Why are so many people going off about the whiskers like its the problem. Its not. Its the fact that the revamp is just a totally different pet! Usually revamps keep to the original design with better shading and a neater overall presentation /of the same creature/ The fact that not only were the whiskers /removed/ wings were /added/ simple details like the fact the nose is rounded instead of keeping to its more boxy shape (which looked good), the eyes were changed and even its overall anatomy seems different. Which is why people are saying they destroyed the additude of the dragon and why so many people are unhappy.
scy64 yes the three new colors are nuclear, dark matter and marsh..I have a dragon gallery also lol. IMO..even if they added stitches to these, people STILL wouldnt be pleased
I personally love this new revamp. The original version of these plushies were nice, but these seem to have a bit more of a personality to them. Then again, I have a dragon gallery so I was very pleased when many of my old plushie turned into this new version!
I'm a bit confused though- the post mentions that there was a revamp and then three new Dragon Plushies available? I know Nuclear is new, and I'm sure that the DM version is new, but I know BR has been out for a while. Is the third new one they're talking about the Marsh version? I looked it up (it exists), but I never had it in my gallery.
Explain but not justify. You can explain and we'll listen to why (DNA?) didn't add stitches but they still don't look like plushies.
they look like minions..
The new 'dragon plushies' look more like minions than plushies. They just are not plushie shaped.
There are posts in the Bragging and Complaining Forum, Revamps sticky that explain the current lack of stitches on the plushies.
I agree with Tacettaur, they don't seem very plushie-ish.
The new plushies are cute, but all look a bit chibi-ish? (young or babyish?)
btw I was a previous dragon owner... I gave up my chibi dragon because I definitely did not like the revamp of the chibi dragon - the new owner made it a field dragon which I absolutely love! I am a big fan of the dragon revamp - in my honest opinion the wings and the pose are fantastic! 
I thought plushies had stitches by default? These are not plush toys. You can't tell they're not minions.
I think 'everyone' is far from the truth..it seems more like a few people making a lot of noise, the ones that make the most noise are the ones upset. The only thing I'd want to see changed on all the pets is to have the artists do a little lipo, most pets look obese rather then a healthy weight let alone 'thin'. XP
This just disappoints me in the end. No compromise was reached and the users who were looking forward to the re-revamp are pushed aside like nothing happened. And I find it funny how long this issue on this revamp has been dragging on while other pet revamps weren't even a 1/4 like this.
Agreed. NO ONE is even paying attention to the fact almost EVERYONE wants a re-revamp done on it. We have enough dragons with wings, let alone pets with wings.
I love them, but I'd love them more if the darkmatter dragon was updated too from the old not near as pretty image to a new awesome one. ^^;
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Aww it's they're so cute!
Oh my god, I love them! Man, they've really jumped up in price too. I'll have to wait for them to come down before I get the rest for my gallery. D=
Also, I love the dragon's new look, much more than the old one. The new design is the whole reason I have two dragons now, and maybe a third soon.
So I'll be selling my dragon plushies now...
( It's not just the freaking whiskers, it's the whole look! Whoever re-drew the dragon didn't get what the old dragon was about, they just gave us a new pet. Now the uber adorable plushies have been redone and the suck. Boooo.
The plushies don't look like plushies. They look more like minions. They're cute, but not plushies.
Sells off her collection I already pounded my actual dragon. It's been ruined from the transition from Chinese to European. Least the plushies were ok from the old dragon! .......and this is further ruins it.
So cool!
This just disappoints me in the end. No compromise was reached and the users who were looking forward to the re-revamp are pushed aside like nothing happened. And I find it funny how long this issue on this revamp has been dragging on while other pet revamps weren't even a 1/4 like this.
Not starting anything.... but I think some of the colors would look better in old style and some look better in the new style.
Thank you Varicolored. .... Ok now that I see the old ones yes I can see how some people might be upset with the new ones..
I do, Looney.
These are cute plushies. 
Thanks to the artist that drew them.
I also am expression a bit of a concern. This does mean that the dragon redraw is permanent right? since the plushie has been create. I was just wondering why that was since the artist that drew the dragon redraw had a question on their profile asking the users what needed to be changed/ what could be changed about the dragon. That just told me that it was going to be changed a bit. Eh, I guess not.
Does anyone have an image of the old dragons that way I can see what is meant by the attitude of the dragon ???
How can you say that, Looney? Polls mean a lot to users - there was a lot of unpleasant discussion over the fact that the Dragon wasn't polled while plenty of others were. Staff went back to doing polls, things were fine. There were disagreements, but it was a great way for the artists to see and discuss peoples' issues with the proposed revamp.
I think the most important job of a poll is to let users know that their opinions are being heard, which is my main draw to Subeta vs. other petsites. When this didn't happen to the Dragon revamp, it was certainly offensive to many people.
o.0 If you're talking about Longcat, there was a perfectly legitimate reason for that change. The chans really weren't planning on letting up on us over that.
That's alrighty, MissXami. 
The plushies truly are a huge improvement to the old ones (again, I vote whiskers).
Ok as for the polls issue... Polls kinda don't mean anything on here.. It is up to the artist, staff and Keith in the end. .... Remember a certain item a few months back that cause so much drama and there was a poll to keep it or not.. Well most users voted keep it and guess what .. it was changed into a whole new item... So yea polls don't mean anything.
My vote has always been since day one of the revamp that the dragon revamp be given whiskers, more scales, and the dark coloring around its eyes. The wings don't even bother me anymore, I just think it could use those few things.
Minno, I apologize for that Sorry, I should have taken a breath before I said that. You know, the sad thing is, I love these plushies... they are so squishy. But...I dunno :/ The whole revamp thing...
I was only using the word complain because it was the word that's been used. shrugs Didn't mean to be offensive or anything, I really am just as disappointed as everyone else that the mentioned rerevamp fell through. As soon as I heard there would be one I went out and bought a dragon elixir so when it finally came I could change Lorek back. Now I hope it's still worth as much as when I bought it.
Looney XD It wasn't just that. I don't know if you can see it but the WHOLE ATTITUDE of the pet has changed. It's no longer peaceful looking, just generic.
shakes head Hubby just showed me what all the fuss is about... All this fuss is over 2 little things hanging from a dragons mouth area.. Personally I think they look much better without them..
I'm sorry I just don't appreciate the word, Minno. It seems like we're being labeled the bad guys. We're kind of the underdogs who want their voices heard, not to be called ungrateful or complainers. So sorry about that. My friends says Keith made a good comment on the NC, so I look forward to that Keith
IU love the new plushies the artist who revamped these kicks butt. Thank you.
MissXami, for the record, I'm a previous dragon owner who changed her pet because she couldn't stand the revamp. I'm pretty sure that would mean I'm "complaining" too.
maybe the servers can only handle so many people on at once also..these other petsites are a heck of alot bigger then subeta though too...so they will have an enormous amount of servers to handle all the users.
Perhaps it's because the Sheeta, Tigrean, Terracoon and Ontra were drawn by the artists who can handle criticism, all of those were quite liked, with minor problems and they were still polled and slightly edited before the final version was made.
The Dragon however was just thrown at us when it was completely different and all we get is "the changes made were necessary so we didn't poll you" I think all revamps are necessary, otherwise they wouldn't be revamped anyway.
I suggest that the current Dragon with and without whiskers is polled and the best one would stay, as tiny a compromise that is, I think it may help. You say that we can add whiskers, but honestly I think more people like Dragons with whiskers, the Galactic Dragon actually looks a bit like a Dragarth, with whiskers it would be different at least. I think it would be easier for use to edit out whiskers than adding them in.
Aside from the complaints about how art staff handle revamps and discussion of why there should/shouldn't be polls, the majority of those 18 pages were actually dragon revamp related.
Minno, I like you keep saying we're 'complaining'. I'm offended. If someone changed a pet you loved, you'd 'complain' too. So please dont talk down on us. We have valid points and we have a right to be upset.
maybe the artist of the dragon decided they didnt want whiskers on the dragon anymore..ultimately, the choice is down to them..regardless of polls..a poll doesnt necessarily mean the majority choice is gonna happen.
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looney lupe girl, why were the sheeta, tigrean, otter, terracoon etc forced to have polls, and had to be approved by users, but not the dragon? ..................... Well I am not staff so you'd have to ask one of them.. ....... Why people do the things they do baffles me as much as the next person.
While there may only be that many users online at one time who says they're the same? Who knows how many different people are signing on and off within that number
LooneyLupeGirl, I'm pretty darn sure the people complaining here now are/were dragon owners. Thus the complaining. Those of us who were are perhaps disappointed because we thought there might be a chance to turn our pets back into dragons after the rerevamp. Those who are are disappointed because now it turns out they kept their pet(s) as dragons for nothing, as the hope that it would improve has officially been dashed.
No other petsite has only 1% of it's active userbase on at one time.
All I'm saying is, we may have 140,000 accounts, but ACTIVE accounts are probably half of that. If there were only 70,000 active players, then having 1000 on at a time would make much more sense.
ok regardless of the time zone thing..people have jobs, school, set amounts of time they are allowed internet access, there are many many reasons only a thousand or so users can be on at the same time.
Ooh, wow, they are so adorable!