Only for achievements.

With the amount of sP quests are giving out now per (which is way more than your average game play), it seems the games are falling behind with payouts. If I sit and do all fifteen quests (with a GA, no GA is ten) per quester I can easily make 4 mil, give or take. Not to mention now Sarah's threshold for stopping her quests is 1mil+ now.

Even if I'm good at a game, I'll only net between 100 and 10k sP, give or take. This doesn't really seem a fair trade since playing games is a perfectly viable way of earning currency, but the payout isn't treated as a contributor.

Can we please get a sP raise for it?

[edit] Now that there are more posts, I want to address a couple of things; I do not think quests should be nerfed. If they make ANY changes to them, I would want them to be balanced with the payout one would receive from the games. I also don't think we need a new currency for games, but 1+ to a pet stat would also be a nice bonus in addition to sP, to me.

And I like how suggested a revamp;

To add to 's suggestion; I would love to have to set it up like we have quests. Normal users get ten plays and GA get fifteen (this is for the sake of example, not solid) and we have gamer's weekends where the payout is increased by 50% or something.

If we nerf quests then games won't looks so bad. (Mostly serious)

We really need another epicon type event to go through and modify games to be worthwhile. I'd personally like most of them to cost wiz tokens to play and reward with non-sP payouts. sP payouts are difficult to balance, which leads us to where we are now.

[edit] This may be better as a suggestions thread, if you'd compile a list of games that aren't worth playing and/or suggested rewards.

Support. I have limited time on site, and typically don't even consider games as a worthwhile activity (let alone remember I can play them.)

Someone is, inevitably, going to come along and say that we should just lower the amounts that questers give... but 1) that's not what this suggestion/feedback is. And 2) that ship sailed long ago. Please stop.

[edit]Dammit. If I had posted just 3 min earlier, I could've gotten ahead of the "quests should be lowered" train.

...maybe eliminate the sPs reward altogether from sent scores? Like OP says, it's about the achievements associated with the game, not the sPs reward. I wouldn't even have non-sPs rewards go out (items) because ultimately the value will be super deflated and worthless in a short time.

Granted, games probably don't really add much to the overall global sPs total (would be interesting to see a breakdown of how much sPs enters in a single day and where it comes from mostly), but I digress.

I'm playing games only for the achievement so I wouldn't mind removing the sP completely and instead adding more achievement (I personally prefer new over adding tiers to existing ones) with some items rewards and titles.

I also mainly play games for the achievements, but occasionally I do like to play a few of them when I'm bored. In those cases, the sP reward is a nice little bonus so I don't really feel like it should be done away with completely.

I'd like more variety when it comes to earn sP. Games are much more interactive than questing and if you get sick of one game, there's more to play.

It would be nice to still earn something decent when I get tired of questing, which happens quite often nowadays.

Nah I'm definitely on the 'quest sP payout should be nerfed (except for Saggi)'

Sorry, I don't think I should be getting 25K sP plus tokens with each wizard quest.

What happened to the idea of the games having a currency of their own? Just curious.

Part of the reason Quests are so boringly necessary to do nowadays is because questly-users complained with bitter gusto when games became a thing where you could get decent sP from them. Something about not being good at games, and it's true that historically speaking they haven't been a big part of Subeta as income more as fun li'l timewasters. I'm afraid any improvement in Games output will result in another round of 'how pointless quests are anymore' even though they never were pointless (or fun).

I agree with the original post, in sort of a resigned depression sorta way. Sorry, I tried.

I think it would be interesting to get some sort of game prize shop similar to the carnival/forum tickets/quest shops. Where its hard enough to save for said items, but not worthless. Like you may get a token for it one in 10 games you submit scores for, and just sp like now for the others.

It and added achievements with tiers and such that give items and such would really be incentive to play. Id prever that over questing, Im so bad at doing mine because I find it boring.

I love caliphs tomb, the slide puzzle, mystic spindles...etc. and with spindles there is that way to earn things other than sp, like books and pet stats. Idk I just think itd be nice to see it overhauled a bit to give those who hate questing an option, while keeping quests as the big payout and not allowing that whole 'I suck at games' thing as a reason not to improve them for a small group of people.

I don't know if the solution to too much sP is going out from X is to make more sP go out via Y.

Games and quests I don't think were ever meant to be comparable.

This is an interesting topic. I agree that the games are not good for sp payout.

However, if I've done all my quests (or just the ones I like) and I still need more sp it's good that there is another place sp can be earned from straightforwardly. I would not like to see the sp taken away from games. I like the idea of the games giving out more sp personally. But from what I'm reading some folks think that there is already too much sp going out into the economy? I guess I haven't really noticed that inflation is a problem? I'm not really sure how that is determined among all users either tbh. A lot of times I think it seems like everyone is a quadrillionaire but really it's just the people we see posting consistently because money is their jam and they're on top of it so they have a lot to say about it. But in reality a TON of players don't post and are part of the community and play games/quest ect, but we don't always really hear from them. And they don't have millions or cws ect. (lurkers ftw.) I don't like tediousness so while I do complete quests (usually) I don't always do all of them (or any) because they're just boring to me. The games aren't that exciting either but at least there is a choice. Honestly if the games paid more than the quests I'd much prefer to earn my sp gaming. I'm not really for removing sp from the games as a way to remove sp from the economy. I'd prefer to see the sp Spent on something/going somewhere else like item shops or events, which we've had quite a few of recently. But that's just my two cents.

I don't think games should give out more sP, but it would be nice to see something done to make them worth playing. Like this idea: Games for intelligence If something similar could be done for all games, but with different non-sP rewards, that'd be great.

And games were going to have their own currency? That sounds worth exploring again too.

I don't want incentives to play games that aren't fun or good imo.

Peka-Boo and Epicon 2 are not remembered fondly, especially by people who literally felt physically ill or hurt from playing the games on Subeta.

Related Suggestions topics: Arcade-A-Thone Games for intelligence [edit] Yes stat boosts, big no on nerfing quests, hard pass on getting yet another special currency. The bigger issue is that the games are just bad and are hardly worth playing, period.

If we're going to address inflation in a separate topic, we need to discuss the CSC problem along with the sP problem...

I think games must be well worth playing for new people. 10K is nothing if you've got billions in the bank but it will be a nice extra if you're very poor.

I remember starting here 13 years ago when there were very few games and we were lucky to get 100sP from playing one., Even in those days, 100 sP didn't get you very far.

Additional thoughts now that there are more posts...

I don't necessarily think that the sP payout for games should be increased, my only comment so far was just that I didn't want it removed entirely.

I'm not sure how I feel about having another currency that we can get from playing games either though. We already have like a million different currencies on this site, do we really need another one?

Having a chance to (very rarely) earn an intelligence point for your active pet by playing games might be fun though.

I think the payout is largely fine as it is, and I certainly wouldn't like to see it removed (That little bit of sp when your working towards achievements makes the task a little more bearable). That said, the sp payout could do with evening out in a few places. Spectrail in particular gives a fairly paltry reward for your efforts. It doesn't necessarily need to be jacked up much, rather than there should be a more general standard for how much sp is given for each game.

I also like the chance of getting more intel or a chance at a stat occasionally, just to better include pets in overall game play.

I like the idea of being able to get a chance at a stat increase. That'd be a fun incentive to play more games without doing anything to the sp ratios.

RE: nerf quests. So what you're saying is that I should basically be punished for preferring quests as my main moneymaker because I feel motion sick to the point of vomiting while playing some of Subeta's games? Should someone else be punished for having joint pain or limited mobility, poor reaction time, etc. and being unable to play games for health reasons? Or for not being able to afford a machine that can run these games optimally?

Lowering quest payouts is going to lead to less people wanting to do quests, which is going to affect more than just quests. Quests are mind-numbingly boring as is, there's really no need to mess with them any further.

As for the games themselves... I feel like the "Flash" games were only added because the majority of the userbase migrated from Neopets and everyone was so used to making money through games. :/

RE: topic suggestion I wouldn't be bothered by it, but I also don't play games.

This could cause problems by giving another way to pump sP into the site if the rewards were raised too much, but FR has a clever solution for that - an overall total limit you can get from playing games. It's 75k for FR, but it could easily be around 1m for Subeta, across all games.

Increase payouts, make plays unlimited, but put a hard cap on the total you can earn from games. Have a "special gaming weekend" like we do for the WSQs, where the cap is 50% higher so you can play more and earn more sP.

[edit] Edited for typos because English is hard