Subeta -

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Yes, thank you, I'm aware that MC isn't staff anymore. Like I said, I don't intend to go into that again. It was a one-time side note. I wasn't the one who brought it up OR took it further.

And I've said a million times that I DO respect Tsume's hard work and the fact that she listened to user opinions and referenced MC's sketch. Again, my point was that if several different artists were given the chance to work with the same sketch, you'd see just how differently each one would flesh out, and thus it's not really fair to say that it was "what the original Demi artist was going to revamp it into anyways." Because it's not. Because every artist's style is unique and would lead to a different final product, regardless of the base sketch.

Make sense yet?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I must say, it is very pretty. o3o I love it and I wouldn't hesitate to get a non-redrawn demi if this ends up being the revamp.

Now, like several other people have said, the colouring does look a bit glossy, but since that's getting fixed, I believe, I won't go farther with that.

The tail looks a bit odd for me near the base, but I'm sure what it is. Maybe it's too flat, or too low. But I am not completely.

It also would be lovely if the spots on the ear would be darkened or largened, but I could live with it if they didn't.

Now, I know that the reborn won't be changed, thank goodness. snugs Rai But I will be sad if the DM is changed. So, it is natural that I hope it doesn't get changed.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

No one told you to fake compliments, or lie. What I'm saying is, don't post something if you're going to be rude about it.

Angelembryo, I'm sorry, but pretty much the entire art staff agreed Tsume was up to the job, and if anyone is an expert on subeta's 'style' it would be Tat and the other artists here. Mystic /did/ propose her sketch, and we did use it, and Tsume consulted Mystic for a good portion of the project. Tsume certainly didn't have to do that though, and perhaps you should show her a bit of thanks for it? I know most of the other artists wouldn't spend this much effort on a pet just to get things right.

"A bit of blending would do it some good."
Blending would completely throw off the art on this site, which is done in a cell shaded manner.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Can i remind you all that non-staff art is not accepted anymore. Meaning no matter how much MC draws or people love her drawing it will /not/ be accepted by staff. It was her choice to leave and not be on staff, nobody elses. period... end of sentence. no more on that topic

I don't mind people having their own opinions I don't. NOW giving rational, costructive, soundly put critques will go far. I'm not saying you don't have a right to say "the coloring looks like crap". You do.... now I will say this. That doesn't solve the problem in how it'll be fixed. I more or less will register your opinion, but if I can't see the problem and know how it can be fixed... then nothing will get fixed. Do you see what I'm saying?

I mean I want to grow as an artist and draw for this site. I want all the critiques I can get. Though when I can't see a problem, but you don't give me suggestions on how to fix it. There is no way it'll be improved.

to me... thats the line between constructive critism and then just a plain out opinion.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

mysticcookie can't submit her own because she's not staff. Period. Not because it's 'not fair' but because she doesn't want to. XD I think...

I think the Demi does need a revamp. So change, to me, is good. XD It's really just opinion...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Let me remind you, that this is basically what the /original/ Demi artist was going to revamp it into anyways.

No, really, it's not. Maybe this one was BASED on the original artist's outline, but the coloring, features, anatomy, shading, and pretty much all other details are totally different. (And I still think it's unfair that the original artist doesn't get a chance to submit a proposal for this revamp, since her sketch was VERY popular and I think a poll would reflect that, but I won't go into that again... yet ).

But the point is that, even when given the same sketch to work with, artists just have very different styles, and sometimes one artist's style is better suited for some things than others. In this case I think Tsume's style would make beautiful fanart, general site graphics (game images, characters, items, etc), but not whole pet species. No offense to Tsume; it's just an issue of style, not talent.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

you're right robotoi. When I'm being honest, I do tend to sound rude. Probably why no one likes talking to me.
Well, if I hurt anyones fellings, I'll be sure to sugar and honey coat everything I say. Who cares if it's not true then?

But frankly, if someone said that my coloring skills were bad, I'd have to take it in stride. I know mine isn't good, and I'm not going to pretend like it is either. If I see a piece of work that isn't colored well, I will most likely mention it as so.
I can also admit that comment was purely for rudness sake. It shouldn't have, but I couldn't really think of a better way to put it. It isn't colored well. A bit of blending would do it some good. The colors are blocky. I just can't say something looks good when it's not. I'd be lying to the artist and myself, and that doesn't help anything improve.

Of course, it's only my personal opinion, and I know it doesn't count anyway. I suppose I shouldn't have bothered.

and PymaJac, I never said I hated change! Just change that wasn't needed! If my friends changed what they wear, gee wiz their entitled to do so. I fully embrace free expression, and clothing is a part of that.
And hating an animal just because it grew up is so stupid. A cat is beautiful no matter how much it changes, same goes with every other animal in the world.
Now, if someone tore down one of the historical relics in my town just so they could build something cool and trendy, I would be pissed about that. New things can be build anywhere, but history can't be re-made and re-built.

Otherwise, I love change, expanding, and other things. Anything that didn't -need- it gets my goat a whole lot though.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

the one thing i just noticed with the revamped version is the tail looks odd... everything else about it is super cute! It's not that dramatic of a change like the chibi malticorn, The only thing i'm not feeling is the tail. I think it should curl up more and be against the body, kinda like the old one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The reason we are updating the Demi is to make it more uniform with the reborn and chibi, it would be pointless to revamp them with that being the case.

Let me remind you, that this is basically what the /original/ Demi artist was going to revamp it into anyways.

Also, Princess_Isho, keep the direct insults to yourself. 'itâ€™s terrible coloring job' is inappropriate and downright rude. A terrible coloring job would be scribbling all over the canvas.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

o.o Wow, I didn't even notice all the comments were falling off into non existance. XD Sorry about that.

Though honestly Princess_Isho, I think your constructive criticism is more criticism then constructive...But we can't all be perfect. D=

Iâ€™d like to ask, have you had a pet you loved suddenly revamped and completely changed from all the reasons you loved it in the first place?
Actually, I've had the montre and paralix change on me. Two pets I loved, but really needed revamps. I got over it. XD I mean... In all honestly, WHY would you throw out a pet if it's revamped? It's your pet... That's like getting a kitten and abandoning it in the street when it gets older and more mature, or when your best friend decides to wear different clothes, and you dump them for that. o.o I just... I don't get it.

I honestly really love this new revamp. The only thing I don't like is the tail again, like last time. XD But Tsume is already working out some more quirks to this, and you know what? She doesn't need to... So give her hugs. ^^ She definitely isn't doing this to kill everyone. XD She's just doing her job as artist. If it means revamping a really popular pet, then well... Any artist on Subeta would!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Yeah, thanks. But seeing as how comments seem to disappear as more are made, I haven't had the joy of witnessing for myself the repeated comments of it not being changed.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well, the reborn demi, which has been said about a bazillion times before, isn't being changed.

And I definitely think the old demi needs a revamp... And I own one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

And I'm not saying all of that just because I own a pet getting revamped. I don't hate change at all. Just change that doesn't really need it.

I have a Graveyard Malticorn, and I think I'd just giggle with joy if it got fixed up. I love it how it is, but if it's a change for the better, I'm all for it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Reborn Demi's not getting revamped. I'm pretty sure that's been said repeatedly, so save the ire.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Nestly, Youâ€™re telling us complainers to â€œcompare how bad the old one is compared to the new oneâ€, but how can we when itâ€™s NOT?
Do you even have a Demi? Oh, looks like you donâ€™t. Looks like you donâ€™t have any of the pets that have gone through the revamp the near year Iâ€™ve been here.
Iâ€™d like to ask, have you had a pet you loved suddenly revamped and completely changed from all the reasons you loved it in the first place?

Is a comparison still in need to satisfy you and all the others who complain about us â€˜complainerâ€™? Fine. Iâ€™ll give you one. Iâ€™ll compare both, giving both pros AND cons about both.

OLD
Good:
*Clear simple lines. (I can see everything about the Demi perfectly)
*Smooth thin quills
*Bright shining eyes
*Flexible curvy tail
*Spot marking clearly visible

Bad:
*Big feet (just needs to be a wee bit smaller)
*Awkward placed horn (itâ€™s crooked)
*Too little color detail (all it needs is a new coloring job. Ad a little shine here and there like on the new one, just toned down a lot though.)
*Neck and base of tail are too thin, body a wee bit thin as well

NEW
Good:
*Smooth body and legs anatomy
*Horn in the right place (at least it doesnâ€™t look like itâ€™s falling off XD)
*Smaller feet

Bad:
*Stiff looking and broken tail (looks like someone snapped his tail bone. Poor thing must be hurting. AND it looks like the tail is shooting out of itâ€˜s butt, rather than above it near the spine)
*Thick fat quills. (Unfortunately, it looks more like a mullet blowing in the wind. No definitions and distinction between each fat quill.)
*Lines are a bit too thin and blends in with everything else too much.
*Head style looks like it was referenced from the Chibi version. Good for Chibi... not so good for this.
*Over use of shading and texture. Iâ€™m sorry, but it looks like the artist was trying too hard to impress people when she didnâ€™t need to.
*Where are the spots on the ears?â€¦ Oh waitâ€¦ I think I see them. Darken them.

Over all viewâ€¦.
All the old Demi needed was a bit of a touch-up. A complete physical make-over went too far.
When I look at the new Demi, Iâ€™m not looking at the whole picture! I find my eyes focusing on itâ€™s fat head of hair.. Erm â€œquillâ€ (if you say so) and itâ€™s terrible coloring job. At least try to blend the colors.

I can just imagine how terrible the Reborn will look when it looks like this new one. I feel VERY sorry for those people who made a RB Demi their goal pet, and wasted their precious time and 5+ Mil to make it, same with any other Special Theme color that costs 2+ Mil.
I just honestly canâ€™t find much to be happy about it. If the supposed â€œgoalâ€ was to make the Demi more popularâ€¦ It just dropped a popularity point by at least one. Cause if my Chibi Demi changes, itâ€™s gone.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

In my opinion, compared the current demi, there is nothing to be said bad about this version. I liked the past revamp attempt a lot better, yes, but I think anything is better than the current demi. I never found it pleasing to the eye, and could never imagine it being 'alive' like I could most of the other pets because the anatomy just looks so wrong, particularly in the forelegs. While the foreleg in the foreground kind of bugs me in this one, at least it's not a big lump of flesh without an obvious joint in the middle. The only thing I could say to make this at least slightly helpful criticism has already been said, and that is to tone down the white glare in the eye, since it stands out a little too much... And there's my bashing of it, as I'm sure someone will call it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

"so i voted for the new one. i always thought you can say your own opinion in polls like this, so why are those who like the new demi complaining about us who don't like them? is it just me or doesn't it makes sense? tz..."

Well, superficially, they're entitled to their opinions that your opinion is in the wrong. Not that I'm saying I believe as much myself (I voted for the new Demi and am of the opinion it's an improvement on the old version, but I can see the arguments of the other position that think it's been "ruined" by the new look), but freedom to express one's opinion cuts both ways--which is something everyone should remember going into this discussion.

What I'm complaining about, and what others in my position might be complaining about, are people who are offering commentary that take the form of pity pleas ("I'll cry so hard if it changes!&quot, veiled or overt insults to either piece of art for the Demi (because seriously, what good does that do?), or attacking the "other side". While, again, you're entitled to express your own opinions on the matter, I don't think any of those are particularly useful in persuading people to see your view on things.

:X That's all.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

"and plain looks better"

That's your opinion, you know. I mean, the coloring is better on the new one, but I still find the old one more aesthetically pleasing. Not that I find it perfect, of course, there's a reason why I never wanted one (though I don't know why), but it's...eye-catching, you know? And I don't think the same about the new one. I mean, even if I'm not "used" to newer versions, I can still like them in their own right if I find them appealing (not saying I find the new demi completely un-apealing, but I'm not really falling in love with that face).

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

ps: I'm not used to the old Demi. I've registered only 2 months ago. Thats not long... I felt in love with the Demi on my first day, not with...this dog-like thing (though, it would be perfect if it's face would look more Demi-like (old Demi-like, of course)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

hm...very interesting. well, i STILL like the old one more, even if the new one is drawn better i don't the face of the new demi, i don't like it's muzzle and i don't like it's eyes. it is NOT cute in my opinion, it looks too much like a dog (and i don't like dogs).

so i voted for the new one. i always thought you can say your own opinion in polls like this, so why are those who like the new demi complaining about us who don't like them? is it just me or doesn't it makes sense? tz...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This revamp is great, the anatomy is near perfect, the markings are where they should be, it's in the same exact pose as the original art, so I don't know why some of you guys are complaining. If this revamp goes through, most of you would get used to this anyway, and if you don't well, you try revamping a whole species in a way that everyone would love. It's not easy!

Hopefully any miniscule problems will get fixed and this goes through, because it's wonderful

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

There such thing as too much detail and shading. This has proved that. Ew.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like this new Demi, but the old one I think just looks plain cuter. I voted for the new one, but still, the old Demi in my opoion looks a lote cuter and innicent rather than...realistic. I like cartoons! xD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like my demi the way it is. I don't like the shading or mane on this one. the mane looks stale.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Nestly: Kay. Everyone who is still complaining about the new look and that they prefer the old:

1.- The new one, is better draw, better posed, and plain looks better. You need to instead, compare how bad the old one is compared to the new one, not compare what you liked about the old one compared to the new.
2.- Try to vote according to what looks better, not what you like more, and what you're used to. New members will like seeing this Demi much more, because they won't be so used to the old version. And this is just simply drawn better.
3.- The only real complaints I see people making; it's clear to me they're just so used to the old one. I really hope for this change. The older members will learn to love and get used to it. 83

I lyk 2 rant... |3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This one is much better than the other try at a revamp, but I do still prefer the older one. It looked more mischievous and appealingly small, it really fit. Plus, the mane was spikier, and I'm biased towards spikes.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like this one... it has a lot more depth, and the hair looks better. The tail is also much better.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think this new revamp is better than the ohter

Nice job ^^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's way better than the last revamp try, but I still prefer the old one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

woooo new poll i like the new demi a lot but dosnt look as cute as the old one... but i love them both grats!!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I do think the demi needs a revamp, but I miss the old's cuteness.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Is it just me, or the new Demi looks like a Russian with a shaved beard?

votes for it, anyway Just because I'm curious to see how the revamp of the colours would look like. ;P

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Eh, something about it isn't quite right. :

I still prefer the old Demi, but i did vote for the new version. Just barly. The hair on it's back doesn't seem right, and for some reason the shading/highlighting bugs me alot. Too shiny for me.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

EstherDG
most of the pets you are stating look "better" or at least newer and more fitting from thier art then the Demi.
i fully understand why Demi gets his turn now.
though i liked the old version too (had once one, disowned because i no longer like the name to create a new one), i voted new.

oh, by the way... i sort of think the staff is working on your listed ones too. i mean, Cadogre, Demi, new Colores. seems to be a busy time right now.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I really love the artwork and quality of this revamp but something about the head just doesn't look like a demi to me :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Much better than the other one. Again, it would be nicer if it looked more like the old one... I still like it best. I love the face and it's fur now, but the shading does make it look very dark, and that tail is still very bent. It's still a better improvement though!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Its better than that another new demi. But id like more puffy tail... but its okay. This is one nice demi

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

oh, and ps. I DO like the new one.

I just think it's not any better than the old demi.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

ehm... I still think, the old demi looks really good as it is. why revamp? Why don't you revamp pets that need it?

Such as, (in my opinion) Clawsion, Dragarth, Otter, Ruffie and Malticorn.
There's so much to do, why focus on the Demi, a pet that really doesn't need it.

Btw, why I think the demi doesn't need a revamp.
It's cute. His/her nose and mouth are so simple, but perfect. The clear lines, these make the demi stand out. The look in the demi's eyes, I dont really know how to describe it... The pose, straight, with the head a little turned, cute, gracefull, relaxed.

Well, I hope I made my point clear, it's up to you to do something about it or just ignore me.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

My comment got cut? =/ Oh well, as I said I do miss the more mischievous expression on the old one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I really really dislike the new Demi the only thing i do like about it is the way it sits. The head its really ugly and the hair is weird looking i also dont like the tail. i feel soooo bad saying this knowing i could not do any better :| i feel like the old Demi was fine apart from the fact it looked a lil stiff in the body.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh, I like this much better than the first revamp, though the tale still looks a little stiff. But I like the hair.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

an ugly dog? that's really rude, emma. =/

i don't think it looks like that at all, in fact i think its quite cute.
i like that sly little smile~

i like the new revamp. it fits in with the rest of the pets~

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

im really not liking the hair, tail or face at all, they are not as cute as the old demi and i has lost all of its "deminess"
the lines are very thin, and the body and tail are a little to furry, the face is all messed up in that its face looks too much like a ugly dog. The hair is all stiff looking and does not give the demi as much life as the other one.
after all this going on about a revamp, i have zapped my beautiful dawn demi, knowing its going to get a terrible makeover

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This one is better than the old revamp, but not better than the old old Demi :/
It's muzzle reminds me of a dog or something, but the old Demi never did. And the eyes are...hm...well, it's not as cute as the old Demi. The eyebrows are too far away from the eyes

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think it's a real shame that in making the anatomy more correct, you lose the delicate qualities of the demi. In the original it looks slightly fey and fragile, the newer versions are much chubbier and cutesy. I voted for the older version, really all it needs are thinner lines and very slight adjustment.

I do hope that whatever happens you never change reborn. It's among my favourite art on the site - and in fact if you changed the standard Demi's pose to something more like reborn, you might be onto a winner.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The tail still bothers me a small bit, but I like it a lot. Don't really know how you'd fix it while trying to make the Demi still look sort of the same.

Just really wanted to say nice job~ :3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think this is a lovely redraw and I definitely prefer it over the old versions.

I think that it would look better if the shading on the body was done in the same style it is on the tail. That furry look. ^^ Also, something about the eyes doesn't seem right... The shape of them, maybe?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I really like the new one! The ONLY thing I would maybe change is the eyebrows/shape of the eyes. They make the Demi look a little surprised, when before it looked more serene.

I know it's nit-picky, sorry.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

OH dear...senile old me forgot to ask...does it look to anyone else like the mouth is open in a tiny smile? or is the line just not drawn all the way across? I actually think it would look cute with it's mouth open a tad, yes? ^^;

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