sometimes ppl take more than 3 months between creating things. could be irl stuff taking precedence, depression/executive function, artist's block, taking a break from subeta, any number of reasons

i think any sort of shop thread (cw shops, art commissions, profile commisions, etc) should be exempt from necro-ing because essentially what that winds up doing is punishing ppl for having lives that don't rotate around their subeta shop. we got a perfectly good thread right there, why can't we use it?

especially since this would require no coding change, it's literally only the rules stopping people from using their own shops. having to continually make new shops would clutter up the forums more. and having to wait until "dead" topics reach page 3 mean that in slow moving threads (such as profile & graphics market) that can take YEARS so the penalty for having a life is upped from "have to make a new thread which is a minor inconvenience" to "not allowed to offer commissions anymore." unless we think of someway to re-spin it so it's not the same thread, and that becomes forcing us to work around the rules rather than with them.

so change that rule! it's incredibly frustrating, especially since i pay this site real money and yall won't even let me offer commissions for fake money because of a failure of logic in bureaucracy

I'd also like CW, art, and profile shop threads to be exempt from the necro rule. We build up a lot of trust through our threads. People who may be a little shy of buying work because they've been burnt before get the chance to browse not just a portfolio of sorts, but see if we're reliable, timely, and will not scam them. Locking threads more or less makes us start this process over from scratch. The first post can always be updated to reflect more recent work, rules, and prices.

I support this. As it stands, can't ever have another commission thread, because y'all locked it, and so it will never get to page 3.

(If it wasn't locked I'm sure Kylo's friends could get it to page 3 in a couple days as a favour, but. It is locked.)

well its when it gets to page 3 that you're allowed to make a new one. that occurred to me too but then yall would get in trouble for spamming and i don't want that.

thank you. i would appreciate speedy handling of this seeing as its directly affecting my ability to sell art on here, but i understand that that's not always possible. thanks for stopping by

Where in those forums does it say you can’t use your old topic? Reading the rules in profiles and graphics and custom wearables and art market no where does it say you can’t use a topic after a certain amount of time... so I’m confused as to why this is a problem?

If you have a shop open... why can’t you still use it? If it’s locked why can’t you file a ticket and ask staff to unlock it so you can use it?

I didn't realize there was an overall necro rule because before it was in each individual forums rules... but I don't understand how we're allowed to revive our CW topics even if we haven't posted on them for a while but you can't for your art topic? that's really weird

I'm not Kylo, but Kylo did put in a ticket.

(We've been talking on Discord this morning, so you wouldn't have known that.)

I'm pretty sure it's not spamming if we actually have a conversation in there, even if that conversation is not precisely on topic? I mean I wouldn't just post emojis like people were doing for box farming. But then we'd be the ones doing the necro, so that's not great either. :/

thank you but I don’t really need your input when I’m simply asking for clarification from HER because I was confused on this.

I've run afoul of this as well - I asked a mod of the art market forum specifically if using my own art thread (last post was about a year ago) was considered necroing, or if I needed to lock the post and start again. I was told since the last post was older than 3 months, I would need to lock the post and start fresh.

Unfortunately, that mod posted in my thread to record that they were locking it, and...well....that was over a month ago and my post is still on page 1. :( So I don't know when I'll be able to open another art shop thread. Sad timessss

Do you have a private ping group? It's kind of a lame work around, but you could post an art thread in your private group forums to take slots just for your ping group members. That's probably what I'll do until I can open a public art shop again.

no need to be rude to valiska, she's just relating what i told her earlier this morning. i did send in a ticket asking if i could use my old thread even though it had been more than 3 months (which ftr is listed in the general forum rules) and that was the point at which it got locked, and i was told i would have to wait for it to reach the 3rd page before i could make a new one.

i do have a few private ping groups, ill probably do that i guess. it's just really not fair that we have to wait when we have done nothing wrong other than have lives that distracted us from posting for slightly longer than the proscribed amount of time.

This is really weird... did they just start doing this? Because I know before I'd seen art shops revived after three months o.o

I have my own reasons for not wanting her input on every little thing, but thank you. I was merely trying to understand the situation because I'd definitely seen things revived in the past so this seems so weird that it's suddenly different because I know CW shops especially have been revived after a few months in the past.

Yes, I agree, it's not fair. I understand the point of forbidding necroing on the regular forumsto prevent spam, but for selling forums - since we're only allowed to have one active post at a time - I just don't get it. Because of other commitments, I have loooong stretches of inactivity, too, but I usually don't finish taking slots and immediately think, "okay, I'm done! time to lock this post so that I can open a new post in 6 months when I'm ready to take slots again!" lolol

As far as I know, no, this has always been the rule. I assume mods are lax about enforcing it sometimes? I know I've accidentally "necro'd" my own posts a time or two in the past because I didn't realize the 3 month rule applied back then. That's why I asked the minimod about it specifically. :/

Support. Honestly, I'd also like it to be OK for people to bump their own threads (and potentially double post) within reason. Obviously, spamming "bump" over and over isn't a good look, but if someone genuinely has an update for their thread, but can't post on that thread because they were already the last poster, they should be able to add it to the thread. Maybe something like once a week (or some other reasonable timeframe) would help negate the potential for spamming, and it'd be easy to catch since posts already have a timestamp.

That's just really weird. I hope they can fix that soon because really for art shops especially since how does it make sense to put a time limit on art shops when some pieces can take a while? No wonder the forums are dying.

I mean I totally get it for the buying/selling normal items since those threads move decently fast, or general chit-chat because some of those topics get revived a lot by people just spamming to up their post count but to actually shut someone's shop because no one commissioned them in a few months? really really weird and backwards logic

The necro rule was always 3 months until they changed it for a few specific forums.

I agree that it should be extended or removed for certain sales forums (and I also support a time-limited bump feature. People circumvent the bumping rules already anyway on a regular basis)

Yeah, I'm super happy brought this up, because I hadn't considered it in depth and have really been itching to open my art shop again. I'm glad staff are taking the idea into consideration, too - though I agree that since this particular decision doesn't require coding, I hope it will be a "quick" fix/update to rules.

And Subeta wonders why the forums are dying.

There obviously should be some form of a cut-off point for when you can "revive" a post but it shouldn't be a case of essentially punishing people who want to sell things, art or game items alike. Because if your post doesn't immediately take off or you have some massive network of friends, you're kind of screwed.

I'm not active in the threads mentioned, but it would be great if the necro rule was amended throughout the forums. Three months is too short and is very restrictive, especially since the forums are so dead now. I also think the posts mods leave on necro threads before they lock them can unintentionally read as rude, especially for those of us who already have social anxiety and are putting a lot of energy in just writing a reply.

Personally I used to love Dragon Cave until I was responded to rudely by a mod when I asked a question on the forums and never went back. I think there is a friendlier way to let users know not to do something that is helpful in tone. We should be encouraging new users to join the conversation here, not scaring them away.

Given the forums are so much less active, I don't think necro-ing is a big issue. Not being allowed to necro stifles things in a way. Now, of course, if someone was selling x back in 2018 then maaaaybe necroing doesn't make much sense, but actual necro rules are a barrier, imo.

Hi, I'm the mini-mod of the art based forums, general creativity, art market, art discussion. The three month rule actually applies to all forums, with the exception of forums, suggestions and ideas, bugs where the rule was amended to allowing a year before necro. That said, I admit I've been lax in enforcing it before which is entirely my fault, or I didn't realize that the last post was over the three months so left it open.

The actual rule stands that after 3 months if a post hasn't been posted in then posting in it again would constitute a necro though.

Also, as a sidenote, if I ever came across as rude when posting that I was locking a forum topic, just a note that I didn't intend to be nor was I intending to come off that way.

That said, in regards to the rule as a whole, I'm open to having it amended, since it's a fairly old rule from when the forums were a lot more active all around. Having a standard all around year/year and a 1/2, before the necro rule applies would actually probably encourage more people posting in the forums since it is true they're a lot slower now than when the 3 month rule was first introduced.