Subeta - Armory Sorting Project

Armory Sorting Project - FAQ

February 14, 2022 2:36 pm

Thank you all for already sorting over 11,000 items for the battle system! I wanted to post some more information for y'all, such as answers from the comments or staff discussions, in a new post for visibility. Please feel free to ask or comment on this post as well, and join in on the project here if you're just starting.

What is this for? :dmg:dark: The battle system is over a decade old, based heavily on Neopets system, and has a lot of room for improvement. This sorting is step 1/100 to just kind of show us where we are with the items that we've got now. Expect a lot more requests for feedback as we figure out changes to make to the battle system!

I wasn't sure where to put something, or I made a mistake on sorting. Am I going to get in trouble? :dmg:dark: [/b]It's not about right or wrong. We're opening this up to everyone so that we can use the average of answers. Please don't stress yourselves or worry![/b] Does the description or size of it make you think it should be two-handed even if it's one-handed in the overlay? Either one works, then! Does it not have an aura in the image but the description mentions magic? You can mark it as magical or not, whatever vibes.

This doesn't fit into an existing category, are new ones going to be added? :dmg:dark: Not in this round, since we already opened it up, but we can do more rounds of sorting with new options and prizes for y'all in the future. If you have doubts or aren't sure, marking it as 'other' is entirely okay!

Why are color-changing potions and plushies in the tagging pool? :dmg:dark: Subeta briefly had a PvP battle aspect where potions could be thrown at pets (and change their color). This is no longer available, but that's why they're showing up. Other things may have been tagged as battle items by accident. Potions, plushies, books, or other strange items can be sorted into the complete 'other' category and we can fix it from there.

What's in this for me? :dmg:dark: You get a shiny new avatar border at 250 items sorted, 1000 sP for each item sorted, and our thanks for your help!

I found a spelling error or other problem that needs to be fixed in the item's name or description, or I think something about it needs to be changed. :dmg:dark: Please use this form to report it!

February 18, 2022, 7:39 am by

Oh my i keep on losing now

February 16, 2022, 3:21 pm by

I put all gem, charms, crystal in the Trinkets and most of the stabbing weapons in the Sword. I would love to have these categories at last, too: scythe, whip, hammer, magic/spell attack, waist armor Is it possible to use a bow with hand?

February 16, 2022, 2:37 pm by

I appreciate y'all getting the community to help on this - i know we're all happy to help, but I, in particular, love doing this kind of thing. Sort and file, make everything nice and neat, it makes my brain do the happy chemical.

February 16, 2022, 1:52 pm by

Just wanted to say that I really enjoyed this, thank you for making it available :)

February 16, 2022, 1:39 pm by

Healing items I have come across a few that are not weapons or worn or thrown. Healing items should have their own category.

February 16, 2022, 1:31 pm by

My main "iffy" things so far are for daggers and dagger-like objects, which I used to call "Sword" but have started saying "Other Weapon"; and the magical aura, which I sometimes tag based on the description and sometimes on the art. But there are a lot of obviously non-magic items with an "aura" in the art.

I'm guessing 1-handed for most things unless the description or utility makes it obvious that 2 hands are needed. And I think I've made some mistakes by lumping all potions as "potions" even if they're not battle-based.

February 16, 2022, 10:04 am by

Nevermind, found how to keep track. For those wondering, check your Achievements tab currently in progress will show you your number X/250 you need

February 16, 2022, 9:29 am by

I've done a lot but no idea how much, there's no progress tracker?

February 16, 2022, 8:57 am by

How can I check my progress?

February 16, 2022, 3:36 am by

I really have a lot of trouble deciding if it is one-handed, or two-handed. Is "two-handed" means a certain weapon comes in 2 pieced and has to be hold with 2 hands, or it mean one heavy weapon that has to be held with both hands? Plus, I am just vibing, then the system hits me with Attack tag, which I absolutely has no idea how to sort.

February 16, 2022, 1:52 am by

I realized I made some mistakes already :( I'm sorry lol I'm just sleepy

February 16, 2022, 12:47 am by

i really like these achievements which we can actively help staff projects + get rewards + not too much of a grind ^^

February 15, 2022, 5:51 pm by

Glad I read this post as I had no idea Nicole Richie was a weapon.

February 15, 2022, 5:07 pm by

Okay, good news about making mistakes. I was coding helmets as "other" until I saw the word "helm" under armor. facepalm

I did try to do my best.

February 15, 2022, 5:00 pm by

I am finding quite a few items I need to buy. laughs I guess there really are a plethora of battle items!

February 15, 2022, 4:50 pm by

Thanks, I didn't realize there was an achievement for it too.

February 15, 2022, 3:50 pm by

This is just a first pass, likely, so we should have something a little more polished for you next time!

If you check under your achievements, it should tell you up to 250! Past that we don't have a counter for this round of sorting, but it is definitely something we'll be keeping in mind.

February 15, 2022, 3:37 pm by

i just found the best item ever while sorting , i'm in love haha

February 15, 2022, 2:42 pm by

I put daggers and knives under sword since they're basically very short swords sort of. Wish there had been a category for those. But it was kinda fun any way. Thanks for the new border.

February 15, 2022, 1:07 pm by

Sorting through items is so incredibly soothing haha.

February 15, 2022, 1:07 pm by

Also I'm questioning why Mace had a category but in the 250 items I've sorted, I think I've only encountered 3? Less then 5 for sure. Though there were so many daggers, knives, and scythes that overwhelmed the majority of weapons I got.

February 15, 2022, 12:27 pm by

For those trying to gain the 250 sorted weapons achievement, simply refresh on a page such as the news, and you will be notified if you've reached your goal. The Border automatically unlocks.

February 15, 2022, 11:43 am by

The categories do not make much sense. Type of object (sword, ring) and How to use it (thrown, wielded) are two different sets that can overlap quite a lot. Handedness is it's own set (can I hold something in one hand while using it? Can I possibly use the other hand for something else at the same time?). Something worn can be a weapon too, and the "magical" flag is just as random.

February 15, 2022, 11:27 am by

- personally I put very large shields such as Tower Shields as two-handed, because I could see it being used as its own weapon based on the mass alone. Like bludgeoning someone with a shield as large as you are. Most I put under one-handed.

There are items with, "magic/magical," or, "enchant/ed," which had no aura but I marked as a magical item based on the name. I didn't do ones with different-colored outlines personally if they did not have names as I've mentioned, only if they had an obvious aura (i.e. Lucent).

As for one vs two-handed I went based on the size of the weapon as much as possible. Or based on my knowledge of the weapons they're based on (such as katanas are generally two-handed weapons). I put a handful of staves in the two-handed section based on if you ran out of magic and had to use the weapon as a melee items, however some staves/rods looked short and I put as one-handed.

I kind of see why there are so many, "Other," options. If it's a one-handed weapon that has no real category listed it's a one-handed, "other." If it's an armor piece it's an armored, "Other," and so on.

Also I agree there should be more categories. Felt kind of wrong putting some flails under, "Mace," and others under, "Staff," based on the size and what it looked like.

February 15, 2022, 10:38 am by

Couple things I've noticed that are triggering my OCD/sorting needs, lol

-How exactly are we supposed to tell if something is one-handed/2 handed, is it just an educated guess? -The "magical" section, useless as is. What is the "does it have an aura?!"Does that mean "does it have a random colored outline of some sort? For now, I am just putting it in this section if the description or name has "magical" in it. A LOT of things in the battle pool could be considered magical, but the "aura" segment is throwing me off majorly. -Why is there 8 options titled "other" I think this could be just its own bracket, having 8 seems overwhelming and repetitive -I think shields just needs its own sorting bracket also. Don't stick them under One-handed/2 handed because how are we supposed to know which it is exactly?

Hopefully in the relative future we can have better organizing options because they're not very good at the moment, in my opinion.

February 15, 2022, 10:17 am by

Is there any way to see how many weapons I've sorted so far? I lost track.

February 15, 2022, 9:51 am by

I need more categories lol I need dagger/knife, crossbow, minion, scythe, cannon, bracer, whip, shuriken, hook, quill, gem/charm, claw/fist/katar, arrow, scroll, spear/polearm, back/cloak, snowball, hammer, flail....maybe something for arms, tails, wings, and horns.

It's hard to tell what would be a one handed and two handed sword most of the time too. I don't know if I'd count things going on your face as things that belong in the helm category either, but I also don't know what I would call it beyond face. Crowns I probably wouldn't put into helms since they're so exposed compared to helms, but I've seen them in helm categories before. Pie Mace looks more like a flail

...sorry I really like organizing things like this

February 15, 2022, 9:03 am by

Okay so I'm literally built for repetitive sorting tasks so this is fun!

The amount of other and other/other so far makes me feel like I'm about to fail a test BUT I do understand limiting options then adding more later that'll be more specific to the other others. My only actual critique of this process is a request from a mobile user: can that "is it magic?" question either be moved to the top under the item image or another item image be inserted underneath the choices before submission? For me the image is off the screen by the time I get there (and yes I've already forgotten if it had an aura because I wasn't thinking about it yet lol) so I gotta scroll up and down to check the image for signs of magic.

Not a big big deal because organization is fun, but I could speedrun this badboy if I had to scroll less |D

February 15, 2022, 8:25 am by

The sorting is definitely a lot of fun, I wish I could do it again. xD

February 15, 2022, 8:24 am by

As far as staffs go, I went one-handed on all of them due to primarily being magic-based weaponry. xD But yes, if you were going to physically whack someone with a staff, you'd need to two-hand some of them due to their weight.

February 15, 2022, 6:18 am by

I honestly find the sorting thing... fun for me :> I dunno I'm probably one of the only people who find it oddly therapeutic but I like imagining these items based on image, description and overlay and just thinking about what kind of object it'd be if I had it in my hands-

I'm also glad that you've cleared up that we don't need to worry if we may be wrong, cus there's a few times I forgot to click the "Magical" box haha-

Happy sorting, people! ; D

February 15, 2022, 4:16 am by

It would be cool to see how many items we each have done / how many to go (in total, not just for the achievement). But I kind of get why coding that might be a pain.

February 15, 2022, 3:53 am by

I'm not gonna lie, I don't battle too often so I wasn't sure what to categorize some items as...

And as for daggers and sais I put them under, "Weapons - Other," because it didn't feel right classifying them as swords. Hope that doesn't mess up too much. I really did just want to help out.

I also agree about other tiers for classifying weapons. There are so many and I'm willing to help out more on that regardless of any additional achievements. But I'm not sure how much help I actually am on this. I've had the same battle set for years now even tho my pet is now T9.

February 15, 2022, 2:18 am by

In future rounds I hope knives get separated out from swords.

February 15, 2022, 1:26 am by

It's all right, I posted the item report form because want people to use it! If it's problems with site items, I've made serious inroads on the backlog. However, page issues and CWs require a bit more work and organization of effort (consulting with other staff and releasers respectively), so we may still be working on those.

February 15, 2022, 1:11 am by

can yall just merge the two sites. Having to sign into new.subeta.net just to do certain things on this site is a drag. I could ask this in the forums. But that would require me having to sign into a chromium based browser

February 15, 2022, 1:05 am by

this is kind of tangential, and I hope you don't mind the ping, but I wanted to ask about the Spelling and Grammar Report form. I reported a couple things through there I think over a year ago, and I don't remember what one of them was anymore, but I occasionally check on the other thing and it's never been fixed. Is there a backlog of these reports at all? Should I submit a report again? Thanks!

February 15, 2022, 12:42 am by

I think I might be overthinking some of these. Like, staffs - when walking with them, yes, they are one handed, but if you're gonna use them as a weapon you're probably usually going to use two hands. Unless you're bonking Simba on the head to teach him that the pain in the past still hurts.

February 14, 2022, 11:37 pm by

The "worn" category isn't supposed to be for items with an HA overlay, I think--it's for armor, rings, necklaces, etc: items that you wear rather than hold/wield.

February 14, 2022, 11:24 pm by

two handed weapons were difficult to sort because while the item could be in one hand, I consider things with HEAVY WEIGHT to be a two handed thing?

February 14, 2022, 11:06 pm by

i tend to go with one handed>weapons>other for small ones, two handed>weapons>other for huge ones. i couldn't justify putting them in with the maces personally

February 14, 2022, 10:52 pm by

It very faintly shows up but you need to be looking for it but my mouse changes to a hand to show me sort of now.

February 14, 2022, 10:27 pm by

Do y’all count hammers under weapon>mace or weapon>other? I’m six one way, half dozen the other. 😵‍💫

February 14, 2022, 9:53 pm by

what has me intrigued is 'two handed'. my mind casts that to dark souls, where you need more strength on a character to wield 2 handed things effectively. one wonders if this will change up stat allocations on pets!

February 14, 2022, 9:38 pm by

I appreciate the answers. I have the border already, but my OCD enjoys this activity so I shall keep going!

February 14, 2022, 8:54 pm by

My organizational side loves the sorting, but I keep making the mistake of sorting axes as "other" because I keep forgetting about the axe category by the time an axe shows up so PLEASE FORGIVE ME IT'S NOT ON PURPOSE 😭

February 14, 2022, 8:43 pm by