yo! so i was thinking right, wouldn't it be neat if we were able to remove spotlight wins from pets?

for instance, right now if you adopt a pet that won already you'd have to swap names with another pet to try and win with your own idea/character u __ u (and if you want to keep the id then i don't think there's any way around it at all)

idk i think it would make sense personally?? but let me know what you think!! o v o

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All of mine were my own wins, but I can see this being useful for adoptions! So I definitely support it.

I support this! It'll be super useful when you adopt a pet or want to revamp a character

I agree 110%! Always thought it was odd the wins came with them ahhah.

I would love this, full support.

Ok unpopular opinion time xD So there is actually a big problem with this and it is unfortunate. Under the current system, there is no permanent record of a pet spotlight win. For example, my pet Khan won EONS ago when he was a glacier tigrean (8 years I just checked). His profile (which is currently broken) is completely different and I am changing his story. Would I like him to win again? Yes. But the old profile that won is nowhere. So if I were to take that win off, I could use the same story and profile from last time and potentially win again...with the same content. And since the staff looking through nominations is not the same, it would be hard to know he already won.

You may say, well great for you then! But there currently over 200 hundred pets waiting to win and that is highly unfair of me to win with the same pet/content. And we have already had people try and win with the same content on DIFFERENT pets or pets that have glitched and lost their trophy, so I would rather not have to remember all the past winners from like 10+ years of entries. Yes, it does not happen often but it does happen.

So unless there is a way to store a "screenshot" or something of all past winners, I don't see this working. I mean I'd love to fix Karma because her overlay used to be traced art (that was fun finding out) and I'd like to win with her new art and a new story, but I can't. Same with Khan.

You also have to think about the tons of people who have moved names to new pets because they didn't own the pet when it won. They spent a lot of money doing that.

shrugs tl;dr I do like the idea but it is not a good idea under the current system.

It's a good idea in theory but it's so complicated. Destiny talked about that but other than the technical side I see how it could be nothing but a headache. I think if someone really wants to win with the same name, they'll have to suck it up buttercup and get the 750csc or whatever to swap the name. Especially since csc can be bought with sp, which is easy to get... it's just some extra effort.

So yeah. TLDR great in theory, but can run into way too many issues, and it's not hard to save up for a name swap.

What if instead of recording all the pets that were winners to keep track of spotlight wins (like destiny was saying they'd have to do with screenshots) the site only records the info of the pets that have had the trophies removed? much less to record.

i really support this idea tho.

I think it's a little more than just swapping names. There's some people that really like the ID# that their pet has, or maybe they have battle stats that they proudly display for the pet.

Which I get, but in that case it's gotta be a choice between what you care about more. I just feel like deleting spotlight wins would apply to such a minority that the trouble it causes isn't really worth it, especially since there are workarounds. I'm not a battler (tho my one pet has decent stats for fun) and I don't get the whole ID thing so maybe my opinion doesn't matter. But it's like you can't have EVERYTHING.

And I feel like if I finished a pet and they won spotlight I'd never wanna adopt them out... but that's me.

I like the idea, but makes a good point about the potential for people to win again with the same profile and story as before.

There needs to be something to discourage this. Make it costly to remove trophies, maybe? It could be a major sP sink, or charge 1,000 CSC (more?) for trophy removal. Anything that might make people think seriously before removing a trophy.

Would you really want to pay such a high price just to win spotlight again with the same ideas you won it with before? Maybe some would, but if they're willing to pay the price for it, more fool them. At least this might dissuade anyone who's not serious about removing trophies to win with new ideas.

Also make it so that pets with recently removed trophies are ineligible for spotlight nomination for a certain period. Say at least a month?

That wouldn’t actually address the issue Destiny brings up. By the time you remove the trophy, you could have already cleared the profile before we got the screenshot and we wouldn’t be able to know. I also like this idea but I don’t see any way for it to work, you had a good thought but sadly still flawed.

I have spotlight wins of my own but I actually own 2 or three pets that were adopted from others that were already spotlight wins. Would I like to win spotlight on those pets, yes but only because I wasn’t the one that originally won spotlight on those pets and thus, would like them to win with my own stories, profile instead. I haven’t actually switched any of my pet’s names though I’m aware you can just because it’s never been a big enough deal to me that some of my pets having already had a spotlight win from their original owners won’t have a spotlight win under me though.

I can actually see the use of a feature like this but there would have to be a way to prove that someone just doesn’t re-use the same idea and profile to win if it was implemented though. I don’t think that’s feasibly possible under the current system since both Bug and Destiny both stated info on spotlight wins isn’t saved for posterity on subeta though.

I had thought about this and while it could be useful there are already ways of "fixing" this, just swap the name onto another pet ID. There has been names that have won PS twice by using this method, Thief is the only I can think of right this very second.

paying to remove it isn't very different to paying to move the name onto a different ID that hasn't won and swapping ID is cheaper than 1k CSC.

I can totally understand why people would like this but with a system that currently has a work around I don't see a need for removing wins from existing PS winning pets.

What about Spotlight wins being removed when a pet is put up for adoption or transferred, like how custom overlays are removed? It likely won't be able to be retroactive so current pets with wins that were adopted with them would be stuck, but it may help in the future!

People can already win with the same profile/story/everything twice. Just name swap the pet and put the same profile up on the new ID... since as you said there is no record of the pet's last win beside a throphy on its old ID, This is already something that can be done and that can happen right now.

I also didnt know it was frowned upon to win twice with the same pet if major changes are made. I ID swapped Pollack, who won spotlight with his old ID in 2012, and after his full revamp (new profile/updated story), I plan on making him win spotlight again. Reading your post, I feel like this is something I cant/shouldnt do.

Honestly this is mostly for people who care about IDs or Battle Stats. For most other people, it's not really an issue because as you said, we can just name swap

I really like 's suggestions! I feel like this would solve a lot of problems in the future, and it would also be more fair in general(why should a user adopting a pet get a spotlight win for something they didnt create?)

I really like 's idea of spotlight wins disappearing when the pet is adopted out!

I still think this opens a can of worms. We had a person adopt out a pet and move the same content to a new name/id and try to win. But no, you are not supposed to win with the same content. If you change the story and profile, then that is new content, even if it is the same character.

Those adopting the spotlight winners and getting credit was a glitch in the past. You should not be getting credit (in terms of achievement) for that spotlight anymore.

Yeah, this is... a very shaky thing to address. I have multiple pets that I've since adopted or name-changed+revamped from their previous wins; I would absolutely love to have Hexer and Noire both get spotlight wins someday.

But there's definitely a potential issue with it being the same content. :/

that's what i thought too. like, you can still try to re-win with a profile that already won regardless. seeing a trophy on the page isn't going to stop anyone from taking code if they want, especially if it's a really old win. So in my head I was like, does it reaaaallly matter in that respect then? lol. (probably. but.) I guess maybe I don't understand how marking a profile that won, makes it harder to steal code from, by keeping the trophy? Can't people use css to remove the trophy to hide that it won. And there are a lot of really nice profiles that are good enuf to win that are simply not put into queue by their owners so I don't think using it as a theft deterrent is really a good fit for this particular concept. It's not connected to the css. so. really, it's all honor code anyway.

i will probably continue to make terrible suggestions as I think of them lol. i'm sorry. (ilu)

*Not a coder, if this is all bs, please be nice lol

From what I understand is that the trophy isn't connected to anything but the profile's aesthetic. (?) I didn't realize that it was legit used to determine if a profile has already been used. And from what I understand the trophy DOESN'T: tell the system if a particular css profile has already gone through the spotlight win queue or been changed after the win, changed hands, ect,. so to me that takes the value of it from 100 (used to determine plagiarism like Destiny said) to an, eh.. 4? that's why I changed the angle of this... debate.

To me the problem I'm hearing why we Don't want to remove them, is- that we don't want pet profiles re-used to win. I don't think the trophy is a good way to police that. because really, it doesn't.

So I'm basically changing the basis of the argument of WHY we have trophies (what they actually do and what we'd like them to do. (lol) )

If you take away the trophy idea/concept as a policing force (that doesn't actually police anything) from the hundreds of pet winners than you are left with an object that can be coded how you want. (right? maybe?) So if you take away the idea that they do anything, (other than say good job), and they don't HAVE to be used that way you have a nice, clean slate. So my thought was to make the code on the trophies only usable or active when they are removed. that's going to be a much smaller amount of pets and data doing stuff. and if it could be limited to only be removable once an id for csc to deter abuse.

If we want to talk about how to deter plagiarism and theft I honestly think that needs to be done some other way. I mean it's technically, coding-wise, not done this way anyway. So I think moving on from this idea would be a step in the right direction. Maybe there are better ways to solve that particular problem that would not affect the usability of the pet.

I hate talking this much lol. Don't hate me. I'm not trying to be difficult i just really want this to be a thing lol. <3 <3