I know this has been asked in general terms in threads relating to the forums but I remembered the Gisele Kinkylove items today. Here are some item descriptions. The piercings have an interesting effect on the preview for the female HA base. :D

There's nothing wrong with these items (I think they're fun) but it would be nice if we could have clearer guidelines for Subeta's definition of PG13 so we don't have to keep sending in tickets. Once the staff has made a decision about something in a ticket it would be better if this decision was recorded on a page relating to site rules so people don't end up asking the same questions over and over again.

Maybe the Giselle Kinkylove items could be used as an example of the kind of content that's allowed.

Quoting from a later post I made to clarify what I mean. (People pointed out that my original opening post was vague)

Plenty of people have nipple piercings, I kind of feel like you are intentionally trying to stir the pot on this one. If we pick on this then we better look at the fetus pops, third leg kilt, the busty women in backdrops, and like 100's of items. This site is for 13 years and older, By the time you are 13 in this day and age you have already been exposed to way worse then some nipple piercings and don't forget the which you seem to have conveniently left out. I have a 14 year old daughter who plays Subeta and I sat down with her and asked her about some things before she joined and honestly Subeta is tame compared to what she has heard about at school. Plus she is also very mature, Neopets is good for the more sensitive folk though I hear ;)

Ciannwn mirroring cream on this one. i mean, your signature is inviting human ritual sacrifice which isnt exactly PG13 either, so.

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i could absolutely sit here for well over an hour and list every perverted item on this site, but it isnt necessary. subeta is far more lax on things like toilet humor and innuendos, and that isn't really a bad thing. it actually contributes to it's success. people from 13-50+ play this game, don't forget, and i see many more adults than children. allowing a child on this site - just as any other site - is up to the individual parent's discretion. if restriction is what you're looking for, is on point, give neopets a spin. i'm sure you'll be widely received. is also right. if you're going to kick up the dust on the topic of inappropriateness for children and throw a target on your back, take a peek at your signature - or your account and pets in general.

I've filled a ticket on this relatively recently, though admittedly my question was more so for the roleplay & entertainment forums.

What I got from my ticket is that pg13 = for ages 13 and up.

Going by that, those items are fine. But discussing sexual, violent and non-pg13 acts in detail = not fine.

So I can go and have a succubus as a character for my pet, just like someone else can have an axe-murdering maniac. As long as neither of us go into extreme details describing what these characters actually do. At least that's what I've gathered.

I'm dying to know what's possibly inappropriate about the Giselle Kinkylove Ticklers. I think I get the implication, but it's a pretty mild-looking accessory. I also really like arm accessories on my avatar. If I threw it into an outfit, would people think I was trying to be suggestive, or would most not notice?

you are correct on the vivid detail aspect on your comment. (:

i'm 90% sure you can put the ticklers on your avatar and people won't assume it's for a sexual purpose! i see plenty of users do it to add an extra cute item to their designs.

I think I remember being like... younger than 10 when I learned about kinky stuff. Mainly thanks to Batman Returns tbh--it's PG-13, and Catwoman kind of exemplifies the latex/leather kink, lol.

If the main point of this thread is the Giselle line, then I think it's a non-issue. I would be kind of curious about what the exact definition of PG-13 is for Subeta's purposes is, though. Granted, the definition of any age-restricted content is hazy at best no matter where you go, and there's double-standards everywhere.

I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything. If you read through this topic relating to the forums you'll see that nobody is sure how Subeta defines PG 13. Lets Talk Forums Again

Somebody made a help topic asking if a piece of artwork is too risqué to be used as forum art. Potential [Mature Content] Is my future forum art too risque? She was advised to send in a ticket because it's something that the staff have to decide even if the users see nothing wrong with it. I thought it was less risqué than an HA I made with some Gisele Kinkylove items.

Rule 30 Sexual/Graphic Content

Unless the staff clarify how they define PG13 we have no idea what is meant by "there ARE limits as to how much we will allow. Subeta is PG-13".

I was laughing at the Kinklyove Piercings because they are pink. At first glance the female HA preview looks like bare boobs with nipples.

Users can sign up to Facebook when they are are 13. Facebook had to apologise for censoring a photo of the Venus of Willendorf on the grounds that it's 'dangerously pornographic'. If people want to read the details they can google for news reports because I have no idea if the statue falls within Subeta's PG13 limits.

PS and I'm not complaining about the items. I'm saying it would be nice if we had clearer guidelines so we don't have to keep sending in tickets.

👍 Wanted to clarify that it's not up to the parent to allow their (under 13) kids to register. I've asked via tickets regarding users under 13 before and I was told that the rules are not accurate regarding parental permissions. That part applies to really old accounts (10+ year ago) that were created back when it was allowed to play the site with parental permission.

Not trying to start shit with you. ._. Just trying to avoid the scenario of someone coming to the topic, reading that tidbit and thinking that parental permission is enough for their mature 11-year-old to play the site, then causing a stink about the kid getting frozen because "they had parental permission so it's okay!!".

I like how you really thought about it and your response shows that. If I saw you wearing them on site I wouldn't bat an eye, I'd think they look cute and I would likely comment you to say so especially since anyone who can incorporate arm items into HA's is my hero. Same as in real life, I don't even think of their intended purpose that way. I am friends with someone who is trans and she wears them sometimes just for fun and tbh she is just kinda extra but that is what I love about her and I feel like you should be able to go through life being happy about being yourself. If you want to dress up like a lady bug in rl and go lay in the grass then do it or if you want to be a space hooker on subeta, Awesome!

Your original post doesn't imply that at all and I know I am not the only one who will say that.

We have been here before in the past with the PG13 discussion, I like the dynamic on which Subeta operates and you'll find that the majority of other users do too. If you need further clarification then perhaps file a ticket rather then make a topic where it seems your intent was to make drama even if you didn't mean for it to come across as such.

no harm done, i can understand that.

I don't see anything inappropriate with any of the Giselle Kinkylove items. Here's my HA with Kinkylove items - as I said earlier the first impression people could get is that my female HA is showing bare boobs with nipples. It's unlikely that the staff will complain because the piercings are a legitimate site item. Would it be permissible to have a piece of forum artwork on these lines, though?

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I've changed my opening post now because you're right about the original not being clear.

Thanks for the confirmation. I see now that was pointing out that had left out one piece of the set, not that it was inherently kinkier than the rest. :)

[User=heaven] - I agree with you that there doesn't seem to be a lot of kids on Subeta. I always picture people as being my age to a decade younger (between 21 and early 30s) unless proven otherwise. And usually that "proven otherwise" skews older, not younger. So when I do run into a high schooler or someone who can't yet drink in the US, I'm always mildly surprised.

subeta user age poll for those who are interested as this is fairly recent

Yes my aim was that rather then focusing on the whole line the original post was geared at the more risque items which seemed to me like it was done on purpose.

It was done on purpose because it relates to sexual content. As it's OK to have these descriptions on official site items, these descriptions could be used for official site guidelines.

Unless you happen to be on Subeta if someone else asks a similar question, the user concerned will have to send in a ticket because this staff decision isn't recorded where everyone can see it. The same for other decisions people have sent tickets in for.

Essentially - PG13 and below for works of fiction, writing, roleplaying, pet stores, etc., but the site itself is for ages 13 and up.

That's from the ticket I've filled. The ticket was not strictly on pg13 rating for the site, but I made it as an inquiry/clarification regarding topic content for the roleplay (and later entertainment) forums, but given the overlap I think it's safe to post this information here.

The guideline I was given is good, but also subjective. Some people would be alright with letting a kid see something silly like the . And someone else would be absolutely horrified and scandalized by the very idea.

More from my ticket on discussing m17+ topics in the entertainment forum (discussing m17+ rated videogames, music, books, etc.):

Bottom line is: I do feel that an in-depth explanation similar to the one in that ticket response should be mentioned somewhere for clarity's sake. Not everyone's going to be in the same boat when pg13 is mentioned and it definitely does help to have some things clarified to put people at ease.

Everything is evaluated on a case-by-case basis. This is also important to remember. Someone who got into trouble for inappropriate conduct & content in the past is likely going to be monitored more closely than someone else with no warnings, who just happened to dress their avatar up with the entire Kinkylove set.

This bit from your ticket answer.

You're right about it being subjective. This is why I think Subeta should be clearer using some site items, zombie skins and plot elements as examples. These guidelines could also be made accessible without people having to sign up first. This would mean parents of under 17's could decide whether the site is suitable for their children.

I'm a little confused about what is meant by "a 13-year old teenager or younger" because kids under 13 aren't supposed to be on here.

The bit about graphic images isn't too clear. Censoring the Venus of Willendorf isn't the only thing FB had to apologise for. It also blocked a photo of the statue of Neptune in the Piazza del Nettuno on the grounds that it was regarded as explicitly sexual because it's not got any clothes on. It would help if Subeta said whether it's OK to link to images of naked statues which are on view in public places and prehistoric Venus figurines etc. Some statues and ancient artwork wouldn't be appropriate, though, such as Priapus and the Sorcerer of Les Trois Freres would still need a ticket.

My Kinyklove HA isn't showing anything that the female preview for the Kinkylove piercings isn't showing. It's why I fell about laughing when I saw the preview.

from the site rules:

i definitely agree there needs to be more publicly-visible clarity about what is or is not considered PG-13 appropriate on subeta, especially considering how often i see users asking questions about it only to be told to file a ticket.

"is this swear word allowed? what about that one? this word has multiple meanings, some of which are mundane and some of which are offensive; is it okay to use it in its mundane sense? is a sexualized drawing of a person inappropriate even if it doesn't show any sex organs? are nipples inappropriate, or only those attached to a certain size / shape of breast tissue? classical art / sculpture of nudes? how much drawn or written violence is too much / too explicit? i saw this in a PG-13 movie, does that mean it's allowed?"

while the answers to questions like these might differ on a case-by-case basis, it only seems fair that there be some concrete guidelines and examples. especially considering some things that could be perceived as "edge cases" can be found as official parts of the site itself! (if i drew a character dressed in something like the kinkylove set, would that be too sexual? the nipple rings are iffy considering the HA doesn't actually... have nipples.)