Custom Items: Improvements and Changes



There are some big changes coming to custom wearables, and if you already have an item approved on-site, these changed may affect you directly! Please read the following information carefully!

We would like to thank you all for the incredible response to our new Custom Items feature. As a staff, we spent a lot of time on the back end of this project trying to decide how it could best suit our site and our users. We wanted to empower our users to contribute their creative energy and ideas to wearables, while still maintaining our high artistic standards that so many people love and appreciate about Subeta.

Therefore, we knew that the first few weeks of Custom Items would be a learning process for everyone. We love the way the Custom Wearables Forum has taken off and the help and advice users are offering each other for getting their items approved and improving their submissions. We love the idea of “shops” for your items and can’t wait to see that continue to develop as time goes on. And, we LOVE the quality and creativity of the vast majority of items that we approve for use on-site.

That being said, this process hasn’t been without its bumps in the road! Over the past few weeks, our staff has been working extremely hard on the back end of this project. We knew almost immediately that we needed to improve our standards for quality and guidelines for submission to make things easier on both the users submitting art, and the support staff who are approving or denying it. We want to make our standards as clear as possible for everyone involved, so that if we deny your item, you know exactly why, and exactly what you need to do to improve it and submit it again, should you choose to do so.

The largest point of discussion on this custom items project has been, by far, the accepting of artwork (items or wearable overlays) that depicts copyrighted material. Upon first launch, we honestly did not know how we wanted to handle “fandom” items or copyrighted artwork. We briefly considered allowing all submissions that met our standards of quality - original material or not - and then dealing with the consequences from copyright owners should they ask us to remove that material from our site. However, we learned pretty quickly that this was completely unfair to the users who paid for these items - how disappointing would it be if you logged in one day, and your fantastic custom item that you paid Cash Shop Credits for had just disappeared, or had been completely redrawn without your knowledge? Yes, it’s fun to accurately depict your favorite characters, movies, books, etc., but as our artists can tell you, it’s no fun seeing your hard work copied, traced, or used without your permission.

So, we decided that accepting copyrighted material is a road that we are going to choose not to go down. And yes, we realize we have not been perfect about this ourselves in the past, but we are going to take the time NOW to make the changes to set ourselves back on the right road for the future - the right road being that of original artwork, high standards for quality, and finding unique ways to pay tribute to our favorite “real life” items as opposed to simply copying them.

Blah, blah, blah, Carol - what does this mean for me? For most of you, it means taking some time to carefully read through the Rules and Guidelines for Custom Wearables. This page has been updated, and will always stay updated with the latest guidelines for your submissions. As of the writing of this announcement, this page has been gone over with a fine-toothed comb in order to give you most well-defined instructions we can offer. As always, you can feel free to ask for rule clarifications or help in the appropriate forum.

For very few of you, this means that the item that you submitted, while it may have been approved in the past, does not meet our newly set standards for quality or originality. We had some very long discussions about how to handle this. We didn’t want to simply delete the items from the site (that would create a giant mess) or refund the original submitter their CSC (as many of the items have changed hands several times by now), so we have come up with a solution that we hope will be acceptable for those of you who will be affected by this change. So, if your existing item is designated by our staff as an item that needs to be edited in order to reflect our newly set standards for quality or originality, the original submitter of the item will be contacted by a Subeta staff artist who will be redrawing the item for you in order to bring it up to standard. You will have the opportunity to give that artist a special request you may have about the redrawing of the item, and at that point, the item will be redrawn and changed in all instances on the site by January 7th, 2012.

This is a one-time only deal, and we’re only doing it because of these very special circumstances. We realized that not having enough definition to our rules and standards is our fault, we apologize for the inconsistencies, and we want to do what we can to make it right to those of you who may be affected. Going forward, our staff is going to be much better educated about what is acceptable, and what is not, and our goal is to be consistent with our approval process to make it easier on everyone.

Please use this thread to ask any questions you might have. If you have an approved custom item on site right now, please DO NOT create a ticket asking if your item is one of those set to be revamped. If it is, you will be contacted in a timely manner by our staff, and everyone else can assume their item is “up to par”. Again, this is a very limited number of items, which is why we are choosing to take these measures now as opposed to letting things get further out of control.

We really think that this solution, while not perfect, is the best thing to do for everyone involved. We sincerely thank you for sticking with us through all the changes (here and otherwise!), and please know that we are always looking to improve the site for you, because you’re what keeps us here!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by ChibiStraws
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I think this is an awesome way to handle this. Even if it turns out one of the items you bought gets changed to a point you don't like it anymore (something I think is highly unlikely, considering the high quality of artwork always presented on Subeta) you can always sell it to someone who WILL want it, because there will no doubt be someone clamoring for a copy :)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Amy
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I agree with those that have mentioned the fact that there was no chance for the users to redraw their own CW items. If it was MY artwork that was to be redone, I'd feel like I had done nothing but paid for a CW; there is no sense in saying you created it anymore. I know that the Subeta team probably thought that it would be easier to see that the changes would be implemented the first time rather than going through the hassle of working with the artists, which would create a slower process. I can see the reason for it, but still I wish that the users who created the CW had an artistic say in their item.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by ironlucario
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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Slytherin
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Well, got a smail about my snitch. :( I thought I had made enough changes to it from the original version (3) but I guess it wasnt sufficient. I dont mind it being changed, but Im sortve sad my art wont be on site for it now. I wish they would have given the orignal artists a chance to redo it, before staff stepped in. Guess I cant do much about it now. I love all of Subetas artists so Im not worried about how the quality of the new version will be, Im just sad I didnt have the chance to do it myself.

Im really anxious to see the final result; I hope not too many of the current snitch owners are disappointed. D:

(PS; I apologize for the lack of punctuation, Im currently using a german keyboard and there is no apostrophe besides the ` and its hard to use.)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by rhino_loupe
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Really great way to deal with the situation Subeta, I'm impressed. Refunding, or making the submitters re-draw the art just wouldn't be fair.

You say it's tl;dr then spend 5 minutes writing a response, where most of what you said was covered in the first post? idgi

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Blir
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I don't have any custom items so I know I won't be affected- but overall I really am happy that you guys are cracking down on the copyrighted wearables. There are so many that are just... absolutely identical to designs from other games/shows/characters and it's a little odd imo that people have been profiting so much using someone else's design. True- they drew the art themselves- but it wasn't their idea. While things like the Snitch/Totoro wearable are absolutely adorable and are really badass to have on-site, I have to agree that it just isn't fair to the original creators of those characters. I'm glad these rules are being made stricter.

That being said though, I think it's a little odd that a Subeta artist would be assigned to redraw an item. If the original artist drew it once, why not just tell them what could be changed (give them a variety of suggestions such as change the color, alter the pose, etc) and let them redraw it themselves. If it's not up to standard after a redraw, then have them do it again. The Subeta artist's art is amazing, but I thought the whole fun part of CIs was always to have your OWN hand-drawn art on the site.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by wizardry
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you couldn't think of another word that isn't "retarded"? really?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by ColorBlind
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I agree with what said. If you're an artist trying to make profit off of something that isn't your creation, then you have to change it so much to where it doesn't look like the original while still trying to keep the spirit of it. I honestly thought this principle was common sense with the multitude of artists here, so it really surprised me when I saw fandom items all over the place. Face it; you didn't make the thing, nor did you change it enough so that it doesn't look like a copy. So honestly, you shouldn't make top dollar profit from it (unless it's something general like wigs and whatnot). Unless the artists did drastic edits to it like the companion cube, then it does border on copyrighted territory which is what Subeta is trying to avoid. The whole SOPA thing is also a reason why they might be so cautious.

It shouldn't be hard to take something like the Snitch and edit it so that it doesn't look like a Harry Potter Snitch. The person could've changed the ball's color, added more wings, turn the ball into a gold cube, made it a copper snitch, etc. It's not that hard to make an item your own.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Burton
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I don't understand why people are getting so upset. If that ridiculous censorship bill is passed, and copyrighted items are on the site, we can be shut down, no questions asked. So this is a great way to go about this. Just be glad they aren't just REMOVING THE ITEM and not refunding your CSC. Relax.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Porsef
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This is really retarded. Okay, yes, some fandom custom items are too close to the real thing and that's okay. But now you're putting work and stress on your artists to remake all those custom items that you're going to have them remake for NO REASON. No reason, because the original artists should have the choice whether they want them to do it or not.

The snitch, I can see getting changed but... look at it this way. It's a gold ball with wings, how fucking original. It's not copyrighting anything, anyone could have come up with that idea. It doesn't have the etchings the real one has on it, so it's totally irrelevant to Harry Potter.

The hair items, like the MLP hair, is totally not copyright. You can't copyright hair. It's hair 'inspired' by the show. They can't do anything about it. As long as you have lawyers that aren't retarded and that actually know the law, you're good. Some items, though, of course need to be changed. But not like the companion cube drastically. It's really retarded.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by ROCK
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I am super stoked that this is being done. Seriously. 100% agree with the whole business. And I think that it's nice that a staff artist will be redrawing it. A nice offer :)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Emrah
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Know anybody a page where i can sse all custom clothings?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Med_Kitty
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Wow, I see that the snitch is the major item everyone seems worried about. I am rather glad I didn't buy it. But I completely understand why Subeta is doing this, and the way you are choosing to go about it is amazing. However with that being said, if one of the items I purchased happens to be one of the items to be revamped and I dislike how it looks now will I be able to get the CSC I paid for it back? I have spent a lot of real world money on CSC for custom items and if I were to log in and see a major change to one of these, and it became something I was not pleased with, I would be extremely disappointed. I would not have bought it if I did not like it as is. I love this site and the art on it, however I just want to know my hard earned funds aren't suddenly going to feel wasted.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by FrankieBug
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Wow. I'm not affected by this at all (no talent to create my own, no money to buy a commission lol) but I just want to say the way the Subbie team is handling this is phenomenal. Most other sites would simply say "on review, if you're piece is no good, wave buh bye". Just one more example of Subbie going above and beyond. You guys must be getting set to work your backsides off over this revamping. Good luck!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Taters
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I agree with and

In my eyes it was the artists risk to do a item that could count as copywright. Of course it sucks, but if you were worried about it when the topic was first brought up, then maybe it was better to do something original?

I think its very wonderful that Subeta Team is doing this, usually other sites just delete the items and refund. It seems like a privilege that they are taking the time to fix their mistakes and allow your items to be redrawn, but I do understand the worry some have with others drawing for them. But Confection had good points about all that.

Luckily I dont have any/dont plan on making them due to not spending real money on game sites. But It probably is upsetting for some. At least they are kind enough to compromise. From how its going, a lot of people saw this as a bad system and thought it would fail. Everything starts somewhere, and they/we are learning what is right and wrong. So if everyone keeps working together, Im sure the CW will be working swimmingly soon. :U

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by DebiLee
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Frankly, as a significant CW purchaser, I'm actually happy to see this. Every time I've seen that Keeper of the Forest Companion (I didn't know until now what it was actually called) in the Forums I've honestly wondered how that was permitted. I do have a Snitch that was meant as a gift for someone, which I'm just going to hold onto for now to see what it turns into. Maybe it will end up being a little flying heart or something, who knows? I'm not upset by the change. My other few fandom type items were already checked by Staff and said to have enough changes from the originals, so they should be okay. The majority of my CW's are wigs, which I really can't see as needing much in the way of changes; as someone said, you can't really copyright a hairstyle.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by toilet
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for those complaining about it being released too early, im happy they did..

becauseeeeeeeeeeeee they got a chance to see what users would do and make rules according to what we did. if they just made a bunch of rules out of the blue it wouldnt be specific and as detailed as they are. how did staff know what we would do ... if we never did it? i felt like this CW thing was in the beta stage anyway. just my thoughts

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by RustonRampallion
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Sorry, messed up in my example. Sherlock isn't pd in the us until 2023.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by RustonRampallion
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Nevermind, I read the guidelines... it would apply I assume as long as 4 changes and subeta themes are added, yes? (Also, that website gave me a desire to have a bert the turtle duck and cover-type item...)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by RustonRampallion
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I don't think it really concerns me, since I don't plan on buying or making custom items anytime soon, but I thought I'd throw this question in. Does this mean no fandom items of any kind, or no -copyrighted- fandom items? Would you still be allowed to make something referencing something that is in public domain? Nosferatu, Metropolis, Sherlock Holmes, etc. These basically: http://wikibin.org/articles/list-of-public-domain-characters.html

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Lindsie
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I wish there was a better way of submitting items. As someone who buys CWs but doesn't make them, I feel like I wait a LONG time for some CWs to be released. Wait for 10 slots to fill up, wait for everyone to pay, wait for it to be submitted, wait while the artist fixes things that were wrong. At this point some people have dropped out of their slots, you have to wait again for them to fill up before it's resubmitted... ugh. I wish artists could send in their CW idea BEFORE they advertise to make sure it is acceptable FIRST. Anyone else know what I mean? .___. Idk. There's probably problems with that I'm not thinking of. I'm just frustrated with waiting so long.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Khaiya
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The point is, if it's a fandom inspired item, make it inspired by, not identical in every detail. I have seen some impressive takes on fandom inspired items...gorgeous... On my main gallery site, people get pieces yanked all the time for posting art that's all but copied from original pieces, and with far less kindness than they are using here. Hell, they are offering to redo the items themselves to avoid the wailing and gnashing of teeth. That is more than generous when a lawsuit for copyright infringement could shut down the site. They are covering their own butts, and ours too which is WIN. And guess what? You still have an item! So it's not an official HP snitch or whatever, deal, they are doing their best, and the fact they even have custom items is incredible, and so dang cool.

As for Gaia, the reason they have all those named character fandom copyrighted items, is because they sign advertising deals with the companies. It's one of the reasons I stopped playing on Gaia, they have gotten so commercialized that it makes me ill, and they don't have an option to buy a GA to hide the commercials.

So yeah, no point getting butthurt over it when we're lucky they are being this generous.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Pluma
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NoirRaven - just one thing to consider: gaia IS owned by a major corporation now, has been for a while. gaia is also based in silicon valley in california. it is not unlikely that they have deals with disney and the like, who are just down the road. gaia also has tons of lawyers and backing to cover their butts.

ultimately, i must agree with Rusty's simple statement and Confection's enlightening post. however, i hope this can be resolved as quickly and painlessly as possible, for the artists and the purchasers. thank you, subeta staff, for discussing these issues maturely and thoroughly, and for giving us such an extensive update. especially in these times of all the SOPA garbage, in the end, no one wants to see subeta ruined because of something that could have been done differently and better.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Confection
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: Thank you very much C: I'm glad to know my point was understood and well-received; I worry sometimes I misrepresent what I'm trying to say and get confusing to those reading it. xD

And not to further drive a stake in my point, because as I said, I empathize with those who created fandom items, but this has been on the Custom Clothing page from day one: "We may at any time release official items on Subeta that are similar to custom items. Anything you submit, including items based on personal characters, becomes property of Agoge, Incorporated. " Note the last five words, please.

What you submitted became their property. They are at full discretion to change it, with or without your consent. So, while this is a horrible situation and it would be in ill will to handle this any other way, it is rather gracious of them to take into account the original artist's wishes and attempt to contact them with special requests before making changes. It's very tasteful on Subeta's part, and for the reasons I already stated below, the best and most tactful option to this rather unfortunate situation.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Rusty
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What a mess.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Historiography
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Copyright is always going to be an issue though and quite honestly, for those who did do fandom items, as cool as they are, there's always going to be that chance that the item might be changed. It was a risk that to be quite honest, I figured would be a given for anyone drawing a fandom based item.

If an artist makes an exact copy of something that's already exists, be it a movie, cartoon or any other form of entertainment media, there's always going to be that chance that it will need to be altered, simply because the user is taking the property of something that technically is not theirs.

With that said, I distinctly remember my art professors stating that in general, the difference between the original and the mimic had to be at least 50% in order for it not to be infringing on copyright. That was when I was in college though so I'm not positive what the standards are now, but there's a generic idea of how much usually needs to be different from the original for it not to be considered copyright infringement.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Amon
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I'm still confused about this. Not how it is now but rather that there were even such big problems to start with. I mean, if staff says (before the feature is released and with the rules not updated upon release of the feature): 'You guys gonna love doing your own wearables, we'd fancy you draw your fan-stuff yourself, we mostly expect you to do fan-based stuff' Saying that, what did you expect people to do, honestly? It should have been clear at the point of release that no copyright should get harmed with custom items (common sense but still..). Changing it around afterwards like it came as a surprise that people would create fan-based stuff is kinda... well.. It might not be for me to say, as I'm not a custom item artist (but a customer at least) but 'fuzzy' rules and 'oh gonna try out first and then think the details afterwards' is a bit troublesome for those who have to deal with the concerning items (staff, original artist, those who bought the items). ^^' Good to see that things are getting straighted out but I honestly expected a site like this who ought to know about copyright to think a bit forward on that matter.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Jasper
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I really think you're being overly paranoid about the whole, copyright dealo. Considering how much GAIA is getting away with, and for real money I might add, you really don't need to be this cautious.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by pax
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Well said, . Your comment made me think about this in a different way. I honestly find it rather difficult to be impartial when it comes to this, but I am happy that Subeta is somehow taking a step towards the right direction. Yes, most of you who purchased fandom-related items may be at "a loss", but honestly, that's the risk you're putting yourself with when you get such a custom wearable; it was implied that they were almost always subject to change if any copyright issues arose. It was for that very reason that I honestly wasn't too thrilled to learn that tribute items could be made, because people will use it, and of course, be dismayed once they find out that they have to revise their item or have it taken down.

Custom wearables were always a matter of caveat emptor for me.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Catgut
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I think this is a step on the right direction. I look forward to seeing how the staff redraws are handled though, because that's what a positive respnse from me ultimately hinges on.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Cresenta
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I agree.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Fray
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Bravo, ! Your post was one of the best I've seen on this news post, and I agree 100%. :')

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by kimcl91
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Im completely happy with subeta making all this new rules with copywrite items that are going around...personally im tired of seeing all those items that are being "costume made" that look exactly like items from shows or movies...theres nothing custom about it your basically taking and idea you seen and making it.its not from your own idea at all. GOOD JOB SUBETA!!!!! KEEP IN FORCING THESE RULES FOR THE CW!!! <3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Confection
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I think the issue here with Subeta "copycats" versus User-made "copycats" is a matter of access. If a Subeta copycat is deemed too close to a copyrighted item, their lawyers can inform them and they have every right to change it. They made the darn thing after all. Plus, they have access to a lawyer to ask if an item is acceptable or not before submitting it.

Did the users who drew up the fan-made items have lawyers over their shoulders? I'm going to guess not. And given that the standards weren't up to snuff at first and how many custom wearables had to be looked over, who was going to think to call over an official to ask if it was okay when they were reviewing a custom item for acceptance on to the site? They probably thought they knew the site standard well enough since they were given the task, and made some honest mistakes here and there; or maybe they were so excited about the item content it clouded their judgment on copyright. Who knows? Point being, I'm sure not every person who drew the item had a lawyer telling them if it was too close to copyright, and I'm sure there wasn't a lawyer assigned every time a custom item showed up in someone's inbox to be checked if it would infringe on the site.

What I'm also getting at with this is having the user who originally drew the item redraw it is more of a pain than some might realize. While I can see the appeal of having the user redraw the item, now that they know they have a higher standard to follow, they're not going to sit around waiting for people who don't know that standard. Everyone is complaining about their items getting changed too much, and I understand that frustration. But if copyright issues call for say, the Keeper of the Forest (and I'm only using this as one CW I am familiar with that is beautiful and a fan item, not to point a finger at the user who made it or anything like that) to have two sets of ears, different markings and a new coloration to be deemed far enough from copyright infringement, the site isn't going to want to wait while the user plods along only wanting to change one thing at a time for fear of making it too different. The user who drew it and the people who bought it like it the way it is, and obviously want to change it as little as possible. The site might need more sweeping changes than the user is ready to do with simply a notice of "this needs to be changed". While it's more of a burden on the artists and a frustration to the users who originally drew and bought the item, it gets the job done quicker because they now understand what they need to do to avoid lawsuits and can just....do it. Without a middle man. Taking into account special requests from the original artists but getting what needs to be done, done. No waiting, no hassles, no possible user-left-forever having to wait for contact.

I can see the frustration of those who bought the items, believe me. But I also understand why Subeta is taking the action they're taking, and when you think about it, honestly it's the most effective solution in time, resources, and quick resolution to the problem. A change will never make everyone happy, but at least they're trying to upset as few people as possible and still fix the issue.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by fledgling
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I'm just really glad I stayed away from fandom items completely x_x

Thank you guys again for keeping us updated!! Although I do think it would be nice if the artists of the items requiring changes were allowed to make the changes themselves.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Disfan
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by Ken Nice to see Subeta taking the issue of copywritten material seriously. We want to see Subeta around for many years to come, and having &;questionable&; fandom items may set you guys up for trouble in the future. Good on you for sorting it out so quickly.

I agree completely! Kudos to the staff for taking this stand.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Firefly_880
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I really don't like the idea that the original artists don't get to fix their items, just like everyone else. I think a lot of artists will be insulted and offended by it. After all, they paid real money in order to create these items, share them with others, and have their art proudly displayed on someone's ha. It'd be like finishing a painting you're really proud of then having someone walk in and paint over it. :/

And what happens if the person doesn't want the item anymore? Is it just a "too bad" type of thing?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Snitch
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like it has been said over and over, I am VERY nervous for my Snitch... I need a snitch to match my username, but like said if the changes are like what happened to the example companion cube... I am not sure I want it anymore.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by finch
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I really don't like the fact that the items are not going to be redrawn by the original artists. At all.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Lai
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Yeah this is pretty frustrating. I know I have more then a few people who have said if the item is changed then they won't keep it. What am I supposed to do there? Abandon them? I don't have the CSC to pay them back.

And I do think that it would be nice to be given the chance to change the item WE paid for ourselves. I've put at least $40 of my own money into these CWs, I think we should have a chance to change them ourselves.

Also I agree with Alicia, the Companion Cube doesn't even look anything at all like a companion cube anymore- It looks like a brick of gears or something... if Keeper of the Forest Companion is changed so drastically, what is the point? DON'T get me wrong, I love the fact that you are giving us this chance to change it- AND I love that the Artists are contacting us and working with us on this. AND as a busy artist, I am thankful to have the option to have someone as talented as Arbor to be working on it for me- but at the same time, I kinda wished we at least had the option to decide.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by HISTORY_377
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Oh poor artists. You have enough work already. I do agree with artists who would prefer to redo their own work though. I do not understand why the artists should do it, excepting that perhaps it is because they have knowledge of how the site art should look since it is, well, their work. Hopefully a lot of things don't need to be redone , 'cause I own a lot of fandom items and would hate to see them altered. :c

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Window
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This should be interesting.

I hope this doesn't flood staff artists with too much work to do.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Klassikal
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Jfc. I am so tired of the 'subeta ripped off copywriters, I should be able to too' arguement. Just because Subeta does it doesn't make it right. I am glad to that Subeta is going to be moving away from direct copies of of copywrite stuff.

I still don't understand the rational of making site artists work on the items, but maybe there are some items that just need to be completely changed?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Squishy
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True, but doesn't mean it wasn't already stuff denied because of something similar. x) don't want to spoiler Thats why i'd like a clarification on this and addition to the official rules if possible. Its really.. surprising if you have to file a ticket because of something like this.

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