puts on one of my MANY kinkylove piercing HAs just to post here lol Changed it for a contest, here's the one I was wearing Private Outfit

I often wonder about if the existence of the kinkylove piercings is enough to wear a boobs-out style HA on the site- on one hand I figure they got on the site so they're probably fine, and on the other I figure that we haven't had many nipple piercing sets after so they're probably not encouraging it either. There's just too many opportunities for some gorgeous nude HAs to resist them!

RE rules clarification: My gut feeling is that it's totally fair to ask people to make tickets, especially for content generated outside of the site. It is subjective and there is no one rule that will cover all their bases, it's just the reality of rules about nudity. I have had good ticket response when it comes to potentially breaking rules (compared to other ticket response times at least). As long as the staff can stay on top of this rule and respond to people's questions about it very quick, I think it's reasonable to say "ask if you're not sure". If they can clarify on-site that is great, but it's always going to be "ask if you're not sure" anyway.

I found this in Rules for Entire Site

I then found when the Kinkylove set was put on the site. It was 08/11/08 which would be round about the time that the parental permission rule was changed. It's unlikely that there are any users still under 13 from that time, though. After all, how many kids would have signed up for an account when they were under 3 years old?

If there are kids under 13 on the site now because they faked their birth date, Subeta is covered. The rules clearly state that users must be 13 or older so it's parents' responsibility to check what their childen are up to on the internet.

There will always be a need to send in some tickets but the guidelines you talked about in Post#18 will be standard.

My signature is no worse than Amy being sacrificed to Merana. I don't think Kahaleitzli asked her for her permission first so he's not as polite as my ghastly pets. :D I've had this signature for years and the staff haven't removed it so I'm guessing it complies with what is PG13 on Subeta.

My signature is no worse than Amy being sacrificed to Merana. I don't think Kahaleitzli asked her for her permission first so he's not as polite as my ghastly pets. :D I've had this signature for years and the staff haven't removed it so I'm guessing it complies with what is PG13 on Subeta.

???? uh. this was posted before you amended your original post so i dont see why you're bringing it up now tbh.

It still relates to what is regarded as PG13 on Subeta, though. I got the impression that you didn't think my signature is exactly PG13 which brings us back to the point Frost made about things being subjective. Some parents might think my signature is unsuitable for their 13 year old child to see even though it's allowed on the site. This is why I think there should be some kind of guide which is accessible without having to sign up so parents with children under 17 can decide if they want their kids to be on here.

i was using your signature as a "if you dont think this is bad, then this isnt bad" before the case by case basis thing was established and before you made your opening post less vague. honestly, i've never had to ask if anything is appropriate for subeta at all since i dont feel this site pertain much to "should i need to ask about this" for the way i play it, but. shrug.

Sorry. I misunderstood what you meant.

I've just been doing a bit of research. There are still some people who think that the Harry Potter books are satanic and will lure kids into the occult - they'd be horrified by all the magic items on here.

Let's see here:

• Repeated zombie events that users routinely make either scantly clad or nude HAs for.
• Gorey zombie messes in general. (Don't get me started on those.)
• Been here long enough to remember one user getting into trouble for strategic placement of an HA item that was grilling a hotdog at waist level.
• User stories that include gore.
• Pet stories that include gore.

If it's that touchy a topic, like many other things on Subeta that have been made archaic in the past couple years, things should be revised and readdressed instead of handing out relative posts that, apparently, have a huge chance of varying from admin to admin. Not to mention - the userbase itself is old enough to judge these things on their own. At least I would hope so.

that's .... really unfortunate, lmao. there is nothing inherently Satanic about hp (this is coming from a Satanist) so yeah thats extremely subjective. people will find offense or distaste in every little thing, i dont think it can be neatened down into a 'list' like how it could have been done, say, 14 years ago when the site was created because the world changes quickly. theres probably inane items that cause users panic attacks, or spiritual distress, but i dont think it's up to subeta to lambaste every single potential scenario. the world is too diverse to essentially pander to everyone, as obviously everyone will have a different idea as to what is appropriate for a 13+ year old to see (regarding Satanism in HP, for example)

i feel, and this is my own personal opinion, if you feel the need to ask if something is inappropriate for subeta, it probably is. and yet, there are several extremely inappropriate pets on site, regardless. ones depicting sexual relations between relatives, for example. its a revolting subject matter, but since they are 'skirting' by not being too 'inappropriate' about it, it's still allowed on site. its a mixed bag, whichever way, and i dont think a set guideline would be able to be established without some sort of revolt happening. you'd have religious extremists asking for other religions to be removed, as it offends their beliefs, you'd have bigots asking for the homosexuality to be toned down as that, in some peoples sad eyes, is inappropriate for 13+ year olds.

I agree. This bit from the ticket reply Frost had only adds to the confusion "would you allow a 13-year old teenager or younger, to view this content?" We shouldn't have to worry about what's suitable for under 13s when they aren't supposed to be on here.

I remember that HA you referred to. Maybe there should be a clear HA guideline about strategic placements of some HA clothing items. I posted the Kinkylove HA I made because it only shows what the female preview for the piercings shows - if I came up with something risqué by strategic placements I'd send in a ticket.

It would be helpful if Subeta was clearer about what's allowed on the site, though, because, as you pointed out, the world changes quickly. This is 2019 so some things might have changed since the site started 14 years ago.

The guideline should be about items and plots etc which already exist on the site. For example -

1. It's permitted for characters in stories and role playing to drown people as long as the accounts don't go beyond what's described in the Eerie Mash Tun description or Gunter's Confession (My personal opinion - it would be a bit odd if drowning people was banned in stories and role playing under the circumstances.)

2. This site is LGBTQ+ friendly. Anything that's been said in an item description or a plot is OK for you to say.

I've been dealing with a migraine all day, so I'm sorry in advance if I'm scattered but I didn't want to leave the pings unanswered.

I was confused too, but after a staff member explained it further, my understanding is that because there are still minors on the site, it's not a good idea to go overboard with things. Even being 13+, Subeta still has under 18 users, and as such it has to comply with various child protection laws, as well as ensuring that it's appropriate enough for various advertisers. Any inappropriate content posted (regardless if it's a story, or art) has the potential to reach someone it really shouldn't be reaching.

I imagine it also has to do with the fact that user and pet profiles are public and freely accessible, even for people who haven't logged in or registered for accounts.

I have no idea because I didn't ask about images of classical art, I only asked about text - stories, forum topics and roleplaying mature themes without sexual themes. That said, I do imagine there's a big difference between classical art and a picture of someone's naked character. :P The biggest one being that one is culturally and historically significant and the other was done for fun by the artist. But in the case of classical art, this would be one of those "fill a ticket and ask!" scenarios. Especially if you want to use a photo of classical or historical artworks in a pet profile or a user profile.

That's true, and that's also another big, fat reason to clarify the rules. I have run into users under 13 playing Subeta and I have had other users get snippy with me because "I'm their parent, I gave them permission so it's okay!". In a ticket, I was told that it most definitely is not okay and that I should continue to report users under 13 if I see them.

tl;dr - bringing the rules up to date and adding more appropriate guidelines would be excellent. Filling tickets is fine and dandy, and ticket response times are generally very good, but there's a point at which I feel like an idiot and a nuisance. As a consequence I feel discouraged from using the site and getting clarification for things that were an obstacle to me, but that are painfully obvious after someone explains them.

Like... In the past, I have seen people with definitely NSFW intended HAs that they've made by layering official items that are already present on the site. And in most cases, these people only changed their HAs when they got bored. |: I'm not talking about the sausage grilling HA, these were more recent. On the other hand if someone makes a 1x1 topic seeking roleplayers in their age range, there's a good chance that it's going to be taken the wrong way because of implications.

Don't worry about replying to me while you're dealing with a migraine. Real life has to come first.

I had a look at some of my pet profiles to check their treasure chests. Item descriptions don't show up but the item names and images do. (As I'm logged in I'm not sure if item names still show up for people who haven't logged in or signed up.)

I find old news/news archive pages through google. I'm only guessing that hovering over an item brings up previews and descriptions for everyone because I'm logged in. The world will be able to read everything said on a news post, though, including the comments.

As I said in my previous post, I think guidelines for stories and role playing should use existing items and plot elements on the site. Here are some more examples of what I mean where images and descriptions etc. are concerned. (I don't think we're supposed to assume it's just tobacco in the shapely hookahs :D )

Then there's the Kinkylove items I put in my opening post. The item descriptions are a lot more suggestive than these lines from the 2018 Morostide Plot. (Subeta Wiki has the full transcript)

They're also a lot more suggestive than this item.