so, coming across the following in the rules; "Do Not Promote Illegal Activities Do not promote or encourage any illegal activity, including but not limited to, illegal drug use, hacking, cracking or distribution of counterfeit/pirated software or music."

soooo upon reading this, i think these items need to be changed or weeded out; + it's recolors. the overlay could simply be changed, as these also exist;

also the following; (plus it's white one, also, a cw?)

i get it, it doesn't explicitly say what herb it is, but it's heavily implied of the use, which is more than enough, imo.

weeded out

That drug use is legal in some states but not in others.

So can people in Colorado reference it, but I in Florida can't? thought emoji.

Also if we're going to be that minute, get rid of this too

Seems like the rule could use some clarification or updating instead.

No support lol. I love those items and they are legal where I live shrugs please don't change 'em xD

'Legality' is up in the air because in some countries (or in some states even), it's perfectly legal and nobody thinks twice about it. It's completely fine in Canada for example (and it's actually my job!). Even if you don't use it recreationally because it's not illegal in that capacity, it's still legal in many states as actual medicine that can be prescribed/regulated.

If it was a substance that is illegal pretty everywhere and everyone agrees is harmful, I think that would be a different story.

[edit] Just adding on, I think the rule in particular is more about user behaviour (like leading users to certain sites where stuff like that is available) and not so much about site lore, because there is a lot of site lore that would not be alright under this rule. We have murder, gangs, other items that imply to be stimulates/mind altering, etc.

That kind of stuff is all legal or legal-ish where I live, so I don't really see any problem with them. Even if someone lives in a place where it's illegal, should that take precedence over those who live elsewhere?

That rule might be important to clarify, since there's items on the site that make reference to things that are illegal in the real world (drugs, hacking/cyberterrorism/etc, murder, etc) but probably aren't going anywhere. 🤔

Yeah, good luck trying to be consistent with any item that references drug use. Drug law varies so wildly from state to state, much less country to country. I also don't personally see the existence of an item on-site as an innate encouragement to do drugs. It seems like a "wording of the rule" problem than a problem with the items imo.

Anyway--if the rule clarified that encouraging illegal activities on the forums and other social mediums was a no-go, that would probably suffice, since I think that was the original intention. Like, I wouldn't be able to personally and deliberately encourage another user to use illegal substances, but I could display those items on my HA.

Rules are for you and me, not staff. Not because the rules don't apply to them, but because rules for users need to be black and white so that the standards (and punishments) can be applied easily and fairly across the board.

Many rules are judgement calls and staff has the right to decide what follows the rules and what breaks them. That's part of their job.

Personally I don't believe any of those items "promotes" illegal activity. But like I said its a judgement call.

But none of those items promote anything that's illegal here...(in California and Nevada)

My feelings exactly. I think the rule could use some re-wording, because in some places it's against the law for a female to wear makeup....

just so your aware, hookahs are and can be used with tobacco and a few other things

This made me laugh. Thanks. 😂

aren't we in 2021? 😂 goodness....it's weed. absolutely no support.

I like these and think they're fun :) It's just a bit of weed, there are bigger problems...