will charge higher prices because sP will be worth less, etcetcetc.

I don't think we'd ever do that. Or I'd punch Keith. :X (But I'm sure he agrees with me. 8D )

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Here's a question ... why can't we purchase sP with this donated money ... instead of giving use donation credits ... or as an additional option? If I ever do donate again, it would be for the purpose of making sP any how.

That's a really bad idea. It will no longer be Subeta if that's going to happened. Then it will be some site like habbo (if you know that)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't like or dislike this idea, but... Just don't make to many cash shop items, don't make it as the NC mall.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I really like this idea, hope it happens in some form if not the stated one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

YES!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

coughphanpointscough
Where'd that coughing come from, I need a drink of water...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Meh, I've always been so happy you can just buy what you want in the cash shop and then get out. Been happy that it's not a point system like the recycle beast or so. Ugh.

I just hope the prices will stay the same, I think they're good as they are and some things are ridicolously expensive. :/ So, please don't raise the price of the DPs and the costume trunk?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like this idea. I'm a spender, and if I have spare money, it's gone. If there's nothing of interest in the cash shop when I do have the money, then it doesn't go to Subeta, but a different site/store. However, if I was allowed to accumulate points, I could spend, get it out of my system, and wait for the perfect time to use the points. =)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Clarification: What I meant with the board thing is that you can tell people how much points you're willing to part with and then they can tell you what items they want.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love this idea, and voted accordingly. This makes it easier for users to get the more expensive items (like Mystical plushies) which is great.

I don't like the suggestions about buying/giving points to other users. Better to just buy an item and give them that. If you have extra points just make an advertising board telling people how much points you're willing to sell, at what rate etc.

Well, that's my 2 cents anyway ^^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Perhaps you should fix the long list of old problems before adding new systems like this.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Also agreed on the minimum. I would use $2.50, since some people really will want to just buy one DP at a time, and will not have much extra cash to put in. $5 max, but $2.50 ideally.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love the idea. The only cash shop I have used a LOT that sounds similar is Maplestory's, but I have to say... I LOVE their cash shop process. It is much cleaner on the bank statement, too. Seeing all those Paypal transactions is so cluttery. I would really like to spend a certain amount of $$ on x number of points, then dole out the points throughout the month. It's very tedious, especially on dial-up, to buy multiple types of things right now. This would also ease that process.

I am 100% behind it. Please! Change!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Cash Shop Format
Question: We are considering changing the cash shop format. Please read both options below, and consider the pros and cons of both. Click here for a forum post on the matter.

then you click on the link and you get You aren't allowed here! ?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think this sounds like a wonderful idea. It works well, and helps break down some of those intimidating amounts. I'd recommend keeping the minimum requirement small. No more than $5 tops, but probably more like $2.50, like the basic monthly items cost.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I LOVE this idea. It is what i was hoping for, I actually thought about this last night while I couldn't sleep, and when I came on subeta I flipped out. Hope y'all go through with it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Great Idea for those of us who can't spend too much money at a time.
I love this idea, as much as it does seem to work like the NC mall, its a lot different.
For one, you can sell the items for SP.
Secondly, Its great for people like me who have little money in their paypal at a time and end up using the money saved for something else.
Points would be a great way to do this, although being able to give points to other users would be a great idea too.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like the idea, but I am sure there is a more efficient way of handling the cash shop.
I did like the 'adding items to basket' idea that was mentioned earlier; it would make things a lot easier. You could incorporate that into the points system.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I vote no until the site is stable. Paypal logs or not, if I still donated I wouldn't currently trust this system.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like this idea, but I see it as making more expensive items just so people will buy the points.....

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hmm. I Do like the idea of cash points.
Though i would also like the old one with it
Sort of combined.
Cash points and direct pay
Just my thought

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It sounds good, I guess. Other sites use it, so I say give it a try. If it turns out that there are too many problems with it, then the Cash Shop should go back to the way it was.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I can make assumptions on what I think it will be like but I would rather hear a few more specifics from the one who will be implementing the changes before I vote.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">2) How will saved points be accessed ? Will the cash shop have a list or some other data saved to list what users have in point values ?
3) Can points be sold/given to other users ?
4) Will items ever 'expire' ?
5) You spoke of a specific clothing set from the lower end points value, can this, or any other items be given/sold with the new system ?

These can all be answered on your own. It would be just like NC mall setup wise. You pay $5 and get 500 points. You wouldn't be able to sell/give the points but the items could be. The items wouldn't expire. They never have. Only thing that would change is you are buying points instead of buying the items. Keith already said that in the News post.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Forum post not going through .. sooo ...

This reeks of the NC Mall debacle. While that is one of my reasons for choosing to vote against it, that is not the only one. A few good points have already been brought up (No pun intended.)

What about a rollback/glitch/hardware failure and there is a reset with people losing potentially saved points ?
How will saved points be accessed ? Will the cash shop have a list or some other data saved to list what users have in point values ?
Can points be sold/given to other users ?
Will items ever 'expire' ?
You spoke of a specific clothing set from the lower end points value, can this, or any other items be given/sold with the new system ?

Some of the pros you speak of work onsite and really are not 'pros' per se. The main one I see is that users with a budget for online spending would be able to save up the IRL cash to buy the cash shop item in the point system. They can also use sP to get the item from other users as well, it can require saving in the same sense, so it's not 'really' a pro, especially with sP and a little dedication being moderately easy to obtain.

If you do choose to go this new route, that is entirely your decision to take, Keith, it will not have any effect on my future spending decisions for Subeta. I mostly want to make you aware of some of the potential issues that may arise.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Its a popular and efficient system. Thats why a lot of places use it. I like this idea, because it's hard to shell out $30 at one time. This way you can let it build

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think you missed the point. It's not about being able to budget mentally. It's about Sub Allowing the ability. I personally cannot afford to run out and spend $30+ on a pixel in one shot. I don't get paid enough for that. The point system will allow users to fund the site more Over time and still get something nice. With all the nice items flooding into the CS, it's pretty hard to generate funding for it all whether it be real life money or sP.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think it's a decent idea, except the concept that once you spend say, "2020" points, then you'll always have those "20" points left over, hanging around, not able to do anything with them. Aside from that, it seems that we wouldn't save any money in the long run, only expend more.

Too iffy for me.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I applaud the idea that a site is constantly trying new things to make the site better for users. Some ideas work others don't but at least the effort is being made.
This seems like a good idea.
Honestly the main gripe Ive had with the Cash Shop is with DP's - that they are run like a lottery and you don't know what you're getting (and often get the same thing over and over again). This has been fixed with the costume trunks now - you can choose the trunk you want - and that's wonderful. If there was a way to do something similiar with DP's I'd be very happy.
Maybe this way - more items can be sold individually - I'd love a HA section of the Cash Shop where you could buy simple wearables for just a few points each.
Another idea might be to sell "gift cards" in the cash shop - you could buy it and then sell or give it someone who could then go shopping in the cash shop for whatever assortment of items they wanted (good for people without access to paypal).

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like the idea of buying points rather than items. A lot of other sites use this system and it seems to work pretty well. Will there be some way to store points as well? Like a points vault? Just a random idea.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love this Idea

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

But you're still going to buy points worth the same amount of real money. It's not hard keeping a budget on your cred card/bank account. It just takes will power, something no one here has apparently. :/

Hmm... Perhaps what we need here is a middle ground. Have the points option there but still allow people to buy the cash shop items directly. (And employ that basket/cart idea while you're at it.) XD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Noir, It isn't meant to save you anything. It's for those that like the idea of setting themselves an allowance or have bills to pay. I like the idea of being able to buy maybe 500points a month or something to put towards a MMP/MDP. It's a lot better to basically make a Lay-away on an item you want if you can't afford $60/$100(or less/more) at once or just can't save the millions.

Also, if they do make Point Packages, it could save you money.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This is exactly how Gaiaonline operates.. and I love the system..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Don't forget "Gaia Cash."

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