The Bathhouse lady needs to pay for all the water expenses somehow so I was thinking about a nice sP sink. Let's say you forgot to go to the Bathhouse, what if you had the option to pay the water bill for all visits (as a punishment lol) you did to the Bathhouse and gain back your visits in a row count?

But not 1mil or 5mil, I'm talking about A LOT of sp, it can be even a scale of your visits, like the more days you visited the more you pay to re-gain it. It can be more than 100mil to get your 350 days in a row back..

So what do you think? is it even correct to do it? even though it's my suggestion I'm a bit in a doubt if it's going to hurt the game or not.. so I want to hear your opinions :)

I think there would have to be a limit, impossible to get back to your rank if it were beyond a certain point or it wouldn't really be fair to players on every day, But for players who aren't super hardcore and just want to get back like 25 or 50 levels this seems like a good idea.

I think that should also be included as an achievement with tiers, going by how much you have to pay and second achievement: how many times you visit to do it.

good idea! I always like achievements to work on :P

I think some kind of recovery system would be nice for the bathhouse. Even if it was just a percentage of your streak.

I recently lost a 360+ day streak, and it wasn't a matter of "I wasn't online each day" or a matter of "I forgot" it was a matter of clicking the news link from the 30th and it not actually taking me for a 'dip' like I assumed it did (my bad entirely obviously) and me not realizing because I haven't paid attention to rewards in over three hundred days.

It made me incredibly salty. I was literally here on Subeta ALL day and losing that streak feels like punishment when you've put x amount of time into the site each day. (I could understand if I only logged in to trigger it and logged right off but some days I'm on subeta 5+ hours) It was a huge "Better luck next year" and losing some of these streaks like this I'm sure must make other people feel the same way. I feel like maybe it's not even worth the effort to try and keep the streak again because it's literally going to take A YEAR to get back what I lost.

Being able to somewhat recover even 50% of that streak would have taken a lot of the sting away. Especially when the bathhouse is supposed to feel like a reward for being on the site. Instead it feels like a massive punishment if you miss the window just barely.

I'd also like to add that I play gw2 and there is a daily rewards system for logging in each day, and it's completely non-punishing if you miss a day. Or a week, or hell, if you don't even log in for two years (which a guild mate of mine did recently.) You just pick up where you left off before as Anet's way of saying "Thanks for coming back, we appreciate you being here." The Bathhouse is more of a "neener neener you missed a day! haha! start over you loser!" =/

(And yes, I'm 99% still salty when I think about it =P So take my post seriously but also with a grain of... salt.)

I like working on achievements, and more so when you get one you didnt expect.

I actually really like this idea. I'm terrible at going every day so when I do hit even a small streak it sucks to lose it. I mean, I can't even make it to the point where I'd probably be able to use this myself but I like the idea. (Can't even imagine how felt!)

To make sure it's not super easy to abuse (like oops i forgot day two let me pay 100k) I'd suggest having it only work once you reach a certain amount of visits. That way it also gives you more incentive to keep going so you know if you can make that number at least you'll have a chance of getting it back if you miss a day. Maybe something like 30 or 60 days out?

I like the achievements ideas as well.

Half sounds also good, I lost a streak of 326 days, so I understand you!

Yes! I think to complete at least 1-2 months is the minimum.

I really like this idea! I can see this being a good sP sink because a lot of people would likely use it to keep up their streaks! Also it would be interesting if there would be an achievement for how much of a total you spend on “water bills”

Do you mean achievements for missing on purpose and then paying to reinstate your streak? I don't really agree with that. I wouldn't mind having a way to buy your streak back, I guess, but why should there be achievements for messing up? The whole purpose of having achievements for long streaks is because you're not supposed to forget a day, I wouldn't really want to mess my streak up on purpose just to spend sP to buy it back for an achievement...

1. Achievements are very very important to many users and to lose the streak before the 300 day is really really bad, 300 days are A LOT, to wait another year is devastating... it may seem like just one click, but the Bathhouse streak is an investment..

2. Everyone wants the No Scrubs title :P

3. "I just don't see why someone would be 50mil+ on making their streak high again" - we have an achievement for deleting the Ether, it's burning 400mil for a book, you either sell it for 50% less or read it to your pet, so you lose money anyway.. so people would pay 50mil+ to get back the streak..

It's stressful BECAUSE of the achievements and because we never know when staff will add something to a feature. If there wasn't a reason to have that number, then I know I personally wouldn't give a crap. I doubt I'd even visit each day. The prizes don't mean anything to me at this point.

And I mean this in a loving way, but sometimes the achievements staff puts out can be cruel in a 'just out of reach' way. I know if a 1 year achievement was released when I was just DAYS away, I'd be seething at who ever added the achievement. It'd be such a 'kick me when I'm down' moment.

And that said, if the 'streaks don't mean much' as you've stated, then why do they reset in the first place? Why aren't they just counters for "You've visited the bathhouse this many days since it opened!" and maybe just having the bathhouse shop only let you purchase stuff when you've reached X days? (like new items being locked behind a 400 day wall before purchasing, for example?)

LOL so I'm glad to be among those 50 users xD

Ok but people are spending millions to finish their plushie collection for one achievement "have all the plushies" let's say.. I did it, it's crazy, I could spend it something else, but I did it, I spend sP, CSC, tore apart the Antique Shop.. but the moment I got the achievement I was the happiest person in the world.

I'm pretty sure many can relate, the moment when you see that your streak is 0 again, it's the worst feeling ever lol You are like breathing heavily, sweating and clueless and you are like I WENT YESTERDAY!!! And closing Subeta for a few hours because you are so pissed off.. So we can prevent this feeling with just one click and sP sinking..

Achievements is an investment that many would like to pay for it, so as long the streak is tied to achievements, people would pay to keep the streak..

I understand the day # = prize you get. I was quoting what you said in your previous post. You've said, there is supposedly no reason to get that number past 30 since it just resets the prizes.

Obviously there is some value in the count though, as seen here, and which is the reason for the suggestion though.

The thing is, I don't know if the Bathhouse is something that they would just keep adding continuous tiers to, because it seems like there would be no limit to how many you could have. I think the only other achievements that are like that were the Trivia ones (which are now retired), and the Longtime Member which actually makes sense to have because you get the loyalty boxes and everything.

But at some point you have to consider like new users and stuff as well. Are we going to have achievements for visiting the Bathhouse every day for like 2 or 3 years in a row with forum titles and stuff? So many people have messed up their streaks already, it doesn't really seem reasonable to have the achievements go that high when probably only a few people would ever get them, or everyone else would have to keep playing catch up.

You have visited the bathhouse 433 days in a row!

I haven't missed a single day yet, but I don't really feel the need to keep being rewarded for it. I like the achievements and titles that we have, and I'm going to keep it up for as long as I remember to. But the CSC and other currencies and things that we get are enough of a reward for visiting, really. And if there aren't going to be new tiers continuously added to the achievements, then there isn't much of a reason for people to pay to keep their streak once they have the 300 days achievement.

"We will be adding more tiers in the future for those with even longer streaks past 300 days!" this is from the news post. So your streak is 433 (IMPRESSIVE! :D) but tomorrow you miss it and in like 1 month they add 434 tier with a book/title/cool wearable, I'm pretty sure it will make you feel bad because you were so close to this tier, only one day..

I initially really didn't like this. Sure, it'll be a decent sink, but the entire point of the bathhouse is a running total of how many days you've been online in a row. There's a ton of sites of have similar features, and I can't think of one that allows you to bypass missing a day.

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Maybe make it cost bathhouse tokens? You could make it cost the amount of tokens that the streak accumulated during, so it scales with the level.

Ah, I forgot about that.

But still, I think 2 years or so would be a good limit for the achievement tiers. I know the point of the Bathhouse is to encourage people to come online every day, but I also think the point of having achievements is for them to be actually obtainable. I know we have a lot that are retired and stuff now, but most of the ones that are still available are possible to get if you work towards them.

IDK maybe I'm a weird one, but it can be kind of discouraging in games when there are a bunch of things you know you'll never get. So let's just say for example in 4 more years, will there be an achievement for 5 consecutive years visiting the Bathhouse? Will anyone still have a streak going? What if you're a new user who just joined and now you have to wait 5 years to be able to get whatever prize comes with the achievement? Or even if you're someone who messed their streak up in the first year, you'd probably still have to wait longer (assuming you didn't mess it up again).

I'm not against having a few more tiers being added, but I don't really think they should be added infinitely I guess.