Not sure how anyone else feels about this subject, but I figured since so many things are being addressed and changed around the site that this would be a great time to start discussing things like this.

Now, I get denials and such happen and that they're all part of the process, however, I don't always feel like all the issues are addressed in the first denial. Sometimes things will get denied for one thing, and it'll get fixed, and it'll get denied a second time for something completely different than the first reason, and something that literally wouldn't effect that at all. With CWs having a max of 10 denials, I feel like having multiple issues pointed out across a few denials is super stressful for the artist and the releaser. I feel like it would be much simpler for all parties if all the reasonings were given straight from the start.

Another issue, I feel, is consistency. I often hear about items getting denied for reasons that items (not old) that are approved and onsite have. I just personally feel that if you're going to deny something for a certain reasoning, then ALL items with that issue should be denied as well?

I understand the staff works hard, and I appreciate all the time and effort that they put into things, I just wanted to give some constructive criticism and throw out some things that I feel like should be looked at just a bit more/taken into consideration. But yeah, if anyone else wanted to throw in their two-cents as well, feel free! n_n

I 100% agree.

I had done a tribute to a commissioner and it was denied the first time for not having changes enough, which is totally okay. I fixed it (please note it was some minor fixes needed, so the whole overlay wasn't much affected by that) and then it was denied because the shading was flat.

I mean, if the shading was flat, why wasn't this addressed in the first denial? If each time we submit a CW it gets denied for a different reason, chances of reaching the 10 denials limit is a lot easier :/ It'd be a less of a burden in my opinion, if all issues were addressed in the first denial. This way, staff doesn't have to go through the same cw again and again, because of resubmission, and we artists don't have to keep fixing it every time.

I also agree about inconsistency. So many times I see soft shaded art being approved, but so many times others' cws were denied for being soft shaded.

I do know staff does a great job, and it must be super hard to find out what is wrong with each overlay, considering the amount of cws that are put in queue everyday. Totally understandable and I thank them for the hard work.

I just think that maybe us users giving some constructive feedback can help staff to become even better :)

If any of you has constructive criticism to give, please share too!

My halos were denied for having colored lineart on the item image after the first was approved, which had colored lineart, and now they look ugly imo bc of the black lineart. :(( There's also other halos with colored lineart on the CI, and tbh if this didn't happen a week before Luminaire I would have brought it up bc I figured it fell into the case-by-case colored lineart exception?? Maybe they weren't supposed to have it period and the first one might have slipped through without notice. I was just super sad to have to changed because they looked so beautiful before and I thought it would be fine. ; o ;

I also feel like it's weird because the overlay is allowed to have colored lineart, but the CI isn't? I feel like if the overlay can have it, the CI should be able to have it to. If the overlay can't have it, the CI can't have it. Etc. Etc. Consistency on that front might be good too, because now I think it looks weird to have the black lineart on my CIs but the overlays don't!

But yeah staff works super hard to get all of our items through, and I definitely appreciate all of the work put into approving and denying CWs!!!

I understand the concerns brought up too. Sometimes I myself have been puzzled if there have been new rules allowed on certain CWs. Like are colored lineart for CIs still okay? or is it a case-by-case.

And like a cw ive done in the past, im really not sure if its a case by case or an entirely new rule now? D:

In the past Ive submitted a CI with foreign words (aka Japanese kanji). The first one was on a sake bottle (either it wasnt recognizable or it was to small?) so it got accepted. 2nd one I submitted it was denied (it was the takoyaki word on a takoyaki box),saying it was not allowed?

And now I see that they are totally accepted on CIs and ALSO on overlays (markings on the forehead ( no offence bb!! i just wanted to show yours as an example pls dont kill me). Not to target any artists/submitters, but I wished there was a way to know if there are new okay rules in the submission process? Maybe like we can get pings from officialcw if things like these are okay now? ;-; itd be a great thing to know.

I also too understand the staff are working through a ton of submissions too and appreciate all the work with the queue!! Just bringing this up seeing that we have new feedback ongoing for the whole cw system thingy. Thanks for the board & for da ping!!

and im really sorry for bring up my own issue up although it was some time in the past but since we`re talking bout consistency D:

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nono bb it was an entire denial saying that foreign words are not allowed at all ;w; not because of copyright font issues etc but yea i cant really remember when that denial was cause it was for a hair i submitted some time ago ;w;hee

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Consistency wise I always make sure to have an example..either for the cw or the ci/depending on the sketchiness/potential things I'm afraid it would get denied for. I'm sure it's easier and less time-consuming for them if you find the example yourself like: ''similar (shading/lines) to : '' and then just leave it at the end. I know finding the best example might be tedious but it really helps with the accepting.

As for getting denied for one thing, getting it fixed, and then getting it denied for a hole other one.. I don't think they do it on purpose:

--If the first image was submitted- the first thing they would notice would be the line-art, it's too thin and has holes. But since the shading and line-art are in kind of a balance it makes the shading seem better then it actually is.

--Then getting the item lines fixed and submitting again they would notice the lack of proper shading, because the lines are darker now the soft shading (that looked kinda ok with the soft lines) is much more noticeable so it'll get denied.

--And in the third image both the item lines and shading are fixed and are in balance again.

((((Snowfall Shawl was the example item)))) !!and ofc keeping in mind the actual texture of the item (both of the subeta items having lines ok for fur, not all textures/items can have such a thin line-art as in these examples!!

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Do you still have both the item files? How many people are on the accepting team? Idk, you could have gotten a different person? :o

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Did the second copy get denied? õ_õ (but I can see the golden pearls 'popping out' a bit aka that was the first thing my eyes were drawn to when I looked at the wand) Is the item already accepted on site?

But again it's more of a balance issue. If something (even something small) gets changed your hole outlook of the thing shifts slightly.

Did you add the denied picture and the reasons to the notes box? (I really can't remember who it was but I was advised really early on when I was asking for advice to always include those details)

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You're right about that, even in the first picture the golden pearls near the moon stand out a bit too much. So it should have been mentioned in the first denial :/ But even then I feel like that's nitpicking.. .-. So the item has been denied once right now? (the first picture)

I'm sorry to hear that.. but the line-art color especially for the ci is a pretty touchy subject. For instance in both of these examples there is an object that has normal line-art, I think that's why they got accepted.. So having one part of the ci that has 'normal' lines will help immensely.

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Ooh so there's a third version of it that's in limbo right now (aka it was submitted and is waiting for approval).

Sadly I don't really have much experience with cw's yet (started in November). I've only gotten one denial and that was because the glowing of the item made the line art colored. (and it wasn't noticeable enough on some monitors that it was actually glowing so changing it a bit fixed it (also having the information and image or the denial))

--Ultimately checking other items and looking at what gets accepted what doesn't, the material of the item (fur,metal ect), giving examples and overall some information in the notes box they can go off of, and ofc when the item is finished opening it up in paint and just zooming-in to check if the line-art isn't too colored.

what's the item name? (that has the colored lines) I understand how frustrating it is.. if there were some examples given it might have been accepted..

I honestly don't know if adding examples in the comment box makes a difference, but I feel like we're getting off topic. This is supposed to be a feedback for staff to consider. If we keep talking about each item that was denied, why it was denied, why we don't agree, it will get super confusing. Let's leave it for feedback, and if there's a need to discuss denials in depth, there's another thread for that

The problem is entirely the inconsistency within the approval/denial system. Certain items get through without a hitch, others don't, even if they have the same "problem" or methods. My halo is just an example of the inconsistencies there! I just hope going forward we can have a more consistent system, and I think outlining rules like colored lineart more in depth helps with that. Right now, the colored line art rule is case by case, and I think that makes it a little more susceptible to inconsistencies (i.e. the items with both colored lineart and not colored lineart vs. all colored line art vs. no colored lineart, etc.). Hell, my halo's line art is very inconsistent, and I feel like it maybe should have been denied for that since I know plenty of other items have. I think there will always be inconsistencies in the system, because that's how life works. Going forward, I hope the process can be tweaked to allow more consistency among approvals. I'd even prefer slightly longer wait times for more consistency among items because they have to be examined longer, shown to more than one staff member, etc. :( In the end, I think it would help both staff and users with a more streamlined system.

Regardless of the problems, I know staff works hard with keeping up the quality of CWs, and I'm really thankful that they put so much effort into keeping up the system. Because with so many submissions and styles, it's not easy at all and it's certainly a lot of work! The CW system has improved a lot over the years, and I hope it continues to!!

It's not only like that with the Custom Wearables, afaik the same things can happen to you with the Pet Spotlight.