April 24, 2008 2:52 pm

Cash Shop Poll

We are considering changing the system that operates the Cash Shop. This means implementing a 'point' based system. Point Based System The point based system would operate on $1 USD = 100 Cash Shop Points. This means that instead of purchasing the items directly, you'd purchase 'points', and then go to the cash shop and purchase items with your points. This adds another step - but there are a few reasons I think that you will like it better ;) Pros - You can save up points. If you're only able to spend $5 a month on Subeta, but want something that has a price tag of $30, you can save up your monthly points until you have 3,000 points. - More selection. We can add items for 100 points, or even as low as 50 points. We could add a set of clothing that would otherwise not be able to be added; for 100 points each, and you'd be able to get them. Cons - Another step. You have to buy the points and THEN buy the item that you'd like. - We have to set a minimum point limit. Click here to vote in the poll, or here to read the forum post relating to this ;) (more information!)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

isn't a very advertisement-ridden yellow layouted site doing the same thing?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Frankly, I hate this idea. It makes it more complicated and it won't save us a dime. :/

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Why can't the Cash Shop be tweaked to add a basket putting all items into a single purchase, which would accomplish the same thing?

THANK YOU! Now why didn't anyone on the subeta team think of this.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Say, you want to buy 2 dp's, a shuriken, and a costume trunk. Right now you'll have to go through pay pal 3 times!

Why can't the Cash Shop be tweaked to add a basket putting all items into a single purchase, which would accomplish the same thing?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

If you don't like it, don't use it. They've always been able to return things that were lost. Even lost sP during a glitch. And so what if you have to do certain actions over again to get the same result? It doesn't really matter after all!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Question-Will you only be allowed to pay using PayPal?

If so, that's a huge turnoff.
I think being able to save up for some of the more expensive things would be nice, but if you have the money and want the item right away it wouldn't be good.
I don't know. I voted to leave it alone.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Harpie, I should have added another post. It doesn't have to be a rollback. A simple glitch could remove those points just like the Recycling points. I still do not see how Paypal can help inform staff of who has points left over and who doesn't. As long as there is some form of backup or a program keeping track then I'm all for it. I know the system works fine on other sites but the other sites are a bit more stable than Sub. No offense.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Everyone should get some points to start off an celebrate!!!! LOL er.. um.. just a suggestion ( w)/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Uh ok do not really care cause i will not waste my money on things... i rather save subeta money

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Keith~ Even though you have the paypal logs... Say I bought 2000 points and spend 500 points. I save the 1500 for a few months. Then a roll back happens. What would happen? Would you be aware that I hadn't spent 1500? Or would you assume I had and I'd be SOL?

I don't see how paypal would be useful after the transaction.

When was the last time you saw them roll back MONTHS? It's usually a few hours/1 day. Your points would still be the same. And if you made the purchase within that amount of rollback time, you would either have the PP logs to back you up, or it would be like you never purchased said item and your points would STILL be there.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

thats good that people bought,and lost or got robbed/glitched rollbacked,or whatever would be able to get the points back.really a shame the quest's aren't the same .i've lost 2 times on chase one at lvl 71 and the other on lvl 41 the site crashed right after i clicked the button for a new quest. just a thought

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Keith~ Even though you have the paypal logs... Say I bought 2000 points and spend 500 points. I save the 1500 for a few months. Then a roll back happens. What would happen? Would you be aware that I hadn't spent 1500? Or would you assume I had and I'd be SOL?

I don't see how paypal would be useful after the transaction.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

btw im not really gonna be looking at these posts so if you wanna reply you should like post me a commment or mail me

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

CharliesNOTDead

i noticed your post "I don't know... I have been on Neo, which has point thingys and if you ask me, that system stinks. I suppose it would be okay... I like it the way it is now though." i just gotta tell you if you are still playing neopets do not buy anything from their cashshop cause its like 25 bucks for a single item and besides viacom is the devil

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love buying from the Cash Shop when i have some extra money.. so i love this idea. Seems like it will give us more choices. I know some people cannot buy from the Cash Shop for various reasons so it would be cool if they had an option to buy the points with SP also?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

We have the same paypal logs now that we would with this. We are able to give out cash shop items based on paypal logs right now, and would be able to in the event of a rollback, hacking, etc, we can give it back

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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I actually like this idea, mainly because of the possibilities and extras that would be added to the cash shop. I don't generally have a lot to spend on CS items per month, but I got carried away with the MCT's. XD

It is similar to a certain other site's system, but the point is that the system works and works well, in general. I for one am looking forward to what will be added to the cash shop if this is implemented, as well as how it'll be worked out.

i believe they could add items ,now if they wanted.i my self like the idea of more items in there,maybe better outfits?or a second chance at buying older dp's from like a year or 2 ago? of course for some what higher then the current dp's cost..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I really like this idea, mainly because I'd be able to save up points for the things I want. Anything that can motivate me to save for something is WIN.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> if you jusy bought say 2000 points for cash shop use,and theres a glitch,or a roll back,(i lost over 1000 Recycle beast points,during a rollback,and nothng was done,was told theres nothing we can do sorry)so if that happens with cash shop points,would you be out the money?or have to prove you didn't buy stuff before the glitch or crash or rollback?

THAT is an excellent point/question. I would actually like to know that as well.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I actually like this idea, mainly because of the possibilities and extras that would be added to the cash shop. I don't generally have a lot to spend on CS items per month, but I got carried away with the MCT's. XD

It is similar to a certain other site's system, but the point is that the system works and works well, in general. I for one am looking forward to what will be added to the cash shop if this is implemented, as well as how it'll be worked out.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">The forum topic isn't working for me and I still don't know if we can resell items bought with points. The reasoning behind Neo not allowing Neocash items to be sold is to stop people from being able to inflate the game economy with outside factors. I'm still wondering if we can sell cash shop items in our shops for sP with the change over to a point system.

You sell cash shop items that you purchase with real $ now. O.o It's no different. Instead of buying the item directly, you buy the points to buy the item. After that, you can sell it, use it, delete it, give it away...whatever you want. This isn't the NC Mall guys...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Posted by CainLust

This is really simmilar to other games. :U

very true,it was this kinda thing just going and buying from the shop ,that made subeta different

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This is really simmilar to other games. :U

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love the idea... because I'm bad at budgeting and always spent too much

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i would vote no.
reason's
the site is very laggy,or down as it is.will this help ? i doubt it,just more stuff for the server's to be running.
if you jusy bought say 2000 points for cash shop use,and theres a glitch,or a roll back,(i lost over 1000 Recycle beast points,during a rollback,and nothng was done,was told theres nothing we can do sorry)so if that happens with cash shop points,would you be out the money?or have to prove you didn't buy stuff before the glitch or crash or rollback?
in pros it talks about saving up points?
what if your account gets hacked? or you get frozen? bye bye points.i feel if people want to save,they could do that anyways,or if there younger,get an advance or have your parents hold the money for you .
i do agree with the more item's /clothing in the cash shop,but in fact couldn't you do that now?
minimum point limit = probably 5 = 10 real dollars a month correct?
plus with the way the site is down /crashes/glitches,i would be worried about my points,so if i did buy ,i would get my items same time,like i d now if i buy..
if all this is about makng more profit for the site,ie better server's,bigger bandwith,a new pc ,whatever ,or just to pay bill's,i would go more for new items in the c/s for your ha,cooler outfits.
but you must also know ,if the site is running strong,and up all the time,no problems,more people will join.well i voted no,but will likely lose,lol either way i voiced my opinion. and keith thanks for the coolest pet site up.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Cool, even though I doubt I'll be using the CS for a few years. XD I like the idea - especially about the possible low-point items to spend leftovers on!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I dislike the fact that one will not be able to buy anything for $2.50 with the new system. The $5.00 minimum puts me off because it's almost like saying that one HAS to buy at minimum 2 Donation Presents, assuming they stay the same price. And if the Donation Presents went up to $5.00 each, that puts me off even more...

However, you are misreading it! He said there'd be items of varying value, including items that are 50 points. Your 5,000 cash points ($5) would be able to be spread over several items. Also, it would be easier to purchase multiple items without having to donate for each and every single items that isn't a multiple of its kind. Say, you want to buy 2 dp's, a shuriken, and a costume trunk. Right now you'll have to go through pay pal 3 times! With the new system you will be able to go through pay pal once. I tell you now, as one who's used it in the past ... it gets tedious when you want several items from the cash shop. (Not that I use it any more, but if I ever did, I'd want to be able to use a simpler system). Points aren't a bad idea. In fact, they are becoming a staple of any site like this - Gaia, Maple Story, Neo are a few to be named. Its the natural course of things, and it is less complicated for the staff.

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">JIMMYkUser "WAH! My ___, ___, and ___ are not in my inventory! I want them noooooow!!1111one"

Admin101 "Ok, I'll need the transaction numbers and your email and blah blah blah for each and every single one of them."

(3 hours later, because the poor admin is swamped with sm like this and other related tasks)

JIMMYkUser "YAY! Finally! Oh, I forgot about ____. Could you add it Nao?"

Admin101 (FacePalm)

See what I mean? It's a time saver for everybody

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like this idea. I have seen it used on one other site...used it, and liked it. It is not as complicated as everyone is making it out to be...really.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The forum topic isn't working for me and I still don't know if we can resell items bought with points. The reasoning behind Neo not allowing Neocash items to be sold is to stop people from being able to inflate the game economy with outside factors. I'm still wondering if we can sell cash shop items in our shops for sP with the change over to a point system.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This reminds me SO MUCH of MapleStory.

It doesnt affect me directly, I'm not from the USA. So I wont vote. :3 I'll be watching carefully.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't know... I have been on Neo, which has point thingys and if you ask me, that system stinks. I suppose it would be okay... I like it the way it is now though...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

uhm... ok, after Orchipea's explaination I see why the limit should be 5$

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like the idea a lot
especially the idea of saving up... here I go mystical plushies xD

the only thing I think is strange is the minimum of 5$ ...not that I would care to much, but as the minimum now is the DP with 2.50$ I just think it would be nice to let it stay that way^^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Looks like Page 3 of the thread died, so someone might want to fix that? And I'll propose my idea here that I just posted on the thread, just not as eloquently:

Someone else had mentioned point packages, and I definitely think that this could be a great idea to be added to the system. Subeta could offer "value packages" that would give us a few extra points, thereby motivating us to spend higher amounts of money at one time. For example, you could offer 1050 points for $10, or 2100 points for $20.

The higher the amount we spend, the more money Subeta actually gets due to the paypal fees. It was explained very well on the thread:
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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">The problem with a $1 minimum is that, if you send $1 via Paypal, Subeta only gets $0.68. If you send $2.50 they get $2.13. Etc, etc. The more money you send at once, the smaller the percentage goes to Paypal fees.

For them to get $1, you'd have to send $1.33. I suppose they could set up the point system so that you can buy very small amounts of points but have to overpay to do so: for $1.30 you get 100 points, for $2.65 you get 250 points, and so on until some minimum (say $5) at which it settles on the $1=100 points ratio.

So basically, the idea is to give a little motivation for people to shell out a little more at one time

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I don't see how $1 USD = 100 Cash Shop Points seeing how current dp's are selling for 1.8-2 M each. Using this math that would make 1 DP equal to what $200,000 USD?

I don't quite understand what you're getting at here? Cash Shop points will be completely seperate from your sP, and they will not be interchangable.

You'll be able to purchase cash shop items with Cash Shop Points, not sP. Therefore I'm not sure how you're getting the $200,000 price tag on a DP..?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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"You can always just add items that cost $1 to the Cash Shop. Also, that way people wouldn't be left with unused points should they decide they don't want to use any more. Really, all the Cash Shop needs is a few touchups (such as being able to purchase multiple items at once or a mail-in order system), not a point system like this."

And paypal gets half of that $1.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Your missing my point, it's not about if they are different. It's about the resellers out there. If people are smart they will spend their $$ to subeta instead of buying from resellers.
Who would pay what equals $200,000 for something that cost someone else $2.50?

Please remember is that if you are frozen all those tucked away dollars in subeta cash points will be gone, wasted money because there is a no refund policy on the site.

Just things to think about.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hmmm...my post wouldn't go through in the Forums.

I guess I don't get the whole points system...can't people just as easily save up $5.00 a month at home and then buy something?

As another User noted, this won't help those that aren't allowed to use Paypal at all, which seem to be quite a few Users.

I dislike the fact that one will not be able to buy anything for $2.50 with the new system. The $5.00 minimum puts me off because it's almost like saying that one HAS to buy at minimum 2 Donation Presents, assuming they stay the same price. And if the Donation Presents went up to $5.00 each, that puts me off even more...

What about Users who save points for months, but then lose interest or have their accounts frozen? Would the points then be refundable? If not, it's win/win for Subeta and the customer loses it would seem.

I'm torn. The only thing I would like about this system is having one Paypal transaction for several items.

"You can always just add items that cost $1 to the Cash Shop. Also, that way people wouldn't be left with unused points should they decide they don't want to use any more. Really, all the Cash Shop needs is a few touchups (such as being able to purchase multiple items at once or a mail-in order system), not a point system like this."

I agree with Squirt (from the Forum Post). Tweaking the Cash Shop would be enough IMO.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

If we buy cash shop items with points could we then still sell them in our shop for sp or is this a way to keep the cash shop strictly for funding the site and not for users to buy cash shop items and resell them? On Neo you can not sell or trade NeoCash things so will this follow that pattern?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

though it wouldnt affect me as im not allowed to spend any money, its a good idea

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like the idea. It makes sense.

(thinking out loud: is it just me, or is subeta turning into gaia with pets?)
It would be cool if you could buy these points on a card at walmart or something, like you can at neopets or gaia. But I guess subeta isn't really a big enough organization to do that (yet?).

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Obviously the highest limit would cover the most expensive item, yes? There would be added security (pin systems, or email notifications, or /something/!), yes?

It sounds like something that could definitely be tested out. As someone who tends to spend extra money whenever possible (I know, I'm horrible) it would be nice to be able to tuck a couple of dollars away for high-priced items I would never be able to afford otherwise.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

diana1096

Cash points and subeta points are separate.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The CS point vouchers are a great idea, I would love to send my friends a few CS points for their birthdays

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't see how $1 USD = 100 Cash Shop Points seeing how current dp's are selling for 1.8-2 M each. Using this math that would make 1 DP equal to what $200,000 USD?
Can someone explain that math to me? :/
I also do not like the minimum. I want to buy what I want, when I want.
Unless that math changes, I'm voting against it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I can totally agree with the pros on this one, but I am worried about this minimum points thing... For example, if I have 250 points, and buy something for 240 points, could I lose those 10 points? I think I'm going to head over to the thread and see if that is explained better

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Selling points for sp would be cool....

Then people could buy any item they wanted by saving up points with Sp.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love the idea. Its the fact that if you want an item for $30.00 and your budget won't allow it all at once, you can put $5.00 at a time and its not like you will miss it compared to $30.00 in 1 shot. Makes it easier for those with bills to budget.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i don't really know which is better

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think this is pretty stupid. Because when i need some extra sp, i use real money to buy it. but now, if theres a lot of points one person has, they can buy it. and a lot of people will probably have points. so most of the items in the cash shop migh tnow be worth as much as they are now :/ i hope they dont do this.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Sounds like it might be worth a try if the items still cost the same amount. But it would also be nice if we could send points to friends, like the SP vouchers, so it would be like sending them a gift certificate to the cash shop.

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