I know this isn't a 'plot', but it's still interesting to talk about! Yes, the Subetapedia has updated!

That's interesting. It's not the first time on this site but it's exceedingly rare. Why would Anne ask where her father was? Does she think he could still be alive, or is she wondering where the remains are? Is Gunter really telling the truth? Did he sell alcohol with human remains in it, like that old urban legend that started around the late 1800's, when Adolph Luetgert killed his wife. He was known as the 'Sausage King' of Chicago in the 1890's. You can read about it here, but I'd like to know why no one seems to be talking about this happenstance on Subeta.

I definitely see the parallel. Is there evidence still around, I wonder? He was tossed into a 'mash tun' which is a type of equipment that mashes things up, so he could have been crushed to death. Grisly thought, BUT... many mash tuns have false bottoms or mesh screens so that they can also be used for the sparging process (separating sugars from the grains) but the only exit is a spigot. I mean there is no way any part of him made it out of there alive, let alone any recognizable body part. Plus during this process the equipment is insulated so it can retain heat, and the lowest heat is usually 45 C, and the highest is 73 C or thereabouts.

[edit] According to the Subetapedia, it is confirmed that Bubbles is Anne's father, though he doesn't remember her. Who or what resurrected him? How did any recognizable part of him survive to bear such an easily identifiable visage? Why did he become 'Bubbles'? [/edit]

Oh no.

Well, we know that Bubbles is Anne's father....and according to the Subetapedia, he doesn't remember her or Gunter...so maybe something will come of this

Ah, so it's confirmed? Then who resurrected 'Bubbles'?

That..we don't know...I hope we learn about that. Maybe Gunter dumped his body somewhere and someone found him?

Entry directly from Subetapedia:

Bubbles Shopkeeper of Lost Skeleton

Loves a good pun
Brother to Gunter and father of Anne, although he does not remember either of them
Has taken to caring for the rats that hang around his place. He's named them all and is the only one who can tell them all apart
His apron was given to him by Rachelle, as a way of welcoming him to the Underground. He loves it and has worn it every day since

But he was tossed into a 'mash tun' which is a type of equipment that mashes things up, so he could have been crushed to death. Grisly thought, BUT... many mash tuns have false bottoms or mesh screens so that they can also be used for the sparging process (separating sugars from the grains) but the only exit is a spigot. I mean there is no way any part of him made it out of there alive, let alone any recognizable body part. Plus during this process the equipment is insulated so it can retain heat, and the lowest heat is usually 45 C, and the highest is 73 C or thereabouts.

For what purpose would they make his new form resemble his old one?

Yes, I noted that in the first post.

Bubbles drowned, so there probably wasn't much for remains to be included in the beer/it probably wouldn't affect him becoming a zombie [1] [2]

But we haven't found out (yet) how he came to be a zombie, if he lost his arm pre- or post-mortem, or how he (dead or undead) got out of the mash tun.

I'm also curious why Anne would ask where her father is. She'd have no reason to assume he still existed somewhere unless every dead person in Subeta becomes a zombie, which I'm pretty sure is canonically untrue given we had a plot to reverse a previous murder that did not include zombies. I'm also curious why Gunter no longer has an accent :/ I'm really disappointed that staff seem to be doing away with them as a whole

I edited my first post to include my reason for asking why any recognizable body part or any part that wasn't liquefied could have gotten through since he looks like his former self, or for what purpose was he resurrected to look so?

I don't think he was liquefied at all. He canonically died by drowning in cold water inside the machine, not while the machine was turned on. So I'm guessing, he or his body was removed from the machine (depending on when and how exactly he became a zombie) more or less intact (he's missing an arm and it's unknown when that happened, and he's got other visible injuries). I'd buy that maybe the scars came from the mash tun blades while he was fighting to get out though

I agree with , Bubbles drowned in the water, as he was not able to get out, the machine was not turned on. Let's have a look at Mr Bubbles..

I mean, maybe his skin colour has to do with his drowning? Maybe he lost his arm when Gunter pulled the body out? I hope we find these things out

But in the Eerie Mash Tun news post, he says 'don't let the water in.' Obviously Gunter did, and letting in the water is part of the process in mashing. I'm trying to be a little more realistic, but it's hard to do without knowing the size of the equipment we're dealing with. I'd say it was a small brewery, and since the money wasn't rolling in, I don't think they had the best (or bigger) equipment. Probably not even doing any upkeep on them.

So the mash tun can be very large, enough for a grown man to stand in. The water doesn't rise all the way up to fill the entirety of the container, since the stirrers (blades) still need to work. I'm thinking that Bubbles could have tread the cooler water for a long time, or hung on to the stirrers. If that were the case, it would have taken a very long time for Bubbles to get tired and then drown, and Gunter made it sound like it was over within minutes, maybe 5-20? More? But not long enough for someone to drown (unless it was a child of course).

Gunter also said he waited until the noises stopped. I took that to mean that there was more than just Bubbles shouting at him since, in the Eerie Mash Tun page, it didn't take very long for Bubbles to drown after Gunter started pouring in the water, and starting the process. Combining starting the process (heating the water, stirring, etc.) with the water, Bubbles would have a hard time treading water and keeping his head above water.

True, maybe he didn't liquefy, as the machine could have jammed up at some point. But it seems that Bubbles started to drown when Gunter turned the machine on, preventing him from keeping his head above water. Also during this process, they reduce oxygen uptake as much as possible, so Bubbles also would have suffocated. Either way, I suppose.

It would make more sense for Bubbles to have little to no chance of survival if turning the machine on prevented him from surviving for a while, more water pouring in and heating up, the blades turning.... yeah you get them picture. Sorry if this is too graphic, I just really love to explore lore.

So I don't know much of anything about the brewing process, but I would assume it's possible along the way to let cold water into the tank, whether or not that's something you'd generally need or want to do while actually brewing beer (this is also implied in the Eerie Mash Tun post because Gunter insists, "I'm sure I put hot water in there," so cold water must be an option). Even so, the mash tun was already partially filled with cold water (to a high enough level for Bubbles to reach into the water to confirm it was cold before being pushed). Even if the new water being added was hot, I don't think it would have been scalding unless Bubbles were trapped somehow directly underneath the flow of the water.

I also took the "I shut the lid and turned away until the noises stopped" part to mean just the yelling/splashing/gurgling sounds, rather than the machine noises. I don't know what kind of damage could be done to an entire human (and Bubbles looks like a relatively big dude, at least build-wise even if he's not super tall or anything) before the machine might have jammed, but Bubbles didn't seem to remember any of that in his nightmare, just the water, and it's pretty much confirmed that he drowned ("Drowning Betrayal" battle challenger, the "I can't breathe" in the Eerie Mash Tun news post). My interpretation is just that the machine wasn't turned on at the time ¯(ツ)/¯

Sorry, it seems I made my thoughts unclear. I am not contesting the fact the Bubbles drowned at all. It's confirmed, after all. I only meant to explain my thoughts on how he got to his current state.

The water probably wasn't too cold (I live in Vermont and swim in rivers made of melted snow from the mountains, so it's pretty cold) so hypothermia probably wouldn't have been an issue. I only meant that Bubbles could have survived the ordeal if the machine wasn't turned on since Gunter would have had to wait a long time for Bubbles to get tired and drown. And by the time he was tired, there wouldn't have been much noise or splashing at that point. Some noise, yes, but very weak and swift.

My thought was that Gunter added more water into the mash tun because it seemed like they stopped the process of mashing to check the temperature of the water. Gunter could have, I suppose overfilled the machine, but in that case, wouldn't Bubbles have been able to easily reach the top and open it up with pressure from his body and the water? Gunter turned away so he wasn't holding the lid down.

That's why I thought that Gunter turned on the machine so Bubbles would not be able to tread water or try to force his way out so easily. The water would have poured in, the turbines stirring, preventing Bubbles from surviving at all. I assume he would have been dead at this point, so my hypothesis was that he had already been dead at the point the machines started to do damage to his body, possibly jamming and stopping from completely destroying the body.

But the biggest question I have is: how is his body alive today? His brain would have been dead, which makes sense as to why he wouldn't have memories, except the traumatic experience of his death, and the name and connection to the one who killed him.

What did Gunter do with the body afterwards? Or did he contact someone to take it away for a 'fee' (perhaps experimentation)? Or did a random person come in and steal the body?

Who would do that, and why? Could it have been something with the zombies, trying to build their population? But why?

Maybe tomorrow we'll find out more. Hopefully. My HA [I]does[/i] have a SAI badge after all lol ^_^;

I made this topic to talk about these sorts of theories. I'm an inquisitive and creative person. I don't know why this isn't the start of a plot, as it could be a great mystery once more, but I wouldn't mind writing a story revolving around this (and I'm sure others would write as well).

After all, we make up stories for our pets, our collections, our avatars, even role play here, on a site filled with tons of lore (stories).

Any thoughts? ^_^

Maybe Rachelle, the one who gave him his apron has something to do with how he is today...maybe she got his brain working again, but she couldn't do enough to make him keep his memories? Or maybe she made it so he couldn't/wouldn't remember

Also...on the topic of HA's having lores/backgrounds....mine has a whole story

But then it comes around to the question again: why make him look so recognizable as his former self? They have the technology! To make him look different, at least. But why him, specifically? Were the conditions right for him to be resurrected? I mean if you look at the 'zombies' in the cave, they all look like they may have drowned as well, if Bubbles' skin is anything to go by. Those zombies aren't the same as, say, Skitters or Ecks. They are literally falling apart--if you were around for the very first pandemic, or was it the second or third? Somewhere in the early years anyways, you could see Skitters slowly losing parts of himself (his jaw is what I vividly remember).

There's a lot to this that still needs explaining. How exactly did the pandemic start--was it a virus? I know the zombies have to bite you to infect you, so it's transmitted through saliva like rabies (ughhh bad memories there) if all they have to do is bite you, but where did the first zombies get it from? It was so long ago, and my memory isn't what it used to be due to my seizure medication (it gives me anterograde amnesia, so I have a hard time making memories in the present when I take them).

Anywhosits... could they be experimenting with life? How do they determine what makes a good subject? What are their theories, studies, hypotheses?

Oh yes, I was here for the first...back when it was people just getting random strains..then Ecks and Skitters came along the following year I believe. Skitters jaw always creeped me out...

But all those questions are good ones! I would like to know as well...this sort of thing would make a great plot...

I do remember the first pandemic very well...that was an amazing plot! I'd love to see it revisited!!

So...Gunter doesn't want to talk right now..lol

New update, check the SAI page

I believe that Gunter took him to Rachelle so she can save him (she also gave him the Apron) and she did, she brought him back to life, but he can't remember anything because he was brain dead.. he has this iron on his head, so she gave him electric boost, like Frankenstein story.. so Gunter didn't kill him but he still did something wrong and tore Anne from her father..