Escalade Revamps

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The face looks like it ran into a sliding glass door and got smashed in and the helmet it too smooth now, I liked the angles of the spikes, they were bent like boomerangs, how they looked sharp and angled. Also, with the front leg being bent, it doesn't look like it stepping anymore, just standing awkward. Armor needs to be shinier and sharper.

The only things I like are the claws and fur, sorry.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

And one more note that I COMPLETELY blew off: It's not about "Older is better." It's about the pet's personality. People here like more serious personalities and less cutesy ones. That's why the last Escalade was liked so much.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Also, the face doesn't look anywhere near that defomred in the earlier models.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

But people didn't like THOSE models. They liked the last one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think that is exactly the point. If we want to get into the whole "older is better" thing, if anything the newest version is actually more on model than the one before it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Lol...I come back to Subeta to face this, eh? I'll have to change my Nuclear Escalade to something else now. :/ I started using this site because most of the pets WEREN'T cutesy.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I really, really don't like the new face. My feelings aren't helped by the fact that the nuclear version got a yellowier skin-tone. I can appreciate the cleaner lines, though.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

That's not really the point.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

For those complaining that the personality was changed, have some pictures of the pre-PRE-revamped Escalade:

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I made the same mistake.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Grammatical fix: I don't see why people think this revamp should have been polled first.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

How was this even poll-worthy? Nothing drastic was changed in the design of the Escalade, no extra wings or spots or heterochromia eyes. The pose is practically the same, angled different I think. It's still a creative-looking creature, and honestly looks fine! I kinda agree that I miss the more dynamic, stand-offish expression--but that doesn't ruin the entire pet for me. There's plenty more good going for it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Body is great, face is just.... So "cute" looking. They don't look at all intimidating now. The horns are also to smooth. Otherwise I like it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hmm i didn't need to comment like that... Sorry. The pet is not ruined lie that, the body is ways better but their snout need a little fix.

Actually why i even complain, i didnt own any escalade, was only planning.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Did they punch those escalade in the face? I mean their snouts are horrible off! The face is disgusting in my honest opinion. Why do they make always the face more ugly and the body more awesome...

Escalade didn't deserve this weirdo face. I take my plans for nuclear escalade back.. If those comments of people hurt, let them be! Another pet is ruined again. Shame

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ok, you know why i didn't offer any constructive criticism for this? Because i actually don't have any problem with the art itself...there's nothing about the art on its own i particularly find fault with. I think it's lovely artwork. The problem is the complete change in personality - i simply prefer the old one's more intense expression and angular features. (Yes, i'm using an overlay on mine, so don't jump all over me about how i can do that...I KNOW. I can still give my opinion, and i do encounter my pet elsewhere on the site where the overlay doesn't cover it.) When i said a terrible thing happened and the revamp ruined its face, i didn't mean the artwork itself was a complete disaster, just that the change in expression does not at all fit how i think of my own pet. I am truly sorry if what i said offended the artist; it's really great work...for someone else's Escalade. I do approve of the bigger claws though.

Basically, i agree completely with Silverevilchao's last comment. I was about to say the same thing even before i read their comment (except the bit about Chelons; i don't recall ever having a problem with the Chelons). I LIKE this art. I just don't like the fact that it replaced the old art. I guess i'll get used to it though.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I asked my husband, who doesn't even play (and asks me every day WHY I play lol) to look at an old Escalade and a new Escalade and what one he liked better. I didn't tell him what one was what. Just one version on the left and the other on the right. He liked the OLD one better. He doesn't play at all and he liked the old one more I really wanted to make one of my pets into an Escalade because to me, they looked like a warrior. Loved the pointy helmet and spikes by the tail. Loved their eyes. The new ones - though they have nice tails and claws - just look too cutesy; and to me, that's what Chibi pets are for. The helmet doesn't look as... Helmet-y, it looks soft. The tail spikes look soft. The eyes look soft and nice now. The old ones, to me didn't look mean or anything, but they gave the pet it's personality. And, though in the first, it is kinda hard to see the back front leg... In the new one, it's even more hard to see it. :(

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Yeah, I think this would look MUCH better with the head fashioned more like the older one. The head is kind of the first thing I see on a character, and is often what tells me whether a character looks cool or not. And like most people, I preferred the older more serious and dangerous head to the... I... I'm sorry. I really cannot think of any word to describe the new head for me besides "ugly." I mean, the shading is excellent and all, but that head...

Also, as pointed out by someone else, I started noticing the legs.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It turned out really pretty. A bit weirded out by the snout, but overall it's an amazing redraw.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't agree with directly targeting the artist with hateful speech (i.e. you suck, go die). However, negative words about the style and pet should be expected in these types of situations and they're good. They point out what's wrong with the site so the site can fix itself. Nothing's perfect. We don't expect perfection. We do expect a certain level of quality though. We expect to be listened to. To have our voices heard. Not shunned and told to GTFO. Some artists have released pets that have had a huge negative reaction. They then thought about the criticisms and fixed it or had multiple versions up to be polled or scrapped the new update entirely. This went on until the majority of the user base found the pet tolerable or satisfactory. Sure, some users were still upset but the masses had been tamed. And a lot were satisfied just by being listened to and NOT told they know nothing and should suck it up and shut up.

The last site I was on that decided to do a major overhaul on pets without user feedback was Neo and I quit that day. I spend hundreds of dollars on Subeta. I LOVE Subeta as hard as that may seem sometimes. I criticize because I love it. I want it to be the best. To look the best. If there is a flaw I want it fixed. I don't want to wear rose colored glasses and just "lalalala" forcing myself to tolerate things that could easily be fixed. The majority of the users prefer the personality and face of the old with updated artwork. That shouldn't be so hard. I've been on here almost 8 yrs and I hope to be on here till the day I die. However, I will quit if Subeta becomes like Neo and loses touch with the user base. Sure, we're a fickle bunch. But we do love you Subeta. Even during 404 errors ;)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Honestly, I don't even think it's the artist's fault that I don't like the new pet, because anatomically, shading etc etc, it's really sound...it's just the new personality that has me so upset.

The problem being a smaller symptom of an even larger one - even with pets with different artists, the same thing keeps happening: the excising of the old pet's personality to make it cuter, cuddlier, friendlier, which just makes all of the species look more the same with each other and more forgettable. Which would indicate that no, it's not an artist problem, it's a design issue, it's the suspicion that the artists are being told that "cute sells more, so revamp this species to be cuter and more smiley". Any personality the pets are having now is in the redraws, but even those are themed, so you don't get that much variation either.

So I should probably correct myself re: my knee-jerked last post: Hagane, YOUR Escalade is awesome - great fur texturing and shading in particular. The problem is that now it's replacing a different Escalade that many people got pets of that species for, my precious Hakuoro included. Which was particularly frustrating given that the Escalade was a species that wasn't that old or outdated anatomically...the shading of it could've been redone, but other than that, it was no old-school Chelon that was a damn blight on the side art-wise.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Although there were a couple of needlessly rude comments, the majority have simply been honest and respectful opinions, and this feedback is necessary for the artists to know what players want. With each revamp, the expression/personality/stance of the species is changed, and usually made the polar opposite of the original. This is what most people are taking issue with. Bearing this in mind, I gently suggest that the illustrators try to retain as much of the feeling of the pet as possible in future revamps. And if a preexisting pet sparks some creativity, go with it and see where it takes you--everyone enjoys a new species. Also, as you can see, the polls are clearly appreciated. Thank you subeta-team for all your hard work, and I apologize for rambling.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The once fierce kickass pet got reduced to a fluffy cuddly plushie :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

While I do appreciate the artist's attempts and hard work on the Escalade revamp, the original design of the face, helmet and horns should have been kept. The bracelets look a little bit more clunky on the new then on the old one,and the way the forth leg is mostly hidden gives it the appearance of it being only three legged. I also preferred the old shading a bit more. Perhaps something can be worked out to blend in what people like myself liked best about the Escalade with the new design so everyone would be happier. I did like the design of the tail, the crystals and the claws though.

And despite what some people are saying about critique, I'm not going to sit there and lie like some are hoping we would do. There is a big difference between giving a good critique, and just lying both to the artist and ourselves. How is an artist ever going to learn to improve their work if we just lie to them? I'm not excusing those who said terrible things about the artist or called her work ugly or anything else that was mean spirited. I just feel that once again that we have those board dictators are wanting us to just jump and down be happy for yet another change instead of us expressing our opinions. I really don't like this revamp much, but that is just how I feel.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Wow, I haven't seen this level of nastiness and thinly veiled insults in a while -_- .

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i wasn't a big fan of escalades before, but the revamp has really changed my opinion. i think they look great now, and i'm definitely gonna change one of my pets into an arid escalade soon. love this revamp! :)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I am so glad to see someone else who knows how to give proper critique! I always feel like I am the only one. That one of the first things we learned in my college art class.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh... wow. What a change!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The new body looks fabulous (fluffy, great shading) but the head looks odd and the face has lost it's original personality. If the head/face got revamped to look more like the old one (less flat, horns not tilted to the right) the entire design would be superb. Just my two cents. ;)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Another thing I noticed: all of the armor is less sharp. Why would you even make that change?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I for one really like the revamp. They looked like they were made entirely of plastic before. The softer shading is 1000x better and I personally feel that the heads have gotten an improvement. The angle of the old heads looked too harsh in comparison to the body; I think it looks much more natural now. And can I just point out the way the helmet casts a shadow on the fur around the neck? The attention to detail is beautiful. Also, THOSE COLORS. I LOVE THEM.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Man, I feel so bad for hagane. :c I hope I didn't come out as rude before, it was bugging me my whole work shift. I don't think I'm gonna change my Tungsten now, even though I'm not entirely happy with the changes. I bet she worked on the new design really hard! I just think many of us (including me) need to remember the people behind the art have feelings and put their heart into their artwork. Cheesy sounding, but true y'all.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I have to agree with those who aren't fond of this one. Whereas the body and shading is nicer, the face looks a bit squished and... It went from a serious, elegant species to a derpy, 'cute' one. Wouldn't be as unsettling if it wasn't a revamp.

No offense to the staff/team and artists, but I'm almost convinced they're changing so much in revamps on purpose so that unhappy people might buy the CSC overlays. :( Especially with the lack of polls and the seeming refusal to revert to the old art once again to please the community.

But what do I know?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The body and shading look much better than they did before! The tails look so fluffy now, ahhh. 'w'/ I miss the old Escalade's face and helmet, though. The sharp, serious look the old ones had always seemed characteristic of the species to me, and it feels weird that they look so cute and round now. :c I also miss the tube-feet with their little claw toes. Those are my only complaints, though! Everything else looks really good. :3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The /one and only/ issue I have with these is that they lost their aggressive expression. That was the one thing that really turned me on to the escalade. The darkmatters and glaciers still have that, though, so it's no major loss to me.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

LavaBeast, why would you say no offense? That's a compliment, I love hot dogs! :P

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Legitimately pleased with how beautiful my Escalades are. ^_^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I agree with c:

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I have to say, when I saw the new Escalade for Snow, I was a bit surprised about his face (loved the body, though!), but in some ways, I think this revamp will fit his personality better. I remember back when the Tigrean got updated and I switched Larexene to a different species for a bit, but it didn't fit her as well as the Tigrean did. Although I'm not as used to it, I did save the old art as an overlay, which'll work for her pet page, and while I'll have to look at the new art where the other places I see her, I still think she looks great either in her old or new art. As for Snow, I'm starting to dig his new art.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Perhaps people would find it easier to give appropriate criticism if they always used the form of a compliment sandwich: one positive, one negative, one positive.

As for me, if we could pull out that nose a little more, I'd be a happy camper. I'm crazy for the new tail and shades of color.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

mmmmmh~ hotdooogs~ great, now i'm hungry..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Every person who comments on a news post smells like hotdogs. ~~no offense~~

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think you people need to slow your roll. Don't like it? Don't get one. Or better yet, spend years becoming a good artist who meets deadlines and is very good at her job then get a job here and draw shot how you want.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh, I can definitely code in an overlay (thanks for the offer, tho), but it's still a bit frustrating that 1.) old art that was fine anatomically and style-wise was replaced, which seems to be a waste of resources to me, 2.) the new art decided to change the personality of the pet, which is less of a problem with the artist and more of a problem with the fact that the site wants to make the pets more generic in general, and 3.) now it's going to take me even more time/effort/sP to solve a problem that shouldn't even be there to begin with.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Umm. Overlays you can code into pet pages, not the ridiculous sitewide overlays that cost CSC? Overlays like all my otherwise-normal pets have? I do them for free. >.>

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Also have to chime in again to add that there is indeed a person behind this art. The Escalade is THEIR species. I wouldn't blame Hagane for feeling terrible right about now - some of these comments are flat-out rude. :s

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Because apparently non-hacked overlays require CSC, correct? Yeah.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think the main problem is that a lot of the newer revamps have made changes to designs that most people thought were fine, and that the revamps changed a lot of what people liked about the older designs. After several designs like this, it's kind of hard to be polite about it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Easy for you to say, I'm damn poor. I can't afford an overlay, nor am I willing to spend real money on a petsite when I have other, tangible, expenses for that money to go to.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

People also need to remember that overlays exist. If you don't like a pet's expression, then use the old art as an overlay? Or give the new one a different expression? :s

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