I'm still a bit on the fence about this myself, so I'm interested to see how everyone else feels.

I am a bit of a hoarder. I enjoy acquiring things, currencies included. When I first came to Subeta, I told myself I was actually going to use the site currency this time, rather than amassing a pile of it and just sitting on it like I had on Neopets. However, the richest user ranking is a thing, and seeing that number go up every day just encouraged me to hoard more. It's a bit like the 'tumblarity' number in the early years of Tumblr; it's just a stupid number, and I shouldn't care, but I do. When they axed tumblarity, it was just a relief. I'm sure there are plenty of users who don't give a fig about where they rank on site, but I don't doubt for a second that I'm the only one who does. Removing the ranking will take nothing away from the site except for taking away a passive congratulations for not spending their sp.

Additionally, the richest user has close to 36 billion sp, which is an inordinate amount. The richest user achievement is now well out of reach, unless you want to participate in a high risk pooling of funds. After nearly eleven years, the distribution of wealth around the site isn't what it once was. Any element of competition here has basically been removed. On the other hand, I've climbed quite far up the rankings, and I'll admit that I'll be just a bit bitter if the ranking was removed and I'm left with no official acknowledgement of how high I got. It's petty and stupid and counter-productive to removing the whole thing anyway, but it's one of the things which keeps me hanging on.

I'm growing increasingly tired of being beholden to a stupid number which doesn't mean much. Help me to help myself.

i kind of agree, on the one hand if someone worked hard to get to that point it's impressive and i understand wanting that kind of recognition… on the other hand, having that as a goal encourages sP hoarding, which is the OPPOSITE of what staff want; they want to pump sP OUT of the economy, not reward users for sitting on billions upon billions of sP. then again, if the user is just saving that sP and not spending it, it's not really IN the economy anyway because it's not changing hands, it's just sitting uselessly in a bank. but it can also be really discouraging for there to be a goal that is pretty much unattainable. so… idk.

the richest user achievement isn't out of reach

And the ranking is just an indicator, that I, myself, like to see. I don't think you should obsess so much about it, you can just not look if it preoccupies you that much. Removing it won't make you richer or others poorer, you'll still be the Xth richest user.

This is more about your self-control and your ability to see past your hoarding OCD. It's like the pet rankings, you're not going to be first, but so what? Being 5000th or 1000th or 250th has its own value as well. You can set realistic goals for yourself and be proud when you reach them. There's always going to be better and worst people than you at something.

The ranking also helps knowing how much others have and gives a good status of the general economy and inflation. If you remove it, you'll never know anymore if 100 million is a lot, or if 1 billion is. Do 500 people have that much, or 5000 ? It may not seem like it matters, but it actually has a huge impact on people's vision of the notions of expensive and cheap.

People that hoard sP do it for a reason, and it's not the richest user ranking. It's the way they like to play Subeta : they like sP, and no matter how many sinks Subeta throws at them, they're still going to like sP more than other things, and hence keep hoarding. I don't know why people think sP sinks solve issues like it's magic. That's not how it works.

To be honest, I don't really care about the ranking because I am always so short on sP. Sometimes I end the day with 5m or so, but I find it ridiculous for people who wants to reach the 36 billion that they get to hoard and hoard and hoard their sP and save all the time. Most of the people who got the achievement just put all their billions together because yeah the number is incredibly high and even if you own a couple of billions, it is not enough for one person. Plus the number keeps growing so I assume it'd be never ending.

Why does everything have to revolve around one silly achievement ? When I pooled sP for the richest achievement last year (you can see by my achievement count that achievements are the least of my worries), it wasn't so much about that +1 to my achievement count that no one will ever notice anyway, but more about the challenge of it.

Subeta is mostly made of individual activities, you shine alone, you die alone. It's a great feat to be able to put X number of people that barely know each other together and synchronise them into achieving something together. That was the really fun part of it. Pooling for the richest user was a great human experience and for once, players got to team up and figure out how to do something together.

I'm baffled at how obsessed people can get about it though. Say I have 20 million, what does it actually say about me, or about my account ? What if I have 500 million ? Answer : it really says nothing at all. Actual cash you possess at one point in time means very little. Just go on with what you like about Subeta, whether it's the wardrobe, your collections, the coliseum or even, (oh!) collecting sP.

If you were a wardrobe collector, you sure as hell wouldn't like it if someone suggested that they remove the highest achievement tiers just because they think it's out of their reach. It's the same for collections, or for anything really. It's even absurd just to think about it.

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But for all intents and purposes, you can print this :

Make a poster out of it, stick it in your room and pleasure yourself to it. It's yours.

Well I am agreeing with that point as well actually. I don't really care about a single achievement/title and I know I'll never get it because of my spending habits but I don't care... It is an achievement like another. Actually they were talking about removing the hoarding achievements and I felt bad for my friend who's going for the 45k unique items. I was worried if she'd go through it before they'd remove it and that would have been kinda 'unfair'. That's her thing to hoard so removing her only goal on the site...well, I feel the pain.

You're just an agreeing machine, aren't you ? ;)

It wasn't so much about removing the 45K hoarding achievement but mostly about limiting how many items can be in a shop. There's actual evidence that over-hoarding in user shops can have a negative impact on Subeta's lag and servers, and it is also prone to get out of hand. There's also no "hoarder ranking" past the first 10 shops, so it's really two very different matters.

I am not obviously for or against removing the achievement because as I said I don't care about it. I was agreeing about what said on the 'hoarding = sP sink ennemy'. But no, I agree about the fact it is not fair to remove for the people who have the goal to hoard the sP. Everyone has their own goals on Subeta.

If the only way to achieve an achievement is to literally pool communal resources, in my mind, that defeats the purpose. Plus, what said about staff's attempts to discourage sP hoarding is a really good point.

I wouldn't mind seeing this achievement retired.

It does encourage hoarding and on a side note, I'm fairly OCD about having a specific amount in the richest user rank and I then don't spend sP that I could spend because I don't like my rank dropping.

It seems like the only ones who care whether it remains are the ones who have the achievement already.

I think this suggestion thread is mostly about removing the ranking, not the achievement itself. It impacts a lot more than just the CSC-hungry richest user and the handful of eccentric billionaires going for it.

So, what exactly is it about sP sinks? Y'all want them so much, but have you been buying from the Antique Shop and Millionaire Center ? I don't think the suggestion at hand would suddenly remind people that they really, really want to just lose all their sPs to things they don't need because "sP sinks will save the world". A sink doesn't work if its sole purpose is to be a sink. And that's what asking for sinks does : it creates useless sinks.

What you want to solve inflation isn't sP sinks, it's less sP being poured into the economy. sP naturally changes hands and it's a comforting illusion to think that you can make the richest users suddenly spend all their sP in a way that they would be deleted from the system in order to make sP worth more, and subsequently make yourself richer.

I really don't care about my rank, but I think it's cool to have a ranking...

[edit]Off-topic: Oh really, they're going to remove the hoarding achievements? '-' I saw a lot of discussion about item and sP hoarding these times, but I didn't think they'd retire achievements T_T

I just got my 1k different items hoarding today because I hate pricing my shop and I'm not GA for a long time so... yeah, that was a consequence. Maybe when I get 1,700 achievements and there's nothing more to do, I could really start hoarding. But that seems unlikely now, well...

It's so sad to see non-plot-related achievements being retired, like Esther's and Amy's Quests e_e Not cool, staff... Not cool!

I don't think they will. There was a bug a couple of weeks ago where you could not use the quick stop in your shop (not only galleries) up to 2500 unique items and in the end Keith said it was capped up to 7500 unique items in shops and there's no limit in the galleries so no worries. c:

lol at richest users. Come at me.

but srsly,

If it is just the achievement you are after, I am sure you could make a board or find enough people to pull together their funds for it.

SP is just another thing here that some people collect. You shouldn't let it frustrate you. You see people with all kinds of wearables, plushies, beanbags, or awesome battle pets. Those are just other things people collect. You should just see it that way and not let it frustrate you.

Good luck going for the achievement if that is what you are doing. :)

I kind of wish the rankings had never existed, I guess? I'm not sure I'd want to take it away now that it's a thing, but I personally find it an incredibly depressing feature because I want to save for it but I also enjoy doing things that cost sP, lol.

I don't support the original Suggestion. Originally I was gonna post just that but I kept on reading for some strange reason.

FWIW I don't have the Richest user Achievement, although you can see I've got lots of Achievements.

Folks borrow and trade items for Achievements all the time, like Subeautique sets where all it has to do is be in your Wardrobe once or loaning out their (plain, uncolored) Snow Fairy for the Inventory achievement. There's nothing wrong with coalitions pooling their sP.

Where is this ranking list?

There's no list as far as I know. You can see your own ranking on the User Dashboard