I didn't see a thread about this so I'm making it, and just hoping that I'm not repeating something someone else has already posted about.

Having to accept dances during Masquerade is a hassle. It's not a huge one, but it's definitely one that feels deeply unnecessary. Kisses during Survival and flowers during Vesnali do not have to be accepted, they just happen; and this is much easier and more streamlined. Masquerade already has plenty of other hoops to jump through. You need to be wearing a mask. You don't go automatically to the dance floor so you need to click through for that too if you want to fight Boudewijn.

I don't think this is a huge deal or anything, but it's been my one major peeve about Masquerade since I started using Subeta, honestly.

As far as I'm aware, the only reason there's even a "deny" option in the first place is because there's an achievement attached to it. I don't care about getting most achievements, so I'd be perfectly happy to ditch the deny option and just have the dances go through automatically, but I'm probably in the minority on this one.

I just wait to stack a bunch of acceptances, hit accept on one, and then refresh until they're all gone and accepted, but I get it.

The idea of a masquerade is to go "may I have this dance?", but with other mandatory components, losing one wouldn't bother me unduly.

It's meant to make it more immersive as part of the event, but I can understand that it's annoying because it's more clicks and loading of pages, and also if you don't accept all the dances before the holiday ends, you're stuck until the following year. And I don't think everyone knows that dance invited even stack and that you can accept them by refreshing the page for accepting until you get the "You haven't been invited to dance" error.

I don't mind whether it goes or not, but if it does go, the achievement for being denied will have to be retired, and that would mean yet another forum title that people will be unable to get unless it gets repurposed (because forum titles for retired achievments and events still haven't been repurposed as prizes for other things as far as I know).

Frankly, I like the accept/reject. It gives some color to the event, a little bit that is different from all the other cookie cutter events. Its simple enough to let the dances accumulate and then just accept a bunch all at once. If you don't want to do that, stick to mystery dances, minimize your participation in regular dancing and don't post in the dance forum.

If they removed that aspect, it would make me a little sad. LOL wouldn't stop me from dancing or anything though!

There's achievements attached to both, so... if it's that tedious, just buy up the trinket bags.

for me it's the fact that, when you get invited to dance, you have to:

1. click the event to go to the page where you can accept or reject the dance
2. click "accept"
3. click the link to go to the dance floor (if you want a chance at dueling boudewijn)
4. do this for every dance invite

sure you can sit there refreshing accepted dances, but you still have to pause a second between them to open the dance floor in a new tab. plus i always forget whether it's dances you accept or dances others accept that have a chance for a duel*, so i just end up opening the dance floor for every dance event i get, and then i have to clear out all the events, and turn in my lounge trinkets, and my steamworks trinkets... so it does eventually start to feel like a lot.

buuuut i guess that's just kind of the nature of the event, and i'm not really sure which aspects of this could/should be streamlined.

[edit] *looks like it's both, so yeah, if you want duels (and the chance at their accompanying rewards/achievements if you don't already have them) then you do indeed have to click to go to the dance floor for every dance event you get.

I'm with Frenchi especially on this, I would not be sad to see this go, personally. so many extra pages and refreshes and having to click through on Every. Single. Dance. Floor. it gets tedious AF, and while it might've been kinda interesting the first time years ago when there was plot, I personally don't really see a need for it now.

also, the random dances go through automatically already, and it might give a little more leeway to the servers not making everyone have to go through an extra 2-3 page loads per dance? less stress on users AND less stress on servers = good, yes?

During Masq I keep the accept page open in a pinned tab and refresh it every so often. If the accept/deny options aren't changed it's a good workaround.

So long as we can still get the event box that links us to the dance floor for duels, I'd be ok with the accept/deny being removed.

I was wondering why this was even an option myself, I wouldn't miss it if they removed it but I can't say that I find it any more or less cumbersome then any other clicking on the site.

and for anyone who needs the dance denial achievement, maybe add in a tiny chance that you get turned down once in a while?

I was also thinking that it would be like the survival placement of kissing achievements and the current masq dancing style achievements so they already have a mechanism for doing these kind of random achievements.

IMHO, I support removing the accept/deny option.

Having a chance that it will automatically be denied sounds like a good compromise so the achievement doesn't have to be retired (it might need re-working though depending on how it's coded). There could even be tiers added for getting denied a certain number of times. Some people might complain about getting less trinkets, but I don't see a problem with that since we can get loads of them from Mystery Dances now.

I oddly like it. I'm not a HA person so this is one of the few times I see the different HAs from all over the site. It's fun seeing ones you know in the background and such.That said I'd deal if it goes away as long as the duel part is still incorporated somehow.

Better yet make an accept all option to click to accept all current requests. People who think it's tedious lose our on duels but don't have to click every request and people who like the more tedious have the chance to get the duel as a kind of bonus. If more tiers come out for achievements they could just ignore the accept all option until they get the new achievement/s.

I don't like this aspect either, especially coming off Vesnali which is by far the best and easiest means of earning the coin currency. Getting enough currency for Masquerade is already hard enough when there's no control over which trinket type you'll get (I have zero need for Lounge trinkets), and people can't be on all day to accept a dance request as they come in. If I send a request to dance, I want the immediate result. I guess the mystery dance aspect does cover this technically, but 15 minutes is a long wait.

Not sure it's really necessary on subeta, except for the achievements, but I mean, consent is a real important thing that exists in IRL dances. I remember a news story a while back where a school tried to make it mandatory for anyone to accept a dance from anyone who asked to avoid 'embarrassment' and it was a huge bad idea which in turn just like decimated participation in the school dances. Then they tried to circumvent the consent issue by allowing people to write a list of people who wouldn't be allowed to ask them to dance and that just totally backfired on the whole 'avoiding embarrassment' issue by making it 10x worse.

Is it tedious and probably unnecessary on subeta; yeah: do I want it removed; no.

Maybe there could be a setting somewhere for 'Auto-Accept' to just accept all dance requests if people so choose?

as for the consent thing @/kiaarra you automatically receive kisses during survival and no one's suggesting add a accept/deny page to those. actually you have even less 'consent' to kisses because you can't just remove your mask to opt out to them. also like, it's a pet game for 30-somethings to relax on I really don't see the argument for it being a violation of consent to not have to add 2 pages to the server load per dance. It's not real life and kids aren't meant to be learning Real Life Morals here

edit: I mean having to accept/decline every single individual kiss, not opting into the event in general

Thought just crossed my mind.

What if for the last day of Masq the accept/deny dance option was removed? That way people who may not be on last minute could still get their trinkets instead of waiting til next Masq to finally accept/deny a dance?