Custom Items: Improvements and Changes



There are some big changes coming to custom wearables, and if you already have an item approved on-site, these changed may affect you directly! Please read the following information carefully!

We would like to thank you all for the incredible response to our new Custom Items feature. As a staff, we spent a lot of time on the back end of this project trying to decide how it could best suit our site and our users. We wanted to empower our users to contribute their creative energy and ideas to wearables, while still maintaining our high artistic standards that so many people love and appreciate about Subeta.

Therefore, we knew that the first few weeks of Custom Items would be a learning process for everyone. We love the way the Custom Wearables Forum has taken off and the help and advice users are offering each other for getting their items approved and improving their submissions. We love the idea of “shops” for your items and can’t wait to see that continue to develop as time goes on. And, we LOVE the quality and creativity of the vast majority of items that we approve for use on-site.

That being said, this process hasn’t been without its bumps in the road! Over the past few weeks, our staff has been working extremely hard on the back end of this project. We knew almost immediately that we needed to improve our standards for quality and guidelines for submission to make things easier on both the users submitting art, and the support staff who are approving or denying it. We want to make our standards as clear as possible for everyone involved, so that if we deny your item, you know exactly why, and exactly what you need to do to improve it and submit it again, should you choose to do so.

The largest point of discussion on this custom items project has been, by far, the accepting of artwork (items or wearable overlays) that depicts copyrighted material. Upon first launch, we honestly did not know how we wanted to handle “fandom” items or copyrighted artwork. We briefly considered allowing all submissions that met our standards of quality - original material or not - and then dealing with the consequences from copyright owners should they ask us to remove that material from our site. However, we learned pretty quickly that this was completely unfair to the users who paid for these items - how disappointing would it be if you logged in one day, and your fantastic custom item that you paid Cash Shop Credits for had just disappeared, or had been completely redrawn without your knowledge? Yes, it’s fun to accurately depict your favorite characters, movies, books, etc., but as our artists can tell you, it’s no fun seeing your hard work copied, traced, or used without your permission.

So, we decided that accepting copyrighted material is a road that we are going to choose not to go down. And yes, we realize we have not been perfect about this ourselves in the past, but we are going to take the time NOW to make the changes to set ourselves back on the right road for the future - the right road being that of original artwork, high standards for quality, and finding unique ways to pay tribute to our favorite “real life” items as opposed to simply copying them.

Blah, blah, blah, Carol - what does this mean for me? For most of you, it means taking some time to carefully read through the Rules and Guidelines for Custom Wearables. This page has been updated, and will always stay updated with the latest guidelines for your submissions. As of the writing of this announcement, this page has been gone over with a fine-toothed comb in order to give you most well-defined instructions we can offer. As always, you can feel free to ask for rule clarifications or help in the appropriate forum.

For very few of you, this means that the item that you submitted, while it may have been approved in the past, does not meet our newly set standards for quality or originality. We had some very long discussions about how to handle this. We didn’t want to simply delete the items from the site (that would create a giant mess) or refund the original submitter their CSC (as many of the items have changed hands several times by now), so we have come up with a solution that we hope will be acceptable for those of you who will be affected by this change. So, if your existing item is designated by our staff as an item that needs to be edited in order to reflect our newly set standards for quality or originality, the original submitter of the item will be contacted by a Subeta staff artist who will be redrawing the item for you in order to bring it up to standard. You will have the opportunity to give that artist a special request you may have about the redrawing of the item, and at that point, the item will be redrawn and changed in all instances on the site by January 7th, 2012.

This is a one-time only deal, and we’re only doing it because of these very special circumstances. We realized that not having enough definition to our rules and standards is our fault, we apologize for the inconsistencies, and we want to do what we can to make it right to those of you who may be affected. Going forward, our staff is going to be much better educated about what is acceptable, and what is not, and our goal is to be consistent with our approval process to make it easier on everyone.

Please use this thread to ask any questions you might have. If you have an approved custom item on site right now, please DO NOT create a ticket asking if your item is one of those set to be revamped. If it is, you will be contacted in a timely manner by our staff, and everyone else can assume their item is “up to par”. Again, this is a very limited number of items, which is why we are choosing to take these measures now as opposed to letting things get further out of control.

We really think that this solution, while not perfect, is the best thing to do for everyone involved. We sincerely thank you for sticking with us through all the changes (here and otherwise!), and please know that we are always looking to improve the site for you, because you’re what keeps us here!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Clearwater
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It's interesting that Subeta would get so official with custom wearables, which is understandable, but there are definitely loads of items that are possibly an infringement. Kind of picky, no?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by VALHALLA
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ROFL. the difference between 'socks' and 'kitten' is they are words and not copywritten intellectual property.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by enid
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omg who made that pretty florence wig ...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Celestial
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Um... okay, so I don't mind that there is being a crack-down on the fandom items, in fact it is probably needed. However, if an artist such as myself has had one already accepted that needs to be modified, why would a staff artist be assigned to modify it? Why not tell the artist what needs to be done instead of taking that on as something that the Subeta artists need to fix? Personally if something I did needs to be fixed, redone, whatever, I want to do it and resubmit it. I don't want anyone else touching my art, and I'm sure the people that bought my item would feel the same way. They bought my item knowing the quality of it and how it would turn out. Who knows how it will come out if a completely different artist redraws an image? Let the original artist take care of the modifications.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Cersei
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I think custom items are a really stupid idea unless you are going to give us complete control over the item we are paying REAL WORLD MONEY for.

But thats just me and this is a feature I'm never going to waste money on.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Gourgeist
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I paid 700 CSC to get my Keeper of the Forest Companion ... I wish it won't be changed that much :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Squishy
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I still have issues with the name of an item. How about users with rw names? If you are named Socks, Kitten, Insane, Happy, Pink etc it doesn't really make much sense to go strict after this rule..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Paint
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Ah, good to have things clarified!

As a note to people saying that the original artist should have a chance to redraw the item, this makes sense to me for fan items, but not for items that are not "up to quality". Considering the fact that the issue is the style/quality/whatever they're drawn in in the first place, it wouldn't makes sense to have the artists redraw it again unless they set up something like "try redrawing it once if that doesn't pan out we'll have staff do it"?

But again, thank you for the clarification!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Fray
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I'm actually really glad to see you guys cracking down on all the fan items that were taking over the CW forum- as said before, it's really quite unfair for certain subeta users to be benefiting from other people's intellectual properties.

Atleast the future items I have planned won't be affected by this, so I suppose it's alright for me to go about saying this, neh. It will be nice to see people coming up with unique items instead of fandom ones, I must say! ^^;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by ColorBlind
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I don't have any custom wearables nor have I made any, but I have been aware of the amount of problems it has caused. I'm glad the process is more clear, but as an artist I don't think it is entirely fair for people's art to be tampered with without them seeing the outcome. They should be given the opportunity to edit their item (like the Snitch) before the deadline. If it still doesn't meet Subeta standards, then the staff artists should step in. These are people's artwork you're messing with. I just find it a little insulting for someone to not be able to edit their own drawing because they put a lot of work into it.

I personally wouldn't have made fandom items glaringly obvious to the original copyright because I know that the product isn't truly mine. The editing of the cube is what I do support in terms of being inspired by a trademark while not just copying it. That's just my opinion. I've been taught to not try and sell things that are fandom specific, nor to put drawings of them in my portfolio. Blame my art teacher. ;X

I also agree with everything said. When I discovered the feature after a long hiatus from here, the first thought I had was that now everyone will start making a bunch of fandom items. I just think that the staff should have been aware of that too. I'll also start lurking the Bragging and Complaining forum more too. ;P

I do hope that this change will allow people to be more creative with their items rather than just drawing from already made creations. I'm a creative person who would like to use this feature in the future, but I always got the feeling that no one would buy my stuff because it isn't from a fandom.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Lantern
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Well, I just hope hair/wigs won't be too affected by all this. You can't really copyright a hair style :P

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Loving
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I personally didn't do any custom items, too expensive, and I do understand that you all payed $50 for it, and yes, it's a little offensive to have someone else draw it when you payed that kind of money(though, I'd be honored to have such lovely artists redo something of mine, but in the case of spending $50... no).

I'll admit, I didn't read this all the way through, classic case of tl;dr, but I'd imagine someone contacted them regarding the material that infringed on copyrights and gave them a set deadline to fix these problems or there'd probably be some consequences to deal with.

Coming from said situation, I understand why they'd have the artists speed it up to make the deadline for our own good. We wouldn't want Subeta to go down because someone didn't cut the deadline, now do we? No. No we don't. They're honestly doing it in 'self defense', in said situation.

Perhaps the original artists can get a chance to redo the revamp after the deadline, should they not like it, and have the staff rate it to make sure it doesn't cause any problems? I'm sure everyone would like this option, at the very least. It'd allow Subeta to both make the deadline, let the already existing custom item artists have the honor of their item being redrawn by a staff member(should they take it that way), and have the opportunity to redo it themselves -after- the deadline, should they not like the staff's revamp. Win-win, in my opinion.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Bolt
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I will definitely enjoy watching the bragging and complaining forum as this happens. Shit is going to be interesting. Also, it sucks that people have paid for specific things that, after the revamp, they might not want at all. Messy situation, honestly. I'm not quite sure why this never factored into the thought process as this went into development, especially since the Subeta staff is always keenly aware of the "CAN WE HAVE HARRY POTTER TRUNKS" "I WOULD LOVE A CALCIFER FROM HOWL'S MOVING CASTLE AS A MINION" "JABBERWOCKY BACKGROUNDS" kind of suggestions that always crop up in the Suggestions section. I'm just saying, the more you guys try to capitalise on "WE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY SUPER SERIOUSLY HONESTLY PUT THOUGHT INTO THIS BEFORE WE IMPLEMENTED IT ONTO THE SITE, HONEST", the weirder it sounds. As I said, I'll be trawling the forums for the next several weeks...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by glory_720
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i think it's great that a staff member is redrawing these. there are some cws that just don't fit the quality of subeta items. not a lot, but a few.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Chou
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And this is just one of the reason why Subeta is the best pet-site ever! I really think that this is a compromise that most people (and yes I also mean the original artists of the CWs) can live with, as you already said, it's not perfect, but I think that it'll work out quite fine! :)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by LizzyBoots
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Yeah that make sense, I mean some of the wigs have accessories, etc in them that are pretty recognizable as characters, so I don't know about that. But the ones that just look like normal hair should be okay, right?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by what
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GOTTA LOVE THE COMMUNICATION, SUBETA. Keep it up!

Luckily I don't have any custom wears to worry about, whoo.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Artist_169
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what about the subeta made Tron-inspired trunk from the cash shop?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Amae
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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Sugar
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I'm not too worried. I just hope my Ruki hair (that I've commissioned) will pass. It's just hair after all :)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Satyr
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frankly im happy with this response. i know a select few people (aka those who own the items in question that are due for a revamp) will be pissed off, but frankly i think that is kind of unavoidable if you are going to be dealing with this issue whatsoever. im just happy to see subeta addressing the rules of copywrites and intellectual property seriously. because really, all it takes is one big pissed off copyright holder to bring the entire site to its knees. even if that were never to happen, it is just downright sleazy to profit off the IP of others. so yes, good on you for this, subeta. if only this sort of thing had been decided prior to the feature's launch.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Rebecca_324
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I don't understand why staff would do the redraw. I think the original artist should be given the opportunity to do it themselves and staff artists shouldn't step in unless they fail to meet the standards before the deadline. Also, Subeta should seriously consider correcting some of their own copyrighted items during this time. I was proud of Keith for owning up to the cube, but let's face it, there's a ton of items on here that are just as bad.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by odduckOasis
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If anything, I think that the artist should have the right to change it themselves. If the points are made to the artist about what they need to change, they should be given the opportunity to change it. Now, perhaps the staff artist can still draw it so that if the original artist doesn't meet the deadline the staff changes can go into effect anyways. Just a thought to be considerate to the artists that have put a lot of time into items that they hoped people on site would enjoy.

I understand the whole legal reasons behind why customs need to be more strict and why staff can put out items that are fan based and it's okay- but at the same time, I think it's a double standard. If legal was okay with you putting out an item officially on the site by staff artists who were paid for the item with real cash- then putting an item on site that is then owned by subeta once it's accepted should fall under the same standard and rules. By saying you own the item once it is put on site- you are stating that the same official legal reasons apply to custom wears as official staff wears. It's just a double standard that is confusing and I don't think it's right.

I don't care if there are rules about copyrighted material- it makes sense to be more strict about things so that exact copies of things aren't uploaded when it comes to trademarked/copyrighted things (cars, cubes, characters, ect.) and I think it's good to be doing this, but in the end, I still think the original artist should be given the chance to redo the art themselves, otherwise it's just a slap in the face.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Cat
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Kinda makes me wish I'd been more agressive getting one of the questionable items, I'd love to have a custom redraw. If I'm reading it right, these users will end up with unique items, no? Anyway, glad it's being addressed. I can stop pining over the the Forest Companion.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by HadRice
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well you can't copyright a hairstyle or anything :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Mythic
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I bought Snitch, I just hope it's not changed to much.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by raichu_466
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I wonder what will happen to things like fandom wigs? Do we need to make 4 changes too?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Calypso_274
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I agree with MapleRose. I seriously doubt Subeta has approval from the photographer of that image or Nicole Richie's management.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Peeps
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I think the original artist should at least have the option to make the changes themselves. They paid for it, you guys approved it, and I'd imagine there's a huge sense of pride that goes with seeing your own work on here. Letting them give the artist a "special request" before they redraw isn't enough imo.

I do think the change in policy was needed though.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Literature
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strokes my precious snitch I completely understand the new rules and am glad to see them implemented in this way, but I am truly worried for my snitch. ❤️

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by MapleRose
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I think from reading the rules on the Custom Clothing page, "tribute" items are okay as long as there are at least 4 changes to it?

Still, it makes me wonder about the Subeta-made items that are tributes. One example I think think of (even though it's not a wearable) is

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Jindra
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Some of the Subeta wearables, like wigs, I don't think fall under the same copy right issues. Typically no one would bother to trademark a hair style but something like the companion cube you would need permission to use because it is a trademarked product.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Quiet_748
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I really like that the rules are being updated, I know there have been a lot of issues with fandom items and I'm really glad to see them being resolved. Though I think its a little unfair that a Subeta artist will have to re-draw a fandom item instead of the original user/artist who created it. If the original user/artist was able to make it in the first place, there isn't a reason that they won't be able to re-draw it again. Just my two cents though.

Rather than that, I'm super glad to see these new rules ^_^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Wonder_461
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Oh gosh, my poor Snitch! :c Here's to hoping it's not changed beyond all recognition.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Surprise
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Oh I hadn't thought of that That idea makes me a little annoyed. I just paid a lot of SP for two of the wearables within the last week. :(

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by wizardry
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What about items like ? It was created as a tribute to Ghost from ASOIAF but it's basically just an albino wolf, GRRM didn't copyright those...

Just curious, really.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by RaeRaeV
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Thank you guys so much for trying as hard as you do to make everything about this site flow and work. I'm glad this issue is taken seriously. But, I do have to wonder what this means for "knock-off" and "parody" items, as others have asked. Does this mean that old items like Gleeyore, Daybreak, Glowing Wands, The One Ring, etc will be changed or deleted if CWs that are similar but not the same as their inspirations aren't allowed? I mean I understand an exact replica or one with TOO many similarities being not allowed. But will we be able to make items that are just parodies, or whatever, that are similar enough to know what you're referencing to but aren't identical? I hope this doesn't come across as snippy or unhappy, lol 8'D . I just want to be sure I understand .__.'

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by JESSYTA
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Keith has said on the forums that the rules for custom items and the rules for official subeta items are not the same:

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There are a few things that I can say for this. We (as in the staff) have lawyers on retainer that we always consult when we have situations arise like that. We always make the appropriate number of changes, and have consulted with the legal departments of other companies in the past to verify that we are able to do what we are doing. Also, custom items does not equal official site items. We&;re allowing users to make their own items but with far stricter boundries than the ones imposed on official staff artists, because of the above reason, and other reasons. Of course if you don&;t want to operate inside of those boundries, you can hope/wait/suggest an official version of the item you&;re hoping for, or just not use the new system.

So I wouldn't expect official Subeta items to be changed because of this...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Corgi
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I'm echoing 's question here. If these standards are put in place, I'd like to see the existing copycat items onsite get this applied to them as well. Consistency is important.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by LizzyBoots
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What about items that are like, wigs of an actor? Is that alright? Like not even something recognizable as a character, but the Benedict Cumberbatch wig, or I think there might be a Karen Gillian one, etc?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Thunderbird
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I'm also glad to see Subeta take copyright issues seriously, especially concerning the upcoming vote on the SOPA act. Seeing as how Lionsgate (Hunger Games) and J.K. Rowling (Harry Potter) have been cracking down lately on issues of "intellectual copyright violations", it is better to do this sooner rather than later.

Some Subeta users won't like it, seeing as how many fandoms, especially Naruto and Harry Potter, among others including HTTYD and Disney (among others I've seen on the CW forum), are very popular, but I have to agree with this rule. As Subeta gets more popular, it's only a matter of time before the actual copyright owner (or their lawyer) would send a "cease and desist" letter.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by gemajgall
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Will this also apply to Subeta-made fan-based items? Such as a lot of the Epicon wearables. Will they also be altered in some way to fit these new standards?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Slytherin
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I really, really hope the snitch isnt too drastically changed. D: I tried to change it as much as possible in the beginning; changing the wing style, wing color, and the design on the ball itself. Not really sure what else I could have done, but its not an exact copy. anxiously waits

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Carpathia
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I still don't follow this 100% I'm sorry, I guess I need things clarified. Are parody items something we can do period or do items have to be 100% all original? For example, I'm hoping to commission a wig like Cress's hair from Pokemon Black & White. Could I have it look similar or close to his hair or would it have to be different? And could the description and name be a reference to the fact that he's a water trainer? If I decided I wanted it to be called "Blue Watery Locks" and the description would be something like "Wow, this hair is really flowing!" could that be allowed?

I'm just a little confused about wigs and things especially since we have Subeta made parody items like which is exactly, or almost exactly, Katara's hair from Avatar the Last Airbender, and it has a AtLA quote reference in the description.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Jenna
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:c

i just got the snitch as a luminaire gift and i know it'll be changed lol

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Kel
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Yes, finally! No more wonder about things going wrong now - not all the time :)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Karissa
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I was thinking the same thing said?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Wolf_Spirit
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HUGE QUESTION - Would I be able to commission someone to create knock-off fandom items similar to the Plinkachu and other knock-off fandom items that are here on this site???

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Tetsune
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Man, this just means we need to think through more when we make our wearables. Not TOO much of a big deal, but when you run a shop with a LOT of Fandom Wearables like me a Brit are doing, it's going to be some hard work. ;; I don't want it to look too far off!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Draken
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my big question is this..what if the item(s) are just based on copyrighted material, meaning not an exact rendition, but similar

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