Since the site seems to be steering away from floaters in general and a few of the floater/events seem rather out of place here, also with some of them being a bit limited to quests (like new years tokens)

1. This idea was suggested in the shoutbox, but aside from just questing for new years tokens and getting rid of the RE option. This suggestion is similar to current systems in place. Like Kissing, Dancing etc. A person "Toasts" a user for instance Toast=Lethargic would award New Years token(s). A time limit, I think 5-10 minutes in between toasts should be used.

2. Vesnali, instead of the flower being randomly found around the site, a user suggested that instead the gardens of subeta be used. A special link would be used and a user would click this link within the garden infrastructure and would randomly receive a random flower. This would be more fitting to the event and idea of spring, as a user would have to "garden" for the flower. Also in addition, the garden can be used and "special seed floaters" found "drifting in the wind". Which the garden would have a special spot during vesnali with 5 plots. Each plot would take 30 minutes to grow a seed, and each seed would give 3-5 flowers. User can have up to 10 plots, Plots 6-10 would require sP to purchase. Say 60K, 70k, 80k, 90k, 100k.

Just some simple idea to events to get rid of the majority of the floaters on the site since it seems as if the site is shying away from this system for the majority of the events. Any suggestion tweaks to these ideas, or have your own suggestions?

1. Personally I love the New Year Tokens being given out through quests. Its a system that does a good job of getting the tokens out, without going overboard - like there's a maximum possible because quests are limited. It doesn't count on other users doing stuff for you (like giving you kisses, etc.). There is no time limit per se, I really, really hate either setting a timer or sitting around and clicking a button every 3 or 5 or 10 minutes, I just want to get it done. I love that not all events are the same - the kiss user, dance with user, etc.

2. As for vesnali. I do like the floater system. I would definitely love a garden option in addition to the floaters though - especially if we could specifically plant seeds that would give us bouquet flowers.

The reason why I came of wih these ideas is based around the idea of floaters being t aken away by staff in general for more unique ideas systems. Like kissing, dancing,etc.

Yes I actually agree with the Quest system for the tokens, but I personally felt the other method of how they were obtainable was way to rare with out rare random events are, to which additional tokens could be awarded through random events. I think the toast suggestion was a way to do so without using random events but still make it limited as to make quests the main source. So possibly, maybe this random events in question could be tweaked to come out a bit more often?

2. Yea I personally would like more ways to get flowers like the bouquets myself or at least an option to get more flowers that just from floaters. In this instance floaters would be the "seeds required to plant. Which it would fit a flower/spring the with seeds seen as floating in the wind. Maybe certain seeds could have a higher propensity to give out rare flowers, for certain bouquet combinations?

I would love another way to receive New year tokens. As a fairly new player it is the currency I have the least amount of because you can only quest a certain amount. As it stands I still need over 100 items from the New year shop even though I quested everyday during the events for the 3 years I have been on the site. It would really help the newer players if there was another option and toasting would be perfect for the theme.

I honestly love floating items though so I would really be sad if that was taken away for Vesnali.

??? Do we know that floaters are being taken away? I think the OP is presuming something not in evidence. Now me, I am guessing that the reason Snow Fairies weren't floating this year was because of some idea of having floating and RE and quest dropping things happening all at the same time for Lumiside would result in there not being enough of one thing or another, people complaining that one method was giving them too much of some-item that they particularly didn't want, and it crashing the site like it has in the past when multiple mechanisms were all in play.

If TPTB are removing floaters, then I object to their removal and ask that they be brought back, because I like the floaters. The floaters started out during Easter and they were an Easter Egg Hunt/Where's Waldo game and I still play them that way: I do not use the CSS because it is more fun to me to hunt for them floating than have them sought and presented to me.

Relying on one page or just a few pages of garden to be the source of a currency is going to result in the page and the site crashing from heavy use. This is a bad idea. Going to different pages allows the servers to lightly go to lots of different pages, and allows users to show off their userpages in a way that other holidays and normal playing of the site doesn't do, and it gives us a reason to take time out of our day to enjoy the art and coding of those pages. There are some really nice userpages out there all as-nice or nicer-than the garden pages.

NYT are deliberately distributed differently than other currencies, and Vesnali Tokens the same. I enjoy their current shema of distribution. Making all the holidays regularized will bore users and will result in much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Samey-samey of holidays used to be a common complaint here. In particualr the original distribution method of all holiday items for all holidays used to be a restocking competition like Usuki Day prizes in the inferior virtual pets game of Neopets.

Subeta has a toy economy attached to it and if any user doesn't wanna aquire any particular currency by the method given (I personally do not kiss zombies and the game forces you to accept them iiiIIICK) you can buy them from other users.

I made that assumption based on the fact Amber hates them with a passion, I believe stated they're trying to remove them in general and also past events relied on floaters and for the most part anything added event wise has geared towards removing floaters in general.

New years shop items, use to come from floaters, anniversary items are shying away from floaters. They only floating items that we do have are bug,s birds, rreign and flowers and going by the track record I can assume that will be the case of these eventually being removed or changed in some shape or fashion.

I'm coming up with ideas to change the inevitable, because if staff don't have ideas for these. They'll have to change them with not input from users and face flack.

Rather than that occuring, I am being preemptive and giving a boards for these ideas.

Sure one page, will have heavy use, but then again. theres the kissing statue and other areas of events that require one page. These will cause initial lag but with the suggestions I gave. Like the garden, 30 minutes for a planted seed is going to cause lag for 30 minutes times the number of suggested plants made my staff. If this idea is ever used in any shape or form.

Where as floating items, is always going to generate the same amount of lag, because of constant page refreshes. Floaters, in part cause much of the server lag in the past because there was a time where they're were not unique id codes to them and could be refreshed with an auto refresher and even now. Rely on people constantly refreshing pages and if on certain pages cause huge amounts of pagination to the server.

While I like floating items, here's some misc places that could give out event currency/items that would normally float. I do not know how easy or feasable these suggestions are but I figured I would throw them out there.

-Add them to the payouts of the games of the delphi carnaval (so when normaly your prize is '3 carnaval tickets' it is '3 carnaval tickets and a flower' during vesnali or something) -Add them to the item pool of the rift (items that floated around years ago but have not for a while would fit there well) -Add them to the item pools of all vending machines (but make them reasonably rare) -Give them out with payouts from the job agency as holiday bonus. -Survival flowers specifically. Make kiss the survivor memorial a daily thing and add a small chance for the user to recieve a free memorial flower (as kissing the memorial does nothing currently but give you a achievement anyways). -Give an item by random event that works like a Subeautique Invitation (as in it gives you acces to a store to buy a single item with sp) only this one is for a specific (new) holiday shop.

All of these would of course only be in effect whilst the event is running.

I personally love the floating items, and would be upset if they went. I love that I can earn the holiday items as I'm doing things around the site. TBH, I don't like the way the new years tokens are being distributed. Quests are limited, they give you only one token sometimes upon completion, then once you've done all the quests, that's it. I can't continue to earn more through an action like kissing/dancing/TOTing. I can't grab more as I'm surfing around the site. The REs really don't count as rare as they are. I got a grand total of 3 yesterday, over several hours.

I was so excited for new years, as it was the holiday I haven't been here for in I don't know how long, and having so many items from the NY shop that I've been wanting, I was ready to spend time snagging as many tokens as I could. I thought they would be floaters, and was so disappointed to find out otherwise. Even with a GA and the extra quests it gives, I'm not making very many per day, the quest givers are not at all generous with those tokens. Given the large number of items in the NY store, those who don't already have a good bank of NY tokens are at a real disadvantage. With other holidays, that just means you have to spend more time and be more diligent earning the currency to make enough to buy what you're missing, which is fine. But with new years tokens, we don't have that option. This is the first holiday on Subeta that I feel so limited by. I had fun earning currencies and items during the other holidays, this one is a let down to be totally honest.

I hate doing quests, aside BQs and GY. I don't get New Year tokens from BQs. I wish BQs did drop them. I prefer floaters, and I have custom CSS that puts it in the top corner to easily click it. I don't want these to disappear just because someone on staff hates them. Options are always important, provide them.

Here's the thing, older users will always have an 'advantage' but it is not like you can only get enough currency in one year to just buy the new items. Hell I managed to buy all of this years wearables and then some with the first day of quests. Honestly I think doing quests is by far the most equal event-currency gaining activity on site. With many other events how popular, ritch, creative or quick you are has a lot of impact on how quick you gain currency, with doing quests everyone has to make the same effort to gain a random ammount of currency.

Additional arguments for the quest format despite my own dislike for doing quests:

-Variety in event activities is a good way to keep users from getting bored by events. -Quests bug out relatively little and require little upkeep and attention from the admins to keep running (Probably?). -Questing only takes a little time of your day as opposed to lurking the site all day which is a good thing IMO, especially in the holiday season.

Maybe I've been particularly lucky, but yesterday I did 155 quests and got around 90 tokens. So far today, I've done just over 100 quests and got around 65 tokens. I don't know what the average is for others, but seems pretty generous to me.

The REs are rare, I only got a few that way too.

The event goes on for more than 2 weeks. At that rate there's plenty of opportunity to get extra tokens.

[edit] Also, keeping down the number of tokens a person can get makes them also keep the shop items cheap. It costs way less New Year Tokens to buy out the shop, than it does for other currencies like steamworks, or vesnali coins. Compare the prices!

I wouldn't be surprised if they actually were trying to get rid of floating items, or at least use them less often. Apaprently the reason bird watching was skippsed this year was because it would apparently interfere with Vesnali too much? I complained a lot about that, abot why they couldn't have had bird watching start before Vesnali since the holiday is later in the year than it used to be, I didn't quite understand the staff's logic that no, it had to be at the same time as Vesnali, or not at all.

Anyway, the Snow Fairies thing was a problem because they only went out through forums and not everyone uses them, or uses them often enough to get lots of them, I don't think we even had random events like we did in 2018, and people need loads of Snow Fairies for the achievement to release 1000 of them. Maybe they could have been given out as quest rewards, or Melody could have given out a few.

The flower idea seems like a good way to make use of that garden area in the Centropolis Lower West Side, and last year we had Cinthia giving out flowers from her quests as well. As for pumpkins and Red Rreign items, I'm not sure what alternative ways those could be given out. The flowers could also temporarily restock at Seedlings like the Survival flowers do.

This is only if they want to completely get rid of floating items (aside from the bird and bug games), though.