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I love to know the various statistics of the site, so I definitely don't support this.

Someone's OCD and someone else's lack of commitment isn't a very good reasoning either. It's entirely possible to make billions of sP without ever spending a dime IRL, and even easier if you have a few dollars to spare every few months. That being said, there's always going to be someone better than you (unless you're the absolute best, and only one person can be...)

Besides which the personal ranking is a great way of knowing the actual distribution of sP and subsequently the value of rare items, as some have already said. I check that page frequently as my sP fluctuates just to know how many people have how many hundreds of millions.

Removing rankings won't do anything of value for the site. If anything encourages sP hoarding, it's bank interest. I can't think of any other games (aside from Neopets) that actively reward players for keeping massive amounts of currency.

I'm raking in just over 100k a day just for logging in. It's kind of silly when you think about it, but it's way too late to get rid of it.

I would be very disappointed if the rankings went away. As others have brought up before it's a good general gauge of where the market is. If that was gone (or had never existed in the first place) it would be hard to tell your place in the market. Are you the lowly fry cook or Bill Gates of Subeta?

That said I do have the achievement and so this wouldn't directly affect me.

If you really want the achievement find some friends (or make new ones!) to pool sp. There are 87 people that have over 2.2bil, it shouldn't be hard to get a pool going. Plus they got rid of that max-sp-out-at-a-time limit so you can't accidentally delete it all.

You are the 11,166th richest user on Subeta.

Pffft. The ranking doesn't bother me because I know I'll never get there. I like buying stuff too much XD Honestly, I forget about the ranking unless I see someone with the "is the richest user" forum title. It's not an achievement that matters to me, but then I'm sure the balloon-related achievements don't matter to other people like they do to me ;)

Didn't Scarsdale or somebody say the Morty Cards were supposed to expire after a month... like months ago? And that the daily interest boost was supposed to go away after one day? In other words, it seems like someone on staff said they had fixed the problems with the interest boosts, but I'm still getting the boosts months later.

Yeah the boosts were supposedly fixed, but they weren't. The Morty Card counter on the Buffs page actually counts up instead of down, and the 24-hour boost still just doesn't expire as far as I know.

I don't think Morty Cards are even given out anymore? I thought they abandoned the whole project and just silently moved on.

Yup, that's me to a T. Lot of people assume this is some obsession with the achievement. It isn't; I know I'll never get it, not by my own devices or by pooling funds (I'd never risk it - one may have worked, but there was at least another attempt which collapsed, right?). I wouldn't even use the forum title if I had it. It's more seeing where I currently am now as an achievement in itself.

If it were up to me, the whole thing would go; ranking disappears, and the achievement is retired. It still changes nothing. If you made it to richest user, you still get the achievement marked as complete and you still keep your forum title. The site still acknowledges that you did it.

Sure, hoarders gonna hoard. There are probably some hoarders who care about as much as their ranking as those who spend all their sp as soon as they get it, but there are enough people who are quietly (or otherwise) affected by their ranking. It provides an extra incentive, and we don't need it.

I do agree that the ranking has a unifying effect. It's very helpful to know where you are in terms of the economy as a whole rather than drifting blindly through the site wondering is Xsp is a lot. It sort of ties us together as a community.

Comprommise: replace the specific rankings with a percentage point (using integers only). You still get a sense of the economy, and of being part of something, but it removes the brunt of the pressure which comes with individual rankings. Also, the top number comes much lower down the economic scale; if a user wants to get to the top 1% for funsies, then they only have to amass about 250 million sp (by current rates).

Is it possible to get rid of or replace that text with custom CSS and would that be a sufficient fix? It seems like this is just a personal issue for something that has an actual use on the site.

Hiding it from myself won't help. It'll still be there. This isn't an exclusively personal issue, though. I've been mulling this over for months, thinking about it from a site-wide perspective, and I honestly think that removing or altering the ranking will be a step towards improving the site's economy. It certainly won't make it worse. I only added my perspective for context.

...does it though? I don't know why it was implemented in the first place, but any effects the ranking might have on the site seem to be largely secondary. The ranking itself does nothing.

Nothing on this site has an actual use. You collect beanbags or sP or achievements or wearables. At the end of the day they don't actually do anything. But it's satisfying to set goals and achieve them. Or finally finish that collection that you've worked on for months. I don't see how richest user rank is any different.

Plus, you have this backwards. Removing a harmless feature wouldn't solve anything. People will be prone to hoarding for as long as we will allow them to have infinite amounts of sP.

Limiting how much sP one can have would be going back to the dark times of Subeta though, it's a less than liberal approach to say the least.

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison. You can actually interact with items on site, and collections act as a sink; you can achieve things with little to no lasting economic effect. Also, isn't it better for people to set goals on how much money they actually have/want/need, rather than aiming to reach an abstract and ever shifting rank for the sake of it?

This could go both ways. If it's so harmless, why not remove it anyway? It still acts as an incentive to hoard for some people, and it may be only a minor change, but it's one in the right direction. The fewer incentives, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant, the better. Who ever said anything about limiting sp? Have as much as you please, I just don't think it should be measured in a site-wide ranking.

What economic effect are you trying to achieve? Subeta has been creating so many sP sinks to remove sP from the economy. Therefore increasing the value of sP. If you have someone hoarding 36 billion sP that they have no intentions of spending, is that not just as good? Why is hoarding sP so bad?

The more sp in the system, the less value it has. Hoarded sp doesn't get sunk back. Moreover, the incentive to reach a certain rank results in more sp being generated in relation to the sp which is removed. It's not as much the retention, but the increasing creation of sp which is the issue. It's trying to manage that fine line between playing subeta to be fun but also somewhat worthwhile. Acquiring sp is a large part of the fun, but in essence, the more you produce, the less value it has.

I don't imagine for a second that the removal of the ranking will have an earth-shattering or even really noticeable effect on the economy, but it's better than nothing.

Removing a ranking isn't going to change the habits of people though, other then to annoy those users who actually use the number, people who like to know the general state of the economy and such. If that is removed we have no way to gauge that really.

Whether we keep it or not, people who hoard are still going to hoard. In practice, people who hoard massive piles and never spend or have any inclination to spend sp are just as effective as a sink really. If that number never leaves the account then it has no buying power. To be fair though that does make it harder to tell how much sp is currently actually in circulation.

In all I haven't seen a good argument to having the ranking erased other than some people not wanting to go below a certain number and other people upset they will never reach a certain number. If that's how they chose to play the game and it makes them unhappy maybe they should just stop looking at the rankings. It's not like it's in your face or anything and you have to look at it everyday.

I can understand where you are coming from. But you are overgeneralizing.

Also, If i have 5bil, and then 500bil gets removed from the system. Why would i not just wait it out and have my 5bil be worth 7bil? I know it's coming. Antique shop items wont get cheaper, but market items will.

If users do not wish to spend their sP, they will not do it. Even if you create 750 type of sP sinks and retire the "Richest User", it will not make a difference. You cannot force people to spend if they are not willing to do so. I have the goal to be a millionaire in real life. Will it happens? Who knows. I love seeing my sP and I love to set new goals. While I don't spend much, I still have a decent account. Some people like to hoard, some not. Some have other interest and everyone is different. If sP is not a concern, then the current ranking is not important to them. I fail to see the issue here. It's just a virtual number with virtual praise.

hahah i guess as a side note, that the picture was a joke. i dont actually have that much sp. :/