Maybe I'm just becoming a grumpy old Subetan fart, but I'm getting really annoying with some of the artists in the pricing forum. I cannot stand it when someone asks for price suggestions and then adds, "So I was thinking maybe like 1mill for a headshot thingy?" NO. I will NOT pay 1mill for that. You are on the pricing forum to hear what people would actually buy your art for. If you're only willing to sell it for a certain price, GET OUT OF THE PRICING FORUM. Or if nothing else, specifically ask: "Is this worth ___?"

Okay, I'm done.

now i personally don't venture into any of the forums where they consist of selling and or asking for prices. because prices on this site for art, frankly scare me DX

but i must agree they few times i did go into a thread where they where asking for prices, and they turned around and said "i was thinking 1 mil for it" does actually irk me, if you already had a price in mind why bother asking. your just wasting space. DX

so yes i do have to agree with you, that is very annoying.

if they've already got a price in mind, they aren't wanting pricing suggestions, they're wanting applause and confirmation of their artistic skillz

Imo the pricing forum is not only for requesting pricing assistance but for asking others their opinions on a price they already have in mind. Idk, maybe it's just me.

I do laugh when I see outrageously priced art though, lol. Like there have been some people who have charged upwards of 5m for a hastily drawn sketch copied onto a computer by photograph. Kind of ridiculous. I flat out just won't pay that much.

Seriously. Calm. Get some?

Is it not possible to simply say: Hm, personally I wouldn't pay x for x, I'd be willing to pay x.

When I post there, sometime I'll be like; in the past I got x but I'm not sure how pricing's changed; alternatively, 'someone has said approx. x sP, but I'm just here to clarify'.

I don't see the problem; maybe I misinterpreted.

Take a chill pill. If people were willing to pay 1mill for it, then let them price it at 1mill. Not everyone has the same tastes and you have to take into consideration the amount of time spent on ANYTHING, regardless of skill level. I think the wording of the question doesn't matter, because it's still a question and asking feedback on whether the price is right or not.

I'm not aggravated by the people who post a price they got in the past, or want to "clarify"--that's perfectly reasonable. Too often, however (as Summer said), the artist is simply looking for coos of adoration. I've been here a while. I have said and do say, "I think x is a little too much, maybe try a few 100k less and see if you get more interest?" I don't have an issue if they at least consider what I've posted (whether they act on it or not), I just hate it when the response is, "Kay, any other opinions?" These people already know what they want to sell their art for, and are only on the pricing forums because Subeta has no forum for "Praise and Encouragement."

On the time thing, while I agree that artists should be paid according to the amount of effort they put into a piece, this rule is generally applied because works with more time and effort tend to be better.

I used to suck all around. I still suck at any and all digital art. I will not ask for as much as more skilled artists, even if I spend twice as long working on a piece. People pay more for better things, including art. That's how the world works.

I know I come off pissy. Currently, I am, and will remain so until finals are over. Sorry D=

I'm iffy about selling my art on here, the general feedback I got for the amount someone was willing to buy a full-colored full body picture for is way below what I thought. I I know what you mean. I guess I'm just picky because I sell art for USD normally. If I ever open commissions here it'll probably only be for sketches.

People should ask around for prices, not be all "Lol I wanna sell this for this much! :D"

Sheela disapproves.

So. 'ACTUAL GOOD art' is relative. If you had a price in mind, why did you even create a topic?

Have a little arrogance, do we? ;p

What the hell is the problem with asking for other opinions? I know I like to hear multiple points of view when it comes to my art. Just because they ask for other opinions doesn't mean they're belittling you or anything, I don't see where you're getting that. You say you've been here a while, but somehow I don't think you quite grasp how the art market really works.

There is some art that costs way more than it should out there, but there are also a lot of artists who get almost nothing for their efforts. It's a difficult thing to price and on subeta fame=value a lot of the time.

When YOU don't want to pay it, don't do so? Maybe someone would pay so much. It's a question of taste and courtesy I think. Some are willing to pay a little more because they don't really care (or simply love the art) and some are not. It's ok either way.

And if they want to hear more than one or two suggestions, what's wrong with that?

If they want just adoration.. well, no one said you have to give that to them. Why don't you just ignore that? I mean, seriously.. there are bigger problems in the world and this is the internet after all. It's not really necessary to waste nerves here.

Now imagine that quote with a sarcastic undertone and you'll understand what it's all about.

The OP is saying that, after they put their two cents in, the person didn't approve of THEIR comment, and wanted to hear what they wanted to hear. And I mean, yeah, I get that multiple opinions are great. In fact, when I went there, I waited for more than one opinion.

But blowing off someone's opinion because you didn't like what you heard is being an ass. Plain and simple.

Apathetic, that's not necessarily always the case. an OP doesn't always ignore comments, and definitely not suggestions considering that's what they're there for. ASSUMING that the artist is ignoring them simply because they want their ego praised is what's wrong. Didn't your elders teach you that assuming usually makes you look like an ass in front of everyone else?

The OP came out very pissy and high-mighty because. to me, it just sounded like a case of whambulance where "omg what i said wasn't acted upon immediately! I MUST BITCH!" - and not only to me, but to others. As an artist, all that was said was very insulting.

If someone wants opinions, it's OPINION[B]S[/b]. Plural. Not simply one, especially if she's saying that she doesn't mind whether her opinion is acted upon. Just because she doesn't like the art, doesn't mean others wouldn't. Supply and demand. And just because the OP posted their comment, doesn't mean others can't, or the artist can't hear from others o: did you ever think about that? most people in pricing forums will not post their opinion unless encouraged to do so by the OP. I see nothing wrong in doing so.

I paid 3 mil for my forumset art. Was it overpriced? I don't know. I've never paid for a commission before, and the artist was very.. I don't know how to put it, but she let me decide the price. I think I paid her fairly though since I absolutely love her art.

I think it's nice when artists aren't very pushy with a price, cause like someone said on this thread already, (I forgot who), but what's good to someone might be shit to someone else.

oh, and I DID offer her more. I told her that if 3 mil wasn't enough and she felt like it was worth more to just tell me and not be shy about it. So I'm guessing 3 mil was fine. ^_^

Yup, I think the pricing forum doesn't help much at all... I find it better for new artists to just explore the art market and see what other people are pricing at or make an auction.

But like, I don't see anything wrong with that wording. I mean, it's like something to start discussion at. A calm response to that would just be like, "Hm, that seems a bit high" or "Oh, that seems reasonable."

Although if you think the person is just looking for praise, just lol at them and move on.

This is exactly what I meant. I'm not so high-and-mighty that I believe my opinion in the only one that matters. But that doesn't mean I have to like it when it's completely ignored because it's not what the artist wanted to hear.

I am an artist. Of course I want to be paid what I think is fair for my art. That doesn't mean anyone else would actually pay that much, and as an artist, I should be ready to accept that. That's why we have so many starving artists on the streets of New York--there's plenty of good art, people just aren't always willing to buy it.

If an artist allows me to pay "what I think is fair," I tend to pay several million more than I would have originally bought the piece for (if that makes sense). I love it when artists are that trusting of 'customers,' although I see why it can sometimes be a bad idea xD

[edit] On the subject of the art market workings, I won't say I know what goes on. A year ago, I could have written a book in the art forums. But I've been on hiatus a few times. Is the art market really so inflated that people will pay 1 mill for a sketchy, flat colored HA head?