I've had some cases of different denials for same submissions.

i.e

• ci denied for shading first time and then second time it gets denied for not accurately representing the wearable.
• had denials for cis 1-2 times and then a denial for something overlay related on the 3rd submission attempt
• also had overlay denials that were addressed and then it was denied for something ci related

I can't remember the instances/items specifically because I've had a lot more submissions and none of them have reached 10 denials. That being said, I've also had denials where everything was addressed in the first denial and it was approved the second time around.

I get really anxious when i get about midway with denials, especially if it's a denial for something new that hasn't been changed during the entire process, and at this point it really worries me if it will go onsite, because even if you try a completely new approach, you still have the chance of denials. I understand the 10 denial limit - please don't think i'm arguing that point - I just find the whole process very stressful if there's different denials that I did not expect at that point, because the cw artists are also busy and sometimes I can't get a fixed file right away even for denials i might possibly expect (ie, continued shading issues that are being worked on).

ALL THAT being said, I really do appreciate the work of staff. I'm glad they do the approval/denial process to make sure quality work comes on site because I'm not an artist myself so I don't get the particular nuances of shading and whatnot. I know there are several submissions every week and having only one person (who also has a life) in charge of submissions and denials is a monumental amount of work for only one person to go over. Plus I know we are always like "queueueue pls hurrrrrrrrrrrrry" so our impatience surely isn't helpful. I think even one extra person helping with denials would take some of the pressure off and make denials/approvals a lot smoother, complete, and consistent!

As far as consistency, I have had things denied and then see other things go on site that have elements mine was denied for. Submitting examples can help in SOME cases but not all.

I know a lot of you guys submit things or are artists, do you have any constructive feedback on this?

I had a dress that was denied for lineart issues and not enough shading... I tried to fix it, it got denied again. I gave up.

I resubmitted it with the original (without the "fixes") again a few months later and it was accepted first time....

So I know exactly what you mean, they change their minds half way through which is inconsistent and causes problems :c

Had that issue once too! It was a background for valentine's. I had submitted it and it got denied for not having enough lineart. I knew at the time that one of the staff who did the approvals was traveling. After they came back, I submitted again without changing anything and it got approved xD

maybe that was the same thing for me too XD I was so confused.. I didn't think it should have been denied in the first place but oh well! it got accepted third time.

3rd time lucky :D

I feel lucky reading this. I don't remember ever getting an item denied more then one time. Usually for shading, line art shaky or to thin, or something with the ci.
I can understand the frustration with this tho. And agree would be nice if they were consistent and pointed out everything.

Whaaaat o_o if that doesn't scream no-consistency I don't know what does. My mind is completely blown.

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I'm just going to start this off by being 100% honest. I'm terrified to post here at the thought that this is going to get my items picked to the bone in queue in the future but, here we go T___T heh. The queue gives me so much anxiety and I'll be honest, most of the time when I see denials I'm fine, but when I get ones way out in left field I often spend the rest of the night in a complete panic.

This item icon of mine was originally denied for not being 'recolorable'. I've never ever heard of anyone getting this denial before, nor have I seen in the rules anywhere that an item image must be capable of being recolored a certain way. I'm actually still not even sure why this item isn't 'recolorable' and think the only reason I did manage to get it accepted is because I am not doing recolors of this item in the first place. I'd really love to see some more information in the rules about this, to clarify for my later items so I can actually make sure my items in the future follow the standard for allowance on this. :X

This item image was originally denied for "Just being a bust" and so I had to add the little dark black platform for it to sit on to get it accepted. I am still incredibly confused about that though because a lot of my own items are just busts? For example, items accepted right around the same time at this item, before AND after; And here is the original version of the pigtails for comparison; LINK I won't post anyone else's CWs so I don't get in trouble for targetting, but I'd really also like to see clarification on what counts as being acceptable for shape in terms of a an item image like this and what doesn't. :X

This item image was originally denies for "Being a concept or idea, and not a tangible item." Here is the original; LINK Aside from the other denial issued I fixed (such as lighting) all I did was change the size of the objects and now it's no longer a concept or idea, and now it's tangible? I'm so thoroughly confused as to what makes a little person sitting in front of an fire not a 'tangible item'. :X I literally fixed this in the desperate hope it would be accepted because when I file tickets I am more confused by the responses by staff than I was before filing the ticket T___T (in which case, may simply be my fault because I'm a huge dumb who needs simple instruction rather than complicated instruction)

I think there should be a checklist that lists everything a CW needs to have & everything it can't have with an additional little one for tributes. That way staff can just check off what's done & what's not done. It would show the submitter what needs to be fixed, remind the staff what points to check, and be constant.

On the matter of the CW approval queue but kind of not, really just a gripe on consistency:

It's always been a beef of mine that CWs are held to such a higher standard than normal Subeta-"official" art. Primarily denied for the sake of wigs needing to have a lock of hair, or shading too flat, or coloring, etc.

I've been on a hunt for a straight up black wig and I get shades of blue and purple in these "black" wigs, like excuse me, were this a CW, it would not be acceptable. I've discovered Subeta official items that are wigs that have no way or telling they're wigs through the item image. Or wears that have some kind of food item with no indication that they're wears or food or in cases, both.

I have plans of delving back into the CW market with a piercing set but the piercings are so small, I literally cannot shade them and I'm afraid that they'll be denied for lack of shading. What am I supposed to do? Shade two pixels on a wear that's literally five, six at the most pixels across? Who's going to tell when it's approved anyways??

I have never heard of an item being denied for recolorability. That is just... baffling to me. To clarify there is no rule stating that this is a necessity for any item.

This.

there are already some piercings onsite, so maybe use them as a reference point? It's hard to justify shading 5-7 pixels, and while I have noticed you can be a bit more lenient with shading on smaller items a subtle highlight or shading would be more likely approved than one without.

I was. c: I'm still a little concerned with the CW standards coming back to bite me in the butt.

Is that a 'this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard' THIS or a 'we need this now' THIS? XD

I like the idea of having a checklist so users can check on what they need to make sure they have, and so staff can make sure they've checked for everything the first time around. I mean, I understand that you might just miss something the first time and once you look again you're like "well, actually....." but anything to reduce that is okay in my book. I'm pretty sure that's happened to me on items before but I don't have an example (and I'm not an artist, so it wasn't up to me personally to make the fixes anyway).

I also generally include in the comment box if an item is a recolor. I don't know if that actually helps anything but I don't really know what I'm doing so I tend to throw it in there just in case. I'd be up for a checkbox for recolors or at least adding it into the notes for the text box like "hey include if this item is a recolor or not and what item it's a recolor of"

Other than that I don't have much to add tbh but there are some good ideas here and I'm all for changes that improve the entire CW system, especially with the upcoming Pawn Shop closure

I imagine it was a "WE NEED THIS RIGHT NOW PLEASE DEAR LORD" kind of This that meant.

I'm not involved with the creation of cws at all so my opinion is probably worthless but. I had no idea about the 10 denial limit, but if multiple people are reporting that their item is being denied for completely different reasons that weren't brought up the first time resubmit after resubmit, then that is a little ridiculous. I'd support any way to make it easier to outline all potential problems the first time. How it is now just sounds annoying.

That's what I was hoping it was :)

Checklists are great so something like that with everything you need to check/have and a little subsection for tributes would prob. help immensely. Making it however is prob. not as a easy as my paper ones XD

i am usually too lazy to participate in forum topics like this, BUT as an artist who gets a lot of denials... these are some of the denials that i get which some people might not know about, so i can share:

• i get a denial about A, and the next time it gets denied about Z (same things others have been describing) • i've also had instances where staff denied a certain type of animation on a CI, but they accepted the exact same thing a couple months prior - both drawn by me. similar to your bust issue • one time, i submitted an overlay with white streaks across the overlay by mistake, but it got accepted. • another time, an item got accepted but staff had meant to deny it, so they took the item away. • a couple times, i've gotten denials with reasons that did not make sense. one of which i remember was that the CI image was 'offensive.' turns out that staff checked that box off by mistake. • and another time, a hair got denied for not looking shaded like hair when it was the most detailed hair shading i had ever done... prior to that, a hair that i shaded looked completely like shiny plastic and it got accepted though i was almost certain it was going to get denied.

but staff is human and they make mistakes in the process which is understandable! there are so many CWs being submitted and i can only imagine how things can get hard to judge after looking at them for hours.

• with that being said, i can deal with these types of inconveniences, but it does stress me out a lot because i have to spend that much more time fixing an item, sometimes not knowing what i'm even supposed to fix.

• the main thing that really confuses me is the creation of new restrictions (or removal of restrictions) without anything being announced. for example - back in the day, every CW had to have black outer lineart, no exceptions. at some point, there were CWs that had glows, which in turn led to CWs that are glows without any lineart at all. another example like said - foreign languages written on overlays / CIs were not allowed a long time ago, but now it seems to be fine. lineart thickness is another mystery, as well as the line between cel shading and soft shading.

there isn't a comprehensive list of do's and don'ts, and nowadays there is a lot more leniency on what is acceptable as a CW. it would help the artists for there to be a list of what is OK and what is not - we can only learn about these denials by communicating with others who have gotten these specific denials, which is not very efficient (especially because i don't have time to go around asking what denials other artists have been getting xD )

i've also heard of quite a few instances from several different artists where their CW would get denied, and they would submit the exact same thing again and it would get accepted.

i've never heard of an item getting denied for not being recolorable, but it's probably because you didn't include the black "fabric" part in the overlay which could potentially change colors in a recolored version. sot his makes sense that they allowed it when you said there won't be more colors!

i think keith mentioned that the new CW revamp will include a checkbox for recolors when you submit c:

It was definitely a positive "This" ❤️

That does make sense, but only in the case of me not also recoloring the gemstones, because the jellyfish is the same color as the gemstones. It's basically, simply very objective based on the way you look at it by each different person. I could argue that in a recolor I might even change the CI entirely, etc. But the problem here is that there is no rules for this type of thing. For example "If your item contains two colors and only one color is present on the item image, you may not be allowed to submit recolors without additional edits to the item image or a new item image may be required to be submitted." etc. But also in this instance, why was it denied for recolorability and therefore it was assumed I was doing recolors for the item? Shouldn't that denial have happened when I submitted the recolor for "being too similar to the original"? TLDR; There is no information about recolorability accessible anywhere and that's what caused my confusion in the first place. I'd simply like to see information somewhere C:

i agree, a very odd denial based on assumptions that you would make a recolor.. ;o; i have gotten denials where the reason was more like a friendly 'heads up, the artwork is fine but if you do this then _________' so we are giving you a chance to change it in case you didn't realize (like for layering certain items that may not work with most items)

which i think was nice of staff to do, but they're a case by case basis. maybe they forgot to write that in the notes in your denial? xD

That is pretty much the circumstance that it happened, yeah. The heads up was nice, and I do appreciate it. But at the same time when it is something like this where I didn't need to make changes, it's inconvienient for me to then have to reupload, resupply all my information, and then also have to wait for people to pay all over based on an assumption.

IDK if it'd be possible but a small notice to be given out in the case of something like this instead of a full blown denial would be so much more useful :X