As the title says, I think we should remove the Common Potion as an option from the Potion Lottery.

At the time of writing, is worth 7,800 sP, half of the cost of a lottery MegaTicket (15,500 sP). I highly doubt anyone is requesting a Common Potion with a single ticket when it would take very little effort to go out and buy one on your own.

I understand that the lottery should have some risk involved, and even without the Common Potion as an option, there would be less desirable potions possible to win with a MegaTicket - such as Dusk (250k) and Marsh (715k); not to mention the fact that a lot of "basic" colors can be gotten for a lot cheaper with species-specific elixirs. Even IRL, I believe that lottery "winnings" that are small at least recoup you the cost of the ticket. And most people, IRL and probably here too, don't just buy one ticket.

From what I understand of the wording on the lottery, the potion is chosen first, and then a winner is chosen from among those who had put in for that potion. I don't know what the current odds of it choosing the common potion are. I do know I would be quite disappointed if I found out I "won" the lottery only to discover that my winnings were worth less than the ticket that was spent on it.

a lot of the people signing up for the potion lottery are simply doing it for the achievement, i dont feel the need to remove any potions from the pot. if you don't want the common potion then don't put a ticket towards it, really simple.

The one problem with the argument of not going for the common potion is the people buying the mega ticket. No matter what, the common potion is going to be on it.

As I stated in my original post, I don't think people ARE buying tickets for the common potion, but it is one of the options for the MegaTicket.

Whether or not people are hoping for the achievement is moot.

then it's simply luck of the draw- quite literally. removing less favourable items from the draw would be illogical, I don't think there should be a net gain on a gamble.

I'm in agreement with I mean there's a much higher chance you'll get either a good potion or a great potion and you'll get more than your money's worth. But having a "dud" prize in the mix is just as valid, especially since it's just a single item out of a collection of quite a few. The chances of you actually getting the common potion when there are so many others there are pretty low. You're much more likely to get something like a Reborn or Angelic potion or something than you are to get the "dud" prize.

As has been said, it's a gamble, if it was always a guaranteed net gain, it wouldn't be a gamble.

this is the definition of gambling- and honestly the fact that you win an angelic potion today makes this whole post seem uh.. kinda entitled if I'm being honest l. you got the best potion, I dont see why you're complaining

I remember back in the day when my forum group used to pool megatickets for those who need the achievement. There were also times where we did it for birthdays. We were thrilled when someone finally wins and shows up on the news page regardless of the type of potion. I know what you mean, but I see of it purely as a random daily game.

I'm fine with having the common potion in the lottery. It's 1 out of 31 potions you could get. If the other potions drop in price for whatever reason, should we start removing them from the pool too? 😕 Not everything is going to give you a positive return; you can spend 40m on tickets and still end up not winning the potion lottery.

I appreciate that you've gone as far as to notice that I in fact won the potion lottery last night. But you have misinterpreted the consequences of that. If anything, the fact that I've already won the "best potion", as you put it, should make me in fact care less about what the odds of winning any other potion is.

I am not suggesting this improvement for myself alone. Before yesterday, I entered into the potion lottery only on the behest of Major Drills, and after today it will likely be the same.

I am making this suggestion because, as I stated, one ticket should at least be recoupable by the prize it gives. At one point, I believe, the Common Potion was worth more, and it made sense for it to be part of the MegaTicket. In fact, it's official price is something like 18k. If the resale value was the same, it would be fine. It's still (just barely) more than the price of the MegaTicket. People would still lose a lot in such a thing - after all, one MegaTicket entry gives you less than 1% of a chance to win, so you're likely to enter more than one MegaTicket at a time if you're really trying to win something.

And yes, , it is a gamble. Many of the things on this site are, and many of them give you items that are not worth the money you paid for them. But that doesn't mean the lottery should be one of them. You can already lose the lottery very easily by not winning anything, and the odds of doing so are great. You shouldn't have to lose by winning. As I pointed out in my op, we already have dud prizes in the common color potions, though they are slightly less of a dud than the common potion.

In addition, the lottery only has one winner, once a day, as opposed to the other gambling parts of this site that you can play multiple times a day to your own peril. So they shouldn't be treated the same in terms of prizes. In fact, taking out the common potion will likely do nothing to inflate or deflate the worth of any of the other potions.

Its a random gambling game. You don't always get a positive outcome. My friend group plottos for birthdays, and while we don't always succeed, its always nice to see your friends come together to do something for you. Someone has gotten a common potion before and while it aint great, its still the thought/gesture that counts. I don't see why this has to be changed.

it's literally a lottery. I'm sorry but your arguments are paper thin and make no sense.

also it isnt hard to see that you won as you're literally on the front page?

Close to none of the potions are worth the price it costs to have a good chance at the potion lottery tbh.

Angelic absolutely does, Harvest too. The TS potions might from time to time. That's that.

We can't remove the bad outcomes from the pool - it wouldn't be much of a lottery anymore

I don't really understand the motivation behind this thread as it is. It's very easy to avoid getting the common potion if you really don't want it, but it'd honestly be stranger if it wasn't in the pool. I mean, It's a potion lottery, and the common potion belongs there just as much as any other potion does. Removing it simply because it's cheaper than the rest seems like an odd thing to do.

I don't think it should be removed either. I think it's more than fair to have a silly dud like that. It generally lines up with my experience with selling lottery and cashing in tickets that people bring me. I think people just want to something, they don't necessarily care what. I know I would like to win something about this point too, even if it is a stupid common potion.

I also think it's fair to have part of the site that isn't necessarily profitable with the way quests churns out sP.

I don't understand the trend for responding to suggestions for improvements with what amounts to "that's just the way things are".

The best argument against my suggestion I've seen on this thread is 's, that it would be difficult to keep removing and replacing potions as they fluctuate in price.

I have no wish to argue this further. If it is not something the majority of Subeta wants, so be it.

it isnt an improvement to suggest removing a 'dud' item from a lottery situation to save on money buuuuuut whatever floats your boat, bud. also frosts response isnt even a rebuttal imo it's just common sense of "if we remove x then people will expect y to be removed" but you seem to be sensitive on the topic

"You won an Angelic potion. You have no right to complain about who gets what." I own a car. I have no right to complain about the price of gas. No really. Wtf.

So anyway I'm actually in agreeance with you here. Getting rid of the common potion doesn't stop people from getting the achievement for just winning. But people getting upset that someone has a chance of getting something of value out of a gamble? Oh no, how absurd.

@ me next time, also I didnt even say what you think I said but go off I guess. if yall dont want a common potion dont do the potion lottery it isnt a difficult concept. not my fault you expect constant payback from g a m b i I n g

Gonna go ahead and apologize for not pinging you because that was passive aggressive and in bad taste. I read your reply again and like, sorry it just seems like you were upset with the fact that op won an expensive potion and you were mad about it. So I read it as "Hey fuck off" instead of your original intent. However, I suppose if I won a potion like that, I wouldn't complain. Although having a common potion in there is just boggling. It's literally a "common" item. Why are we arguing about getting rid of it??