FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT (Hoarfrost)

January 16, 2022, 1:48 pm by

he's found in the ice fields

January 16, 2022, 1:06 pm by

I just want to know where I get the challenger. lol.

January 16, 2022, 11:24 am by

I complain due to this reason: don't say one thing and then do another without informing us of changes. I don't think that's unreasonable.

January 16, 2022, 6:42 am by

We're not complaining for the sake of it, we're doing it in the hope that we'll be listened to and either something will be done to make up for the mistake, or it won't be repeated next time there's a similar scenario.

January 15, 2022, 9:25 pm by

ooh looks intense

January 15, 2022, 4:55 pm by

I personally am just going to continue training my battle pet. Maybe next winter, it will be strong enough to earn those prizes. Stay positive, and stop complaining.

January 15, 2022, 7:09 am by

I’m ok with not finishing my beanbag and plushie collections. There’s already a lot of unobtainable items, so why not add another through a hard challenger? 🤷🏻‍♀️

January 15, 2022, 5:49 am by

I have a feeling, this special shop might have been like the Freyalise - the really sought after items stay as rare and unobtainable as a Hoarfrost loot. Unless it would have been one, which has every item stocked forever at a given price, like Skitters or the like.

January 15, 2022, 5:19 am by

I would have thought, it's instead of the other old items, so those don't get even more worthless. They are so beautiful and the beanbag doesn't fit in at all.

January 15, 2022, 12:55 am by

That sounds like a good idea.

January 14, 2022, 9:29 pm by

I feel like we got swept under the carpet because it feels unsatisfactory….

January 14, 2022, 9:11 pm by

I don't exactly have a horse in this race, but after reading all the back and fourth here it seems like the free gift option wasn't available for this item, and I'm just curious why that is? Is it a coding issue, a length of time between free gifts issue? Or more that it seemed unfair to release the beanbag this way when the other item was stocked in the token shop? From an outside perspective "hit a button to collect a free item" seems comparable between Melody/Christmas and the Charity gifts, but it seems like there was more at play?

January 14, 2022, 8:26 pm by

I'm thinking the item directory needs a disclaimer: "Unreleased items are subject to change. They may be released in a different manner than originally intended, one that makes obtaining them easier or more difficult, or they may be deleted entirely."

January 14, 2022, 6:58 pm by

On my goodness ANON are you serious, my jaw hit the floor. Please contact me. And thank you :D

January 14, 2022, 6:01 pm by

Just going to reiterate I understand people are disappointed, I knew releasing it any way was going to disappoint people.

I've commented elsewhere, but the item might have originally intended to go out one way but didn't so it's not fair to keep those original expectations on them. It's not the same as if it was actually released via Melody and then we added it to the token shop/a challenger/etc. An example in mind is last year with the anniversary bag fiasco when the bags I released via Crystal Shop were on the list to be added to the bopper challengers. It was completely unfair that y'all spent those crystals only for them to be added to challengers right after.

This beanbag and the one wearable never went out any other way. They should be treated as they are now, a special shop item and loot. I completely get y'all being upset that I changed my mind how this specific item was released after saying it would be a shop item.

While I agree that generally it's team decisions on big things, I was the one that decided how this was released. I'm fine with people being upset with me over it! I promised one thing and ended up adjusting that. I tried to use user feedback about hey this was going to be free how could you change this to shop and put it to a challenger, but that also wasn't the way to go about it.

This was essentially a lose/lose situation all around and I'm owning that. It wasn't the fault of anyone else on staff about how this item eventually went out.

January 14, 2022, 4:36 pm by

neat! can't wait until my pet is stronk enough to face him! :)

January 14, 2022, 1:37 pm by

Also, if staff are allowed to change their minds about these things, they can go against the vote and release the Garden revamp and Lower West Side map before the Teahouse is finished. It's been nearly 5 years now.

January 14, 2022, 1:31 pm by

I totally agree with

I'm not bashing anyone, but I want to touch up on "If you hadn’t known, this wouldn’t be an issue". If the item was not intended to be on site, why release it to be on site where people can look in the item directory? A way to solve things for the future is to not upload it on site until it's going to be released.

People are upset over the fact that staff do not do what they say they will do. If they said it, they should do it. If they change their mind, please notify everyone by a news post or a thread.

January 14, 2022, 12:52 pm by

Decided to check the Token shop news post for the feedback mentioned by Amber, since nothing was found in the forums. It seemed to have been mentioned once there and was addressed. All the other posts looked to be happy and fine with the item being in the Token shop. I really don't understand why a really hard battle challenger is a better choice than the Token shop for an item with the intent of releasing free. Ultimately, somewhere free is the best place for an item that was originally intended to be free. It also doesn't particularly sit well with me when staff is saying, well if you didn't know about it, it wouldn't matter. The fact is, we do know about it, we were told how it would be handled, and it was changed.

It's not just an item, it's a matter of how things are handled here.

January 14, 2022, 11:37 am by

sweet glad to battle thank you ....

January 14, 2022, 9:48 am by

I'm glad I decided ages ago to not complete those collections. Also that this beanbag wasn't one of the unreleased items I really wanted and was waiting for Melody to drop. (I'm not a fan of sloths at all. Not quite a phobia over them but I can't look at them without feeling creeped out.)

January 14, 2022, 9:46 am by

Welp, never getting that. I also don't want anyone, after all the years I've been here, telling me not to be annoyed with the exact same people who've been running the show for those years. My trust in subeta staff is long past gone. We buried it, the grave grows flowers. The tree which sprouted is branching out. I literally don't believe anything they say. I'm here for my wardrobe (when it works and isn't, you know, randomly deleted) and the pets I adopted, and for my friends. Don't tell me who to blame for things going wrong. The leaders among the staff are where the buck stops, period.

January 14, 2022, 8:01 am by

Also, I think it’s super important to note Amber isn’t the only one in the show here. She’s a face, sure. But it’s not like she unilaterally made the decision. And this doesn’t erase all the massive GOOD SHES done for Subeta. It’s a collective team running this show. Someone else could have stepped up and been like “uhm, maybe…?” It’s a team. Don’t drag poor Amber through the mud and run her over with a bus by herself, y’all.

January 14, 2022, 7:58 am by

Is no one going to comment on the irony of equating battling an extremely hard challenger with an initially free-release item when just a little while ago we were told battling and training is super expensive, not everyone can or should be entitled to it, and Subeta can, in no way, undervalue it? This this is harder than the Gatekeeper — at least stat-wise. So I’m thinking those who beat this probably would have loved one or two of those insanely-debated boxes that released last year. That we were told was to protect an investment by battlers. Who worked hard and spent an insane amount of money on their kits. And then… are assigned an item users were told they were supposed to get via Melody. But didn’t. In the name of “not having to pay for it.” Gonna need you to make up your mind, Subeta. It’s hard to battle with whiplash.

January 14, 2022, 7:01 am by

ah yes, a limited edition challenger it takes hundreds of millions of sp to train up for and properly equip to even best once, that has literally nothing to do with the beanbag people were wanting. totally free. so much better than a free gift or put under the trees for the 25th. or free shop. or just dumped in the donation corner en masse. also asking where it was so adamantly demanded for this change to make it into high tier loot drop?

eh, at least the 12 people that can fight him are happy. i have no dog in this race except for the complete left field change with no explanation that has been continuously happening even with the apparent community advocate person that was made such a deal about?

January 14, 2022, 6:31 am by

Y’all it’s a single item released in a way you don’t like. If you hadn’t known, this wouldn’t be an issue. It’s frustrating yes but let’s be decent to each other as well, aight?

January 14, 2022, 5:41 am by

If they were intended as Melody items, they really should have gone out that way; having an extra gift under the tree would not have "ruffled anyone's feathers". I don't understand why, even if Amber had gotten her count off by a day, the item didn't go out as intended.

But this is what's absolutely mindboggling:

Quote by Amber

People provided feedback that the items were intended to go out via melody (which is free) changing to a shop where they pay was not ideal. I get that.

If Amber "gets" that changing from Melody to a shop is "not ideal", then surely she could have made the microscopic leap of logic necessary to conclude that changing again from a shop to a battle challenger only compounds the not-ideal-ness. She's been around long enough to understand that poor communication from staff is the number one most persistent complaint about this site, and saying one thing (it'll go out via a shop) and doing something different (psych! It's battle loot now!) is a textbook example of poor communication.

Whatever dubious benefit Amber imagines comes from making the beanbag "technically" (her word) free is not even proportional to the damage in trust she's caused by giving users yet another reason to doubt the word of its staff.

January 14, 2022, 5:26 am by

i get upset when i go to the comments of the news post to find out a little more information about the item or event posted about like the days of yesteryear and i'm greeted with a lot of people berating each other and subeta as a whole. i wasn't going to say anything to add to it, i usually don't but i don't think a single item that is obtainable with a little work is worth some of the language being used here.

January 14, 2022, 3:19 am by

An idea for if releasing non-weapon loot in a different way is ever approved: have the Hustler sell them like when he sold those fanciful and godly boxes with weapons in them. It would make sense as way for someone to obtain items without doing it the way they're meant to be obtained, and even if they cost a lot, it might still be less than in usershops, and would be an SP sink rather than giving the money to someone else.

January 14, 2022, 3:14 am by

MHO: I think after Hoarfrost is gone, this item could be placed in the Battle Shop in the impossible category. Something to think about. It is a shop. Something to work towards.

January 14, 2022, 3:13 am by

Amber, you do realize that a Free Gift is an option, right? Or just drop a few hundred into the Donation Center. Or make quests have a chance to give one out (even makes sense that a sloth would be miss the holiday 'cause it's slow!) Or wait until Keith is done with the MM thing and add it to that. Not EVERYTHING has to be Token Shop, BHH, or Crystal Shop -_-

The knack Subeta has for pissing off its users is uncanny. I'm not even mad, it's just funny at this point. Let me guess, the MM items will be put into the BHH or Crystal Shop too now? Because no other options remain, of course eyeroll

January 14, 2022, 2:43 am by

I mean, sure, people would probably still complain about it. But at least the staff would be upholding what they said about it going to a special shop.

January 14, 2022, 2:10 am by

I agree with what said, I care less about not being able to get the item (although a lot of people whose collections are almost finished will care about it) and more about the fact that we were told it would be in a special shop and then it wasn't. I've tried to be mature about this and not sound like a whiny brat because it's a very valid point. If you changed your mind, you could have said it in the forums or news comment somewhere "Oh, by the way, the beanbag isn't going to be in a special shop now, just a warning" or something like that.

I could go on about how I believe that non-weapon challenger loot should be obtainable in a different way for non-battlers, or at least loot that comes from difficult/limited challengers and therefore is more expensive in usershops, but that's not the main issue I'm trying to get across.

I didn't mind that the ice skates were released in the Token Shop, and I wouldn't have minded the beanbag being there either. Or in the Recycle shop or even the Millionaire Centre (although a lot of other people would have minded). I was looking forward to being able to buy it from one of these shops and now I'll never be able to.

But it's done now. Just please don't do anything like this next time, or maybe make sure we can't see the items in the directory so we don't know what they were originally intended for in the first place.

(Also, we could do with an easy winter challenger. One of the new challengers we got for Fireside was easy, and the other events have at least one easy challenger as well, but winter doesn't seem to).

January 14, 2022, 1:36 am by

IF she threw it. Not It she threw it.

Stuff where the beanbag was placed. We need an edit button in here.

January 14, 2022, 1:35 am by

It she threw it into the BHH yall be crying over that. I neverr see anything in there. IT NOT FAIR!!! I want my dummy

jesus christ.

January 14, 2022, 12:47 am by

You Lose! You lost to Hoarfrost. Visit the Healer before battling again!

Beginning Stats:

HEALTH 27,500 STRENGTH 6,000 DEFENSE 6,500 SPEED 4,575 EXP 8,000

January 14, 2022, 12:17 am by

setting the atmosphere by listening to some of the dark souls ost

January 14, 2022, 12:12 am by

Did it have to be on a seasonaly available challenger tho?

January 13, 2022, 9:36 pm by

if you think having or not having the item itself is the issue then clear the fog out of your glasses

January 13, 2022, 9:21 pm by

Well my best pet can't beat him. Good luck to the rest of you.

January 13, 2022, 9:16 pm by

Thanks to for offering us a chance to get the beanbag that is apparently on everyone's mind. I know you do a lot for this site and it is hard to think of solutions that will make everyone happy (which can never happen).

c: To the staff - you guys rock! A hard challenger gives me a reason to keep training up my pet.

January 13, 2022, 7:45 pm by

Neato!!!!

January 13, 2022, 7:03 pm by

i just wanted to say i'm so sorry if i've at all added to your frustration -- i actually didn't even know about the forum thread you linked (only the comment that promised the special shop release), which, wow, makes this more egregious than i was aware of. it's definitely more than fair to be upset and i would absolutely be taking this more personally in your position. for what it's worth, sending some love your way ❤️

January 13, 2022, 6:43 pm by

Both those beanbags were supposed to go out in a special shop that was supposed to be released the week of Jan 1. I understand your frustrations because I'm upset with Subeta as well. Don't say

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it will be going out via a special shop this week!

when it had no intentions of it being released that way. I feel battle loot is not a way to release something that was supposed to be free. I'm honestly nervous on what's going to happen with the other unreleased Holiday items.

I know my opinion may be unpopular with some, but I'm just stating the facts because it was concrete in the forums.

January 13, 2022, 6:32 pm by

Let me be clearer. I don't care this went to battling loot. I don't care this costs 50mil sp. I'm upset because I was told something different and this so-called "feedback" from others, I still can't find on the forums. So not only did unreleased beanbags screw up an achievement I may never end up getting, I was lied to. I know battlng is more expensive than beanbags, but maybe don't take that away? Why must we go on comparing what people like to do on a site based on how much it costs, like it's some sort of extra merit or badge? UGH. Frustrating. I should be so grateful I'm not a battler and I have battlers selling me this item. Thank you. Anyway-- I suppose it is more personal for me than for others. And then I have snarky comments here that I shouldn't be reading right now. So yeah, I'm getting angrier. I haven't felt upset in a while at subeta and it all begins to feel a bit silly to be this upset in the first place anyway, so I'll stop now.

January 13, 2022, 6:28 pm by

I apologize if my initial comment does across as snarky though. I do think it's sad to see promises being broken. Even if I think MM is a sucky feature, for those who do enjoy it, it isn't good that it's not...well...here still.

January 13, 2022, 6:22 pm by

I apologize, as I did not know the circumstances regarding this beanbag and what it's intention was. I only care that Hoarfrost is back considering I think he was on vacation last winter? That's all I care about with battling. The beanbag should be a permanent loot drop for him though (could you imagine this guy snuggling on this beanbag? I can.), and then it's no problem really, right? Eventually the price will stable out to be reasonable. I don't think 50mil is much considering the price most of the good weapons tend to be along with the amount of training required. Honestly non-battlers are getting the better deal here. xD

January 13, 2022, 6:19 pm by

it's certainly true that plenty of folks can and will get the loot and sell it, but the fact that anyone else who wants it will have to buy it (likely for a tidy sum of sp considering it's from a seasonal and difficult challenger) sits in direct opposition to the fact that it wasn't put in a special shop because, to quote: "People provided feedback that the items were intended to go out via melody (which is free) changing to a shop where they pay was not ideal." if the idea was to try to get an item that was intended to be free out in a way that was still technically free, releasing it in such a way that you either have to a) have already paid millions in training and weapons to beat the challenger or b) likely pay millions to buy it from someone who has just doesn't work. absolutely not trying to kick up any sort of fuss; just trying to make it clear that i don't think anyone who's upset about this is thinking it'll be entirely unobtainable, they're just pointing out that this solution still isn't ideal.

January 13, 2022, 6:03 pm by

Chiming in with the others disappointed the beanbag is being given out this way. Guess I'll stalk user shops for an item originally meant to be free. I'm def not investing the time and money needed to battle him. :P

January 13, 2022, 5:57 pm by

what level pet would you need to beat him? at first, I thought he was going to be one of those where we team up and wear him down.

I want to thank the staff for all they do for us; there's no way you can ever make everybody happy, you should make decisions you feel work on the site and please the majority of users.

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