wow this thread is old haha i dont agree with my old stance anymore, just that i think the dts pricing should be readjusted

with the new 5-item batching system made to replace the confusion with dts, the submission prices on all items have been cut into half. yay! c: easier and cheaper to submit items, and with controlled batches.

but where does that leave dts now? if you do a funky bit of math, the cost of dts is kind of...

take the most expensive category, 500-per-item, and its dts cost. if you submit dts for 1600, you get 1 item. now lets assume you buy 1 more copy from shop for your artist, and lets say ONE OTHER friend wants the item and you kindly gift it for free. congrats, you just paid a whopping 2600 csc for 3 items, compared to paying 2500 csc for 5 items via batching.

now lets take the cheapest category, 200-per-item, and its dts cost. if you submit dts for 1300, you get 1 item. if you submit 1 batch, it costs 1000 csc for 5 items???? its like buy 1, get 4 free, and we'll even give you some money back!!! ???

however, i definitely understand that submitting dts for 200 csc is a little too cheap for the admin in charge of approving, so its not possible to just lower the dts cost. so... should we just abolish it? :x

I feel like with the new system, you're right, financially it isn't normally viable to continue using DtS. However, I know of a few releasers who use DtS exclusively because they don't wish to deal with slotting / setting up trades. The argument against abolishing DtS would be that it's a low-maintenance (if costly) way of getting things on site without you really having to worry about any of it.

Also it avoids the spam pings you get when you pay for a batch all on your own LOL (I'm just kidding this isn't a real reason...)

I personally think it's silly to keep it as is with the addition of the 5-item batch AND user priced shops - it would literally take an extra click to get your five items into a shop. With a functioning CW search database, I'm pretty sure all advantages of DtS would be taken care of and it would become obsolete.

But like with anything, abolishing something will come with backlash and resistance to change so staff probably will wait until they're sure everything is in place before getting rid of it. :)

/huggles, you qtpie <3

Hi!!! Thank you for pinging me! I've never used the dts option, so I'm not interested in keeping it, since its prices are quite disadvantageous. I'm wondering if who generally uses it is still interested in dts-ing. =/

I submit a lot of things DTS for myself so it's still cheaper to get 1 copy for 1600 than to have to pay 2500 for 5 copies and have 4 extras that I don't need >3<

It's also still cheaper if I were to commission someone~ Through DTS, I'd pay 1600+500=2100 total! ^^

Oh also! I submit CWs DTS to just get them on site asap and avoid slotting, then I release them like months later when I have the time! There is a financial loss there but it's not enough to deter me from doing it xD

Thanks for the ping sweets! <3 hugs chu

Hmmm I think if the majority of people end up using the 5 item batch thingy then staff will likely phase it out themselves. Like if NO ONE is using the DTS anymore. Can't tell atm if that will happen since the new system is well... new :P

Personally I don't see the harm in having both options available just because you never know, might need it at some point. I'd like to have the option rather than have no choice I think. ^_^

Thank you for pinging meee~

I think this is a logical way of thinking if you're a releaser that doesn't often use the DTS system, or have a use for it.

Like said, she frequently uses the DTS system the way she does so she doesn't end up with 4 copies of an item that she doesn't need.

I do see the appeal of going DTS, even with the current batch system changes. In a sense it also allows for a "pre-approval" process at a cheaper price (for when you want to release CWs for certain events and such).

From a purely cost standpoint I can completely see where you're coming from. But for those who simply don't want to deal with slotting of any sort (and I am aware of several releasers that solely use the DTS system) I believe it's still a viable alternative to keep in place.

The DTS system is only doable for the ones who want to make privates only for themselves, like does. I think the option should exist in that cases, but other than that you're completely right: it became useless now.

Ahhh thank you for the ping bab I didn't want to add to your load of pings~ <3

Hmm.... my thoughts on the matter might not be very helpful since we have the 5-batch system now, I don't see myself using dts anymore because as you mentioned it's not exactly the most cost-effective way of doing things. So if staff were to say that dts will be abolished tomorrow I'd be like 'meh meh' at best.

I can see the appeal tho for people who'd like to submit custom wears unlimited to shop and just not have to deal with taking slots ever (even tho it's like just 5 slots to fill but yea to each their own) and yeah maybe some people just wanna submit items so niche they will only ever need 1-2 copies? In those cases I can see the benefit of keeping the dts system!

But since the 5-batch thing is still pretty new and still got it's problems to work out so I'd say maybe wait and see how things get on with this :o If it's a benefit to all involved then I feel that people will just naturally dts less and less and eventually become obsolete on its own. (On an unrelated note I totally am salty about dts cause of that stuff a couple of months ago about how dts things that have batches is scamming so we have to write disclaimers on everything we release and it's just making my slotting posts hella long but that is a another topic entirely~)

I haven't released anything recently but I feel the need to weigh in anyway lol

I personally hate dealing with batch spares. Even if it's like 1-2 items, if I don't need them then I don't want them on my account. Because if I couldn't fill those 1-2 slots then the items probably aren't going to sell in my shop either (and I mean, now that I can just price them and ignore them it's not as bad but I still am tempted to just like pawn 90% of my shop immediately just to get rid of the items you know).

Either way, I don't really think DTS should be removed just because it's not as useful, because there are those cases where someone would use it and I like having the option available just in case.

I, personally, won't be releasing stuff DTS anymore because it's not cost effective. Especially since all the stuff I DTS'ed have, like, five copies on site because they're niche. I think some people will still use it, so maybe it should stay

I would like to keep DTS because I own and produce private items (and tbh, I don't want spares? Well, not always) But otherwise, I don't have a need for it unless I plan to make it unlimited and for everyone.

I agree with Violin there cuz sometimes I just wanna push something through that I'm keeping exclusively for myself, and I don't wanna have 4 extra copies LOL

Errrr, I'd like to keep direct to shop. What I do want is for the submission to be cut to reflect the new pricing system. I was very surprised that a cut on costs for DTS wasn't rolled out with the new system. DTS was never as effective for cheaper items as it was for the bigger categories, and I imagine a price cut will still make DTS not as practical as submitting for 5 items. I'd like to see a percentage based system instead of the 1000 csc + item cost. I'm not into economics though, so I don't know what is most practical.

regardless, i like dts for certain situations and don't think it needs to be outright abolished.

thank uu for all the input! v im looking at this from a purely economic standpoint hehe, so dts is never the more financially better option. but i think the bulk of this thread seems to be leaning to a lower price of dts! which is actually my most preferred solution to this, but from what i recall in previous threads, is not financially feasable... T.T why though

I do not like this suggestion.

So what if people do or do not want to DTS or not? Subeta should not be in the business of preventing people from giving it cash any way they please. If the DTS thingy was like costing Subeta munniez then they could decide to disable it themselves, but up and until then it's none of our business really? You are not harmed.

TBH I'd rather pay extra to dts than be stuck with batch extras, especially if I'm only submitting an item for personal use/TC or for an unlimited 24 hr release etc!!!! Imo if people wanna pay a couple hundred csc extra, let them.

I also did this with one color of my base tone tights. It was 200csc more than covering the 3 missing slots (this was right before 5 item batches) but I was more than willing to pay not to be stuck with copies I have to put in trades!!!

I honestly am Okay with the DTS option! n-n

I don't see the point in taking this away just cause not many people will use it , what's the harm in keeping it?? I'd like to have the option in case I wanna release something just for myself.

I agree with your point honestly. I only used DTS when I couldn't fill batches and it was cheaper than submitting at full cost.

I had to use it for private items, but with the smaller items, I'd actually prefer to use the batching system to get my copies (I mean, I can delete them and it's still cheaper than submitting DTS for me).

I understand where folks who use it to submit their privates are coming from, but for the most part, it's still cheaper to do the single batch (and then it's also not ending up in your CW shop and cluttering that up) and just...delete the spares? It doesn't seem cost effective or useful to keep it there for the most part, and is just one more thing that has to keep track of (not sure if how things are submitted affects your job at all so I thought I'd give you a ping here, especially since you'd know better than us if DTS submissions have gone down/become not worth it to keep since the advent of the smaller batches, which I'm still so supremely grateful y'all worked out honestly).