Subeta -

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The thing of the matter is, everybody is getting upset because the keetos are being critisized. But what if YOU didn't like them? Then it'd be a totally new world.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

ok im not dissing anyone but good lord is it just me? the keeto needs a complete and total revamp. it is so flat it needs to have more personality boldness 3d ness anything but redo it!!! it isnt going to stand up to the rest of the pets soon you knoe? well i like the desgin and dont lose track of what it looks like. keep the micheveous smile and the sly look but make it more 3d it really needs it and one last thing is that WHEN you revamp it watch the shadowing messing up the shadowing on this type of pet will completely miss the whole overall feeling of it...please take this into consideration and give the flat keeto a proper barriel.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Divsy, there are more wrong than the lines, like i said, don't mind lines.
So long and hard the change hurts, so long and hart people will complain about it.

And by the way, where is your Keeto?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's pretty good. The darker lines are nice. I just miss that good ol' mischevious smile. And the red eyes Mira once had. And the thinner stripes. Other than that, they're ok I guess.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

But... sniffle What.about.the.LILAC.ones xP

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

heh. i agree with everyone being too darned WHINY. for chrissake. everyone's just repeating and repeating. well. THAT is hurtful. Do you really need to couble the impact by adding your own comment? which basically says the exact same. crit is nice. but theres such a thing as TOO MUCH crit, right?

and what the heck? we're whining about TAPERED lines now? oh, give me a break.

whatever. i think it looks fine. And yes, i work with a mouse. and those of you that are downgrading mouse art? =.= well. i've seen people work with tablets that are worse than me.

anyways, robotai, you did an awesome job, but unfortunetely, as i've constantly seen. people are so opposed to change. :/ and.. i think the keeto needs a whole revamp anyways, nn; not just a partial. shrug

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Just so you know, the Sun color itself is supposed to be orange/red/maroon...ish. ^^; Not pink. That's why it was changed

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The hot pink of the sun keeto was gorgeous .

I think I'll color my keeto bloodred now, unless it'll be changed...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

One thing I'm not understanding... those who are missing their pink Keetos since the Sun recolor - why not just change them to Dawn? Too pale? shrug Maybe I can't see it because I'm just not a pink fan. >.>

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I dont think I like this revamp....I wanted my keeto to be sun because of the pinkness...and now the pinkness is gone and she is ugly brown...cries

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I miss raibu's pinkness D: but I might just make her twilight anyway, as she is supposed to hate pink, i love the new twilight <3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oibear, love, you did an outstanding job on these new Keetos. Both Renda and Jhon look beautimous now, and I've completely changed my mind on making Jhon a Sheeta now. He is so staying Keeto.

-tackles oibear and feeds her love cookies- <3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Okay, I was among the few who were rathered outraged with this Revamp, it makes the Keeto look way different than it used to... But I did go back and actually look at it, like Oi suggested, and it doesn't look that bad... I suppose I'll just miss the smaller lines on teh old Keetos, but I'm still a huge Keeto fan, and this won't chnage a thing. -Salutes to Oi- THANKS. XD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Same, Mystic. My first ever pet was a keeto. Seeing evee's keetos on DA is what made me join subeta. I own 5 keetos and plan to own a 6th snuggles twilight elixir in vault

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm looking forward to another touch-up as the new colours actually look really wonderful!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Mystic, I swear, I'm staring at the eyes and I can't see the difference. I can notice the lack of tapered lines, I really can. But the eyes? Maybe I need new glasses.

Ugh, whatever. I'm so through with this news post. We will see what we can do with the lineart and fix it.

Sun keetos however will NOT go back to being pink. Eventually all sun pets will be either red or orange or a combination of both.

The end.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Two other things I just noticed...it has a square bum and the black on it's tail looks really sloppy, that could do with some coughtaperingcough and cleaning up.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oi I wish you had posted this in the staff forums, or if you did I'm terribly sorry but I must have missed it D:

So yes Keetos were the reason I joined Subeta I am very fond of them and have owned two, will probably own another one soon.

I'm comparing them to the bloodred Keeto and I'll just critique you like I would on the staff board. So this aint a personal attack or anything, kay?

1. The lines desparetly need tapering, as Dickie said just erase the ends to make the lines thinner. Thats what I use to do too, when I was stupid enough to not use the pressure function on my tablet. It looks good and it's easily do-able. the lines that need doing most are where the legs join the body.

2. It's face shape is squished, did you trace the cheek up too high? Or either it goes down to low, there is a sort of bumb there. It makes is lose it's elagance which is probably why people are
complaining it looks to cute.

3. The stiches on it's head are to thick, it draws you attention to it too much.

4. The eye shape is wrong, the black arches up too high and the actual eye has more of a bean shape, whereas it should be more kite shaped. This is where it loses it's elegance again.

5. The nose is simply to big at the top. It needs to be flatter.

6. Especially the littly swirly bit on the aura under its tummy, looks extremly square. it need to flow more, it's a wispy aura afterall not a piece of bad cut plexiglass following it around.

7. You could have added some backlights to make it stand out more.

8. The eye colors could be brighter especially on field. It looks like the old canis recolors where everything was in the same hue.

I can't say I like this much, I don't see why it was needed in the first place anyway. Ok point taken that the mouths needed to be closed...but it wasn't that annoying.

Actually kelpie I am amazed you think they look the same .___." <bri please don't take this personally, I know you are limited with the mouse ( actually before I didn't know this, you are good with it) but please consider my points here and please even if you don't PLEASE at least taper the lines!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ooooh, I am so pleased that Cowboy finally looks actually SUNNISH =D
And Oi, that's how I do my work too, with the pen tool. I sympathize. I too liked the variety in the mouths, but hey. I am fine with this revamp.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's not hard to use the pen tool with a mouse, I've done it myself using my laptop touchpad!
Secondly it's easy to taper a line without a tablet, there is the 'simulate pressure' option on the pen tool and also you could draw the lines thicker than you want and make them thinner in places using the eraser tool.
It's nice you tried and all but if you knew you weren't the best for the job then you shouldn't have done it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I uploaded the old dusk and lilac versions i had.
For thosse who see no changes, look on Dareus' petdiscription.
http://subeta.net/petinfo.php?petid=106039

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i hav a keeto! cant afford any potions tho =[

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I own a Keeto
or, lets say "owned".
As soon a the 4 waitinghours are over i will zapp Lizra - Dusk Keeto - or give her a serpeth elixir.

The trace changed her whole appeareance!
I don't mind shaggy lines or such. But i do mind her loss of great blue and bright eyes!
I just don't like her anymore.
And, you may want to change the filename of the "lilac" one into lavender... just happy this time this horrible turcoise wasn't added too. cough
But i see the good in it, now i save the time i would use to finish my application for the Twilight Keeto i wanted.

Sorry robotoi, it's just like that.

But besides my personal likes, respect for the work you had with it!!!
Realy understand what it means to draw lines with a mouse. >.<

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Why get rid of the grinning Keetos?

That derranged look was what made them so appealing. o.o

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Iâ€™m in the same boat here as ET... is there not chance of seeing the colors changed back?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

sighs Is there any chance of the keeto being pink again in sun color?

If not...then the orange will be a big change for me to get over ;-;.

Dear artist, I'm sorry for complaining, I really am, but I'm just so disappointed . Mice are tedious to work with, and I appreciate your effort you made for all of them. Forgive me

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Personally I think the new redraws are LOVELY for a mouse. I know... I've drawn with them, they are EVIL.
And the cream keeto has SUCH pretty colors, like someone said, its good enough to drink ;3 (or eat, whichever you prefer o-o; )
The color changes, I think, were really good on a lot of them. Some liked the pink sun keeto, I don't see a pink sun, so the orange is really nice. XD (you don't see a red sun either, but uhh...dashes off
Anyho, there are a few little things, but overall its all lovely, especially those eyes... purr

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think I would be happier if the sun keeto didn't turn orange. It totally killed the reason why I bought the elixir -.-.

The rest of the colors are fine and great nonetheless, though pale.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ok, so, now I feel kinda bad for just jumping in and not really saying much of anything...

First off, the redraw really does look perfectly fine. In all honesty, I had no clue it had been redrawn oO But then again, Iâ€™m not nitpicky about little details....

And, might I just say, thats darn fine work for a mouse. My lineart with a mouse on any program other than MS is... well, its bad

But I really do want to make a viable complaint about the color change... I dished out a pretty penny to turn Sparky Lilac... because I loved how bright and... I donâ€™t know, catching it was...

I donâ€™t have any trouble with any of the other colors (the Cream looks just fine, and the twilight looks great), but I really do wish that the Lilac would get changed back to the original color

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think people need to either critique properly and help the artist out or just need to ...well.
<brkay. Guys. There's a difference between HELPING and hurting an artist. If you do not like something, fine. It's good. But being rude about it isn't a very proper or kind thing to do.

Neither is expecting ANYONE to go out and buy a 100 dollar tablet. Not everyone is rich in reality and I think, for what these were made with, they're fine. They might NOT be up to the other standards but I applaude Robotoi for trying.

The end. I shall now disappear.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The redraw looks fine, wonderful, I love it....

BUT WHYYYYY are they lighter? DX sobs Now poor sparks looks like heâ€™s taken ill!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I will admit something though Robo. The new cream color looks good enough to drink. xP

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm sorry, the mouse comment wasn't directed at you. :/ I didn't mean to be hurtful with my statement - it's just that some of the people's comments about mouse-art made it sound like they thought it was automatically inferior to tablet art, which isn't correct. ._.; I wasn't trying to say you didn't do well with the resources provided.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Saga, then please get those artists to come work for us because obviously, my talent isn't that amazing.

But please don't ask me to be as good as them. For one, that's impossible and two, that's extremely hurtful.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The line width was almost exact except for certain places, I can show you easily in an art program. I was going to try to taper the lines at those areas where it was thinner (though it probably just would have been worse, I've tried it before on items), I just didn't get the time to do it.

And frankly, I would love to buy a tablet. But, to be completely honest, my family lives below standard poverty level in the US. I can't afford one.

No, the other Keetos won't be touched. This was just supposed to be a minor little tweek for the time being, in hopes that someone more skilled than me could come along and do a better job in the future.

Yes there are differences, but bear in mind, I cant make it exactly the same, I'm sorry. I am not an expert, this is just something I do for fun.

I really hope you all can understand that a huge majority of the artist staff is still in some kind of schooling, and we all do this on volunteer basis. It's guarenteed that we won't get everything perfect, and that there will be flaws in our art. But we really are trying to please you nontheless.

It just always seems on these pet news comments that people think we're trying to displease them, when you really all have no clue how many hours we all spend collaberating and commenting and working with each other to get things just so (though we do still miss things at times). Maybe we aren't all that greatto all of you, but we certainly try our hardest. Please don't think for once that we're not working out hardest on all of our images

If you want to see super perfect professional top quality art, then you'll have to go to the professionals :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh, I know the pain of drawing with a mouse. That's torture...

I appreciate the work of all the artists. Thank you for all the great work.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Downgraded? Uh, the lineart was just smoothened out a bit. It makes the Keeto look really nice, now. I myself would not have picked orange for the new Sun revamp, perhaps, but I think the Keeto looks really good. Yes, there are flaws, too, but dang, for mouse-art? That's pretty lovely. Me, being a Keeto-addict, enjoy the new change. :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

None of the artists who work for Subeta actually get paid that I know of, at least not in real currency.
In any case, I DO happen to know what drawing with a mouse is like. I did it for more than six years before I got a tablet. And I've seen artists on the 'net do mind-blowing artwork with a mouse and an oekaki applet, too. Tablets do make things easier, though, at least for most people.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I know the artist worked hard and spent her own time trying to make some people happy...but I'm just alittle upset since the Keeto was one of my favorite pets, and instead of getting upgraded, I see it downgraded .

Rarely do I get upset over redraws, I'll just go away now .

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think all those people need to stfu about this. Stop complaining. The new keetos look WONDERFUL, especially with all the unpaid effort put into them. I mean, seriously. WTF people. She did all that with a MOUSE, on her own time, without anything in return for her hard work. I wonder if a lot of you know how much it hurts your hands after a while to draw with a mouse, then colour it too. Robotoi did an amazing job. End of story.

I don't mean any offense, you complainers just angered me to the point of having to speak up. ><;

Keep up the great work, Robotoi! <3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I notice a lot of lines not being tapered too, the aura looks angular in some places, and they just look so dull and muted now. Bad idea to change the original which was fine and perfect. I didn't even notice the difference facial expressions..and why make all the same? Variety is good o-o

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'll admit the first thing I thought when I saw this was something among the lines of 'oh no'. I got all mad and gnashed a bit.

I won't repeat what others have said, but I prefer the older ones lines and a few of the older colors. There are some new ones I like better (new eyes = love). I just think that maybe a vote might have been a good idea to see how many people would be complaining.

But there would still be a bunch of people unhappy so I shouldn't have brung that up.

Robotoi, you did a good job and it's great we have a Cream Keeto now. I simply prefer the older version.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I find them adorable :]

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

eh. i don'ts mind it. o.o i notice the differences.. but.. i've grown to accept change on this site. nn; It seems alot of people are always nitpicking at the changes. and i won't be one of them. so.. heh. good work, Robotai. appreciate the effort you made. n_n

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Personally. I think itâ€™sâ€¦ Just. No. And Iâ€™ve got to agree, and mayhaps Iâ€™m being harsh. Butâ€¦ a nice profit should go into a good tablet and pen. You have the potential to be a wonderful artist, Robo. You didnâ€™t do a bad job for the Keeto revamp, although I will now say that I donâ€™t like the muzzle. Thereâ€™s not enough definitionâ€¦ However, the colors are beautifully done. I especially like the new Sun Keeto. I think the lineart should be thinned a bit, and the muzzle more pronouncedâ€¦ Other than that, itâ€™s not a bad job. Although, I'll agree with Saga about it being kind of... Childish. Hadn't there just been a discussion about how Telenine's looked a little bit Disney style and no one liked it? Let's not fall victim to "cutesy" pets... Out vicious pets with wonderful ersonality and attitude is what seperates and makes Subeta so much better than any other virtual pet site.

I do hope the Graveyard Keeto isnâ€™t touched though. Iâ€™ve got one of my own, and I love him the way he is.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm happy. It was suprising to see Khyrst in an actual sun color, though I'll be changing that. I didn't even notice the changes other than the colors.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

;-;-;-;-;-;-;

I really liked the color of the original sun keeto, the reason why I bought it..now..I really dislike it I'm sorry ;-;-;-;. The pink was good..I think this shouldn't have been updated

cries in a corner

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Robotoi, I'm sorry if my comments offended you. I was trying to be constructive and respectful. I know there were things about the Keeto that needed changing, and like I said, I'm glad you've fixed those things. I just think there were more things changed than there really needed to be - particularly the outlines. You've done far better linework than I could hope to with a rollerball, honestly, but compared to many of the other pets' artwork, the rollerball's capabilities just... don't match up. It's not your fault, and I admire your willingness to fix the Keeto's mistakes... I just think, for the most part, the old lineart was fine. :

I also probably should've added before that I don't think the new Keetos look BAD. I still like them, and I still plan to get one. It's just my opinion that the not all of the new tweaks were necessary. So again, I'm sorry if my comments came across the wrong way.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I mentioned the things that I did like about the redraw. There are just more things that I happen to dislike.
I don't think the whole thing needs to be redone or the redraw be scrapped entirely, but tweaking the lineart in places would be really nice... and fixing the face to give it the more malevolent look that Keetos are known for would help immensely too. The things we suggested might be minimal but they would make a huge difference in appearance. :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oi ilu.... i always have and always will. You did a beautiful job with the limitations you had. It's is still like the original artists work yet in better color. :3

I told you how ai felt before when i saw them... but i just wanted to tell you again. x3

<3 <3

(btw i've always admired your ability to pick the perfect colors. )

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