Okay listen - I could maybe get behind the thinner lines (even though this has the potential to really mess with all of the old items and cws and how they fall onto the bases), but I can't really get behind the fact that not only did the lines get thinner - it looks like whoever did these edits just like...erased lines entirely that should be there (on our left, HA's right side of their torso). It's fuzzy and blurry and looks like lines have been completely removed. I understand if changes had to be made in order to make the limb removal work - but considering you were able to do it with white out without thinning the lines, I feel like this was an unnecessary change that clearly wasn't handled like it should've been.

On top of that, for some reason in the wardrobe view the HA's left hand (listed as the right arm/hand in the wardrobe since it's on our right I guess?) is now shifted behind the avatar. Which would be fine except people make items designed to cut out around the hand, so now there's a weird, finger shaped cutout when you put on bottoms. It might be okay on some things, but it's clearly cutting through the line of the hand. There was absolutely no reason for this change at all and I'd love if this could be undone.

base - base with tights - base with pants

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[edit] Adding some other very valid complaints:

Bases beyond base 6 are not working properly. For some it's base 7 & 8. For me it's bases 8, 10, and 24 that are broken images. All of the bases should work properly.

Turning off the "Left Foot" (which should be the HA's right foot, but shows on our left) doesn't turn that off, instead it removes a chunk of the ankle and then the entire torso and head (see image below).

I will add all of the broken/functionality issues to the new wardrobe feedback thread but like...this is a little wild.

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- some of y'all might also have an opinion on these changes, as it affects your ability to wear CWs that you've paid for without them looking funky af.

Why can't we just have both a base with thin lines and one with the old thick lines? Let there be options.

The arm being layered behind the HA's hip/ass only shows in the wardrobe. I don't know WHY it's like that but I did notice it, and I also noticed that the HA doesn't save with the thumb behind the HA like that.

I don't have much to say about the specifics of the lines except that I don't like that they're thinner. The body itself isn't all that affected once you add clothes, but I'm not a fan of the super-thin fingers and the HA's right boob looking especially out of place

I agree with Darkrai, the right boob on the new HA base should be sagging a little, like how the old one got it right? It's naked. Boobs don't just hold themselves up.

I'm thinking maybe the way it's showing up in wardrobe has to do with limbs being removable?

the male HA is looking specially weird with the vanishing torso lines x-x would love it if the thicker lines were an option too.

Ah see, I couldn't tell honestly and I swear it wasn't like this the other day or I'd have noticed haha.

I very much appreciate the practical demo that the hand is where it's supposed to be outside of the wardrobe. I still think it's definitely a funky error that needs to be fixed in the wardrobe though since it affects how things look when we're trying to make/design them haha.

Yeah, I can deal overall with thinner lineart, that's not a huge issue, but lord the missing lines on the torso are a problem. It looks like someone blurred the whole side in photoshop :(

yes - the thinner lines also make the face look even larger than usual xD not an issue if you use long hair that slims the face, but if you use short hair like i do a lot, it's v bad e-e

Also super agreeing. I was wondering why short hair wasn't working as well for me and it didn't occur to me that it's making the face seem so much wider.

The lineart on the HA's right/our left does look a little better if you remove the lower "left" arm. That fixes the thin spots in the waist area

The boob lineart still doesn't look quite right even if you remove the left shoulder. The lineart is a little thicker, but still blurry

lol glad to help ^_^ I agree completely that it still needs fixed in wardrobe, annoying. I did it to see for myself cuz I really don't know :P Seems the other side with the waist/boob issue is still there outside the wardrobe as well though. Also, just found out the hard way that the try on button for outfits doesn't actually put the clothes back on ya :/ oh well, guess it's time for a new outfit since that's faster than going back and forth between outfits and items to get the items I was wearing back on.

Oh man, I'm sorry the try on didn't work so you lost your outfit on it :( That's a sad discovery and probably an error (I hope??)

the finger thing was driving me nuts trying to make a ha

I'm glad it's not just me thinking the lines on the HA were thinner in this new wardrobe.

PLEASE put the right hand back in front of the avatar where it belongs.

Alternatively, you could allow the limb slider to toggle it in front or back according to our preferences? (TBH, if we could layer our limbs I would put the other hand in front too, to avoid the awkward and annoying "floating claws/floating nail polish" problem on the other side.)

I do not like the new pose. Who stands around with both of their hands behind their butt? With the avatar standing tilted slightly toward the viewer's left, it's awkward.

It's particularly awkward with the giant full skirts I love. People who actually wear historical clothing could tell you that putting your hands behind your back when you are wearing a hoopskirt, farthingale and/or bumroll is awkward and kind of uncomfortable. And in shorter skirts, like lolita skirts, can have the effect of tipping your crinoline/petticoat up so everyone in front of you can get the upskirt view that most of them weren't actually hoping for.

I have been adding the sheer gloves directly over the base for all of my character bases, but some of them have a lot of layers so it's a PITA, especially when I have to keep most avatars at 44 to save a layer for a mask, hypnomonocle, snowball shield or other seasonally necessary item.

EDIT: Fixing the dark bases so that all of them display normally needs to become a priority STAT.

I would imagine most people who never use a base higher than 5 are unaware of this, but because of a limb slider issue, any avatar made with the DFAB base 8 or the DMAB base 7 shows up as a broken image sitewide and will not display on the dance floor.

It's very annoying to me that even though we were reporting it in the Gold Accounts forum, the bases are still freaking broken and the new wardrobe was pushed to the general users before that was fixed. WTH, do brown avatars just not matter?

It's especially upsetting because I know if any of bases 2-4 were broken, the user outcry would've been such that it would've been fixed immediately, and it feels just a little bit racist that this has been so long ignored.

I will echo what a few people have mentioned here, especially the following: 1. Please put the left thumb back on its old position. Many, if not most wardrobe items on the held layer (especially custom wearables) were created with the old HA base's thumb position in mind. How are those going to be fixed? For those Custom Wearable Creators who are still on-site, I can try to fix the , which is my own artwork (even if I have lost my files in a hard-drive crash), but what about artists who have already moved on with the website? 2. Like mentioned, bases 7 and 8 (I have not tried other bases, but I almost exclusively use bases 6 and higher, as someone who is on the darker skinned IRL) show up as broken images on the new wardrobe. While they do display on-site, I am not sure how they display on the dance floor (but I take Val's word that they are broken images there, too.) This is upsetting because my OCs are this dark, and I am not going to make them lighter just to have a working avatar. 3. There are visible "cut lines" on the limbs of the darker bases. I cannot provide screenshots to personally confirm this as the bases do not load for me on the new wardrobe even after clearing my cache and cookies multiple times, but I'd appreciate them being more seamless...

In my case, bases 8 and 10 are glitched - they show up with a broken image on top and when I save the HA it doesn't show up on site, being it the dance floor or any other place than the new wardrobe.

I'm also annoyed by the weird cut around the female breasts area and the left thumb going behind the leg, but so far those are manageable with the skin colored glove and covering up the belly area.

Actually you could see the visible cut lines on all the bases not just the darker ones. I use base 3 and 9 (or sometime the colorful ones) and I could see it clearly on base 3.

I agree that the hand behind the butt is weird and really should be fixed. I'd like to see my avatar the way it's gonna display when I'm making it.

Yeah, It's a challenge to use darker bases (my normality) bc limbs are missing :(